WaPo Breaking: Pelosi rejects Senate HC bill - says votes not there.

[ddeclue]

got it in email. www.washingtonpost.com

[thereismore]

1. Things are happening fast. I don't blame the house, but we'll all pay for the spineless "dems"

in the Senate.

[still_one]

2. There will be no HCR good or bad for decades /nt

[Donnachaidh]

3. baloney.

They are rejecting the POS insurance giveaway. That's a GOOD thing.

[still_one]

4. My point was NOT criticizing the House, but that there would not be ANY HCR

Especially in light of todays Supreme Court Decision

[zipplewrath]

6. Actually

I suspect there will be. Probably in 5 - 7 years, and the GOP will probably pass it, in response to the demands of the US based international corporations wanting to unload their direct healthcare responsibility to the general tax payer, just as their international competition already does.

[mzmolly]

8. Meanwhile if you don't have health insurance...

what's 5-7 years if you're terminally ill, huh?

[zipplewrath]

9. non sequitur

The statement to which I was responding was that it was not going to pass "for decades". 5-7 years in no way qualifies as "decades".

As to your strawman, you're presuming that the current Health Insurance Industry Protection Act would have changed the outcome for a person such as you describe. Considering that many of the provisions that such a person would have needed didn't even kick in for 4 years or so, apparently they are screwed either way.

[mzmolly]

11. Actually some provisions would have taken effect

immediately.

[zipplewrath]

12. Yes, just not the critical ones

Much of the taxation aspects were immediate. Much of the subsidy was going to wait along time. Anyone uninsured and with a fatal disease was looking at a long time before a significant number of the features would kick in.

[eridani]

13. If you have insurance, then you have the opportunity for them to deny your claims n/t

[still_one]

10. I don't think so, they won't change anything /nt

[Better Today]

5. Excellent! Now we see what our dems are really made of.

If they drop it, it'll be so easy to drop them.

If they learn to be a majority and to value their constituents, they'll clean up on 2012.

I really worry though that their loyalties to corps got a shitload stronger today after the USSC ruling.

[mzmolly]

7. Waterloo.....

Woo hoo! :sarcasm:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gu1q17rUkVU

[Selatius]

14. Obama and Rahm and the Senate leadership miscalculated the response from liberals in the House.

There were rumblings among the House liberals about not supporting this bill. It may have been real threats instead of idle ones. This was a major strategic error.