Call it what it is KO... FASCISM

[nadinbrzezinski]

[nadinbrzezinski]

1. Thank you, for doing that

now what do we do? I don't know

[dixiegrrrrl]

2. I want a transcipt of his comment.

for posterity.
:-( :-(

[nadinbrzezinski]

3. And the consitution because that is gone too

[deminks]

11. I want a copy for my grandchildren. I can teach them about freedom

I can still teach them. I am keeping a diary. I will pass that to them. I am so sorry this country has been ruined for them. I will teach them about this day.

[dem629]

4. Does GE and MSFT approve his content?

[nadinbrzezinski]

7. He knows something we don't. When he said that he expects to be off the air

[dem629]

12. He said that tonight? I don't watch him anymore.

I'm guessing he's worked himself (and his viewers) into a knot of anxiety over the SCOTUS ruling, right?

[nadinbrzezinski]

13. He is correct actually

The mask if off

[dem629]

16. It could be a ruse, though.

He's paid by fascists, right?

And he's on their cable station.

Maybe they told him to say that. Who can know?

[nadinbrzezinski]

18. You'll see

read on German history, 1933-6 and the death of their media

[dem629]

22. You're starting to sound like some of those Glen Beck youtube rants I've seen.

[nadinbrzezinski]

25. I base my conclusions on history

I know it is pesky... but the US has been moving in this direction for a while

Erzats capitalism, erzats democracy... it seems all modern nations go through this... sooner or later.

And I am not kidding... do read a little into that history. The parallels are just astounding... and have been for a while... of course there are differences, but that is because dictablandas are not as obvious as open fascism that people in the US think off.

[dem629]

29. So all the evidence is there

but the dictablandas are doing it in secret? So they don't want you to know? How did you come across their secret and why are they allowing you to remain alive and posting it on the Internet?

Are you ghost-writing Dan Brown's next thriller?

Sorry. I'm not into conspiracy theories.

[nadinbrzezinski]

35. I lived under one

And guess what? So will you.

Enjoy the ride. And no I am not writing Dan Brown's next piece of crap. Nor is this a conspiracy theory.

I suggest, highly, you go and do some serious readying into history.

[dem629]

42. Sorry.

I'm not scared. (I know, I know...I should be, right?)

I studied modern German history in college for one semester. I found it interesting and did quite a bit of independent reading beyond that when the class ended. If you think we're anything like Germany in that period, you have done some serious misreading of history or you've had professors who have done you a disservice. Look into getting a refund.

[nadinbrzezinski]

45. actually I mentioned Dictablanda for a reason, which Germany was not

You'll see. Erzats democracy is always so much damn fun.

[dem629]

47. You just learned a new word, didn't you?

It's ersatz.

If you're going to discover new words to try to impress people on the Internet, at least spell them correctly.

I'm not normally a spelling Nazi (Oh, there's a Germany reference!) but since you've used the word three times so far and it's clearly new to you, I thought I'd try to help.

PS - I'm still not scared. Lighten up.

[nadinbrzezinski]

50. So spelling flame, cute.

I know what the word means. I also know what dictablanda is. You, perhaps, will get it when the nightmare is over.

And I am not fucking kidding. Best case they do what the Democrats say they will do and Roberts will not intervene. Worst case... well you'll see... and it is not fun.

But perhaps it is time for the US population to learn that lesson...

[reggie the dog]

56. seeing as it is now legal for corporations to bribe politicians

with as much money as they want, this seems to be a merger of state and business. It is fascism whether it is the govt. which controls the businesses or the businesses that control the government.

[MadMaddie]

20. All Americans should be in a knot!

Corporations are considered "persons" now compare the corporate person and $$ against you and me and our $$ in the political process: Individuals single citizens lose, the Unions lose...Democracy loses. The Founding fathers were very weary of this.......for good reason.

[dem629]

24. I like to enjoy life.

I'm interested, but I don't let politics affect my emotions. I used to, but I learned that it accomplishes nothing.

