Clue to Anderson, the priorities changed Re CNN to break news

[nadinbrzezinski]

since now they have what they need.

Dime on the dollar a command decision was made to prioritize some things now instead of others...

And that command decision, not that Anderson gets it, had to go through the HOST GOVERNMENT and the UN.

Call it a sneaky but some of the red tape was the host government.

Nah what would I know?

[nadinbrzezinski]

1. Oh you mean a MANIFEST... and like to ground control?

That was a command decision.

[nadinbrzezinski]

2. Anderson you GOT security. all of you do...

Jeesus... this is making this a failure of government.

this is fox light... and if you guys cannot see the agenda... driven journalism.

[tabatha]

3. I am tired of all the negative stories on CNN.

In any situation, especially one so catastrophic, there are going to be problems.
However, I keep getting a glimpse in some of the bad reports, of some of the good things going on.
And, Ed Rendell was at the airport for 6 1/2 hours and was impressed with what was going on.

I think it is a good thing that many are leaving for other areas - away from the death and destruction.

[nadinbrzezinski]

4. This is agenda driven journalism

yesterday the woman that was rescued by the Mexican team, if you listened to CNN well she is dead I guess.

Well where Sanjay left the story, which was a Cuban run aide, station, she was prioritized to the IDF run facility... and had surgery for hip and femur fracture. Not that CNN would actually like follow that story to the end.

Now her survival is not assured, crush syndrome and all, but she somehow made it to the nonexistent Intensive Care facility :sarcasm:

[tabatha]

5. I just saw a better video on Yahoo that originated from Fox.

But it was on Shepard Smith's program, so I guess that explains it.

[nadinbrzezinski]

6. You are kidding News out of Fox?

Anyway the port is now open for business, was watching the minute update...

from BBC

Now the trickle has the risk of bcoming a secondary disaster. They need oh FUEL now

[nadinbrzezinski]

7. Oh my apologies to CNN, the IDF transfered her to the Bataan

Oy...

[11cents]

8. But even one of the Israeli doctors said ...

...that it was upsetting to know that after they operate, patients may or may not have a place to go where they can recover. How many beds does that intensive care facility have, compared to the need? These are real problems; it's not just CNN that's talking about them. Events in Haiti simply aren't yet following the scenario that we'd all like to see enacted. I've been impressed by the job the CNN team is doing, and it's been a long time since I could say that about anything on the network.

[nadinbrzezinski]

9. Unfortunately that is not someting the firsts need personnel

deals with... but the recovery phase.

This is as if a nuke went off in a city...

And I am not impressed. Agenda driven journalism never impresses me. They are dealing with pushing an agenda, just less obvious than FOX.

The agenda is Government, no government can do anything right. Question, does anybody really think private companies could do this better? For a few, for the right price, perhaps.

The after action is going to be fascinating... and there are already a few lessons I can gleam.

1.- Military Aircraft that can be refueled and are easier to load and unload than civilian planes in the first phase.

2.- All coming to the zone need to turn in a manifest for prioritization on the ground

3.- Cell networks are far more resilient than traditional systems. Mexico city took a week to bring the phone system back. Here it took two days.

Oh and don't get me wrong, her prospects are poor... physical therapy and all that, leave the initial care. But anybody really believes this happened in LA some of these issues would not be present?

[11cents]

11. You seem to agree that the reported problems are actually occurring ...

...but think that reporting them is "agenda driven." The BBC is reporting the same problems -- in fact, I think its reports are generally harsher -- does it have the same agenda? So is The Guardian, etc. In general, the tenor of reporting has been the same across news agencies. You happen to have picked out an individual case where the BBC followed one individual to a positive (for now) outcome and CNN didn't, but that's just an isolated instance. Concentrating on that case actually distorts the reality of the situation, which isn't positive for most. One woman got good care; most don't. That's a fact. If stupid, lazy Fox viewers have yet more stupid opinions about government drilled into their heads on this account, it's not the fault of reporters. In order to learn from this event, we can't have facts hidden because they're politically inconvenient.

[nadinbrzezinski]

13. I have listened to the BBC and read the Mexican Media, as well as Canadian

yes people are reporting FACTS but CNN is now agenda driven. It is the tone used... truly.

