If the right to healthcare is not in the US constitution

[malaise]

where exactly can I find the CIA in that document?

[midnight]

1. Sounds interesting. Care to elaborate?

[malaise]

5. I was reading Ron Paul's comments on the CIA

http://rawstory.com/2010/01/ron-paul-cia/
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US House Rep. Ron Paul says the CIA has has in effect carried out a "coup" against the US government, and the intelligence agency needs to be "taken out."

There's been a coup, have you heard? It's the CIA coup. The CIA runs everything, they run the military. They're the ones who are over there lobbing missiles and bombs on countries. ... And of course the CIA is every bit as secretive as the Federal Reserve. ... And yet think of the harm they have done since they were established World War II. They are a government unto themselves. They're in businesses, in drug businesses, they take out dictators ... We need to take out the CIA.

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So where exactly in the Constitution do I find the power for the CIA? In which article?

[dkf]

2. We have a right to a CIA?

Who knew?

[madokie]

3. Pretty sad state of affairs we have here

We've become exactly opposite of what the people who founded our democracy originally founded.

[malaise]

6. 100% correct

and that's my only point here. Illegal bodies - the CIA, the Treasury and the bankers - have seized power from all three branches of government. The three branches are puppets for the corporations and their goons.

It's a fugging mess.

[ShortnFiery]

4. No, in fact I noted in one thread yesterday, someone encouraging us peasants to

start "Health Savings Accounts."

Now, BASIC Check-ups for good health is a FOR PROFIT ENTERPRISE.

Crony Capitalism at it's most vile is where neither basic education nor basic health is something the unwashed masses do not have "a right to."

You have to SAVE MONEY to stay healthy or get a basic education. I hate that. :puke:

[MercutioATC]

7. It's very simple.

The CIA is not specifically addressed in the Constitution. Neither is access to health care.

Neither is The National Endowment for the Arts....or federal coverage for pet psychiatry.


We're free to have any of these things...or not, but the Constitution does not specifically address them.

[kevinbgoode]

13. Neither is marriage,

but it is considered part of the "pursuit of happiness." And if good health care isn't part of promoting the general welfare and the pursuit of happiness, why would marriage for heterosexuals only be constitutional?

[hobbit709]

8. I consider it a part of the preamble

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

The part about promoting the general Welfare should cover healthcare.

[MercutioATC]

10. That's your opinion. Others differ.

I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you, but that argument could be used to include nearly anything.

[KharmaTrain]

9. Life, Liberty & Pursuit Of Happiness...

About a year ago, I had a debate with a wingnut "friend" or should I say acquaintance on this very topic. He pulled that line on me and I mentioned that passage from the Declaration of Independence. The fact that this person had no clue where it came from (and I wasn't going to help him with that) was telling enough, but then he went a "crickets".

About the CIA...and I know this is a stretch, but this supposedly falls under the "common defense"...the concept that you need spies and a secret police to ensure democracy. Again, a stretch, but wanna bet that's how someone would justify it.

It's a shame when such a basic need as one's health is looked on as a profit center...speaks volumes of how screwed up this country's values and priorities are.

:hi:

[Vinca]

12. Apparently we will need to revisit the document and edit out "life."

[Bitwit1234]

11. Well how about cutting taxes for big business

that's not there. Social security, medicare. All of them aren't in the constitution but we have them.AND MOST OF ALL THE BANK CEO'S BONUS.

[Freddie Stubbs]

14. No one is claiming that the CIA has the right to exist

[stray cat]

15. Facts are important - why do you think free health care is in the constitution?

[Selatius]

16. They also didn't want 700+ military outposts around the world manned by US soldiers either.

They would call that an empire, and they fought another empire in their day that had military garrisons all over the world, too.

[malaise]

17. It has all gone horribly wrong

What a mess