But back to the issue:

1. What part of the First Amendment gives the government the power to restrict any speech?

2. Should corporations be exempt from other freedoms and restrictions in law? If so, which ones?

[nadinbrzezinski]

26. Are corporations people?

[dem629]

30. No.

But are they subject to the same laws we live under?

Yes.

Why shouldn't they be? What other freedoms/restrictions do you want to exclude them from?

[nadinbrzezinski]

33. Since they ARE NOT peole I suggest you read

some more on the subject...

Because Corporations are not subject to the same laws individuals are subject to. In fact, you cannot charge a corporation with murder... just a dramatic example.

[dem629]

38. Whether they are "people" is irrelevant.

See here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=7538097&mesg_id=7538841

[nadinbrzezinski]

40. It is not... but soon, perhaps you will get it

or perhaps you will go through this coming nightmare and not wake up ever.

[dem629]

43. Tell me how it's relevant, in terms of the

words used by the Founders, as explained in that link. Thx

[nadinbrzezinski]

46. You'll see, there is nothing I can explaint to the wishfully

blind.

[dem629]

48. Run for your lives, everybody!

Or stop being "wishfully" blind!

Everybody remember to remain nervous.

[nadinbrzezinski]

51. I have seen this movie for real

you haven't.

So you have no clue what you make fun off. Don't worry, others have... have fun.

For the record, if I could... I would.

[spanone]

54. so you believe the first amendment applies to things.

[MadMaddie]

28. Corporations had avenues to spend their money but those

avenues were monitored. Corporations are "Not" people, they are not individual they don't have a heart beat.

Unfettered and unrestricted financing will ensure that corporations can buy Congress, they can buy your local tax assesor. They will shut down our free speech by crushing our avenues to express ourselves.

Your number 2 point implies that corporations are people.


Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

Where in the first Amendment does it mention corporations? The amendment does mention "People". Corporations are entities not people.

[dem629]

32. They don't have to be considered people.

I'm assuming (maybe incorrectly) that you do not want them to be exempt from other laws, right? If I'm wrong, tell me which ones. What freedoms should they have that you and I don't?

Oh, and by the way, your definition of a person (having a heartbeat) wouldn't fly with many people on here. Careful now.

[dem629]

37. By the way...

the word "people" is not in the same clause as free speech.

Since you pointed out the word, I'm just telling you that there's probably a reason the Founders used it in the last clause, but not in the other. Perhaps they WERE talking about organizations (not people) as they did in using the word "press." The press isn't people, is it?

No.

So this entire issue has nothing to do with whether corporations are people. It has to do with whether the Constitution grants the government the power to restrict speech of any kind.

It doesn't.

[nadinbrzezinski]

39. Is that you Chief Justice?

[dem629]

44. Oh, you got me. Yes. I am the Chief Justice of the SCOTUS.

:eyes:

Fits right in with your conspiracy theory. I, John Roberts, am watching you on the Internets!

[dixiegrrrrl]

52. Dam Abrams of MSNBC is the son of the Floyd Abrams who just "won" the Case.

Don't know how much that would play into any fallout from the comment.

[nadinbrzezinski]

53. Good question

but some of his words were damn scary... for those tuned to history... not that we needed it to get it either.

[w8liftinglady]

5. did he call it fascism?

[nadinbrzezinski]

8. Yes

[w8liftinglady]

9. I will gladly scrub his toilet for that...you go,KO!

[baldguy]

6. The Dred Scott decision said that African Americans weren't citizens of America.

Today's decision says that mere humans are not American citizens.

[nadinbrzezinski]

10. And the problem is that most former citizens will accept that

I mean why not just cancel elections? Such a bother anyway.

[Generator]

23. I just decided to read about that

It's horrifying to read it in print. Dred Scott was his name. He was a person. He was an American. He was considered property. He tried for his own freedom with the supreme court. And lost.

So comparing it to that case-the only way to get our freedom from the corporations is a civil war.

[nadinbrzezinski]

27. I have said that in some ways I expect one in the past

there are forces in motion... this just added to that.

[AlinPA]

14. After watching KO, it looks like democracy is finished in America. There will

be no way to stop the republicans with corporations funding every election for them. His last words were "Who is going to stop them?" Sounds