I have been trolling media from everywhere to find out what is going on.

And I am not the one going for politics. I get it why some of these issues are occurring... and the big huge clue is for people to and look at a satellite picture of Port au Prince.

Perhaps it is because having actually done this work I don't expect the perfection the reporters and it seem people here expect. ALL disasters have their issues, and this is the MOST COMPLEX response I have ever seen in my life.

On and if you think I am blind to the problems you are wrong... but the critical problem has not been getting things in, but getting things to move from the airport to distribution centers... now they have more of that capacity, and the port is now open for business, and things ARE getting better day to day... not as fast as ideally I would like to see, but I get it why they are not.

Oh and let add, actual humanitarian distribution is the UN's responsibility.

[buzzard]

10. I sense his frustration comes from rescue teams actually rescuing people only to have them succumb

from lack of care afterwards. If this is the case then why not concentrate all resources on those most likely to survive long term because if they don't then the next wave of deaths would have been more preventable had resources not been spent on those with little hope of long term survival. I am in no way advocating that this is what should be done but I have been thinking about this all week it is an untenable situation.

[nadinbrzezinski]

12. That's triage my friend

and you can bet that this is being done after these patients arrive at hospital, clinics and other places where somebody has to make that call.

It is never for the faint of heart, but in a disaster somebody gets to play god and decides who lives and dies.

His frustration is also not knowing this, which Gupta should, and in Canada and the US when you call 9.11 you get an ambulance wiht a two man crew and a fire truck with four more like oh in five to ten minutes. Places like this, specifically Port au Prince, it took hours for one rig to show up, if at all, before the quake.

The other thing is... if this happened in the LA Basin (stronger quake, same damage) he'd be voicing the same frustration, even if we are like connected to a continent and there is a plan. 240,000 dead, and counting... this would overwhelm even the United States...

Even with all the Search and Rescue teams the US has, the US would still need help and see this kind of a secondary disaster. On the bright side, no outbreak of Malaria.

The only good thing is that we would have access to the National Disaster Hospital Network, but I am willing to bet even that would be overwhelmed.

[buzzard]

14. I realize that this is triage but what is the point in rescue if no care is available after.

[nadinbrzezinski]

15. They are giving care, some minimal, some good

the problem is that in this particular case this woman will have a hell of a time, because the kinds of facilities we have in the US and Canada do not exist, and did not exist, in port au prince.

I get your point, but crews cannot really tell just how badly injured a person is. They may be very lucky, and be trapped in a void where they walk out, or have major injuries. You really don't know. So if they are breathing, and have a pulse, they are taken to the aid centers. If they have no pulse... due to lack of resources... well that's it. I am almost sure that in some places they have an automatic Do Not Resuscitate order because they don't have the resources. The Bataan, in this case, they do. So they may try CPR.

[buzzard]

16. It took me a bit I wasn't even thinking of that case but I understand what you are saying. I am not

a religious person but I admit I have been close to praying to some god, just can't do it so I donate to the point I can feel it. (MSF)

[nadinbrzezinski]

17. We gave as much as we could afford

And I used to believe in a god, but after a few of these shindiqs and having had to do triage in the field... I just don't.

It is ironic, Rescue personnel either become very religious, or pretty much agnostic.

[buzzard]

18. Funny you say that my best friend is a trauma surgeon and once was a Christian, not anymore I

wonder why, he changed after being in Afghanistan. Anyway best luck to all serving humanity.

[nadinbrzezinski]

19. I will share one of them

and I bet something similar happened, there is always one that tests you... hard.

As a young EMT I was the first on a train wreck. Just out of Triage training.

I had to triage a two year old as dead... some of her brain was out, her pupils were fixed and dilated, she was still sort of breathing (what we call Kheyne Stockes) she was dead, but her body did not know it yet, I red tagged her. Her uncle, a sixty something, I triage as urgent... When I came back to check on after having adjusted her airway and doing more triage, she'd stop breathing. I cut the card to black.

I closed her eyes... and after the cavalry arrived, I covered her with an extra sheet.

Things like that change you and test your faith.

On the other hand, one of my compadres WAS a seminarian. He gave that kid last rites before the meat wagon took her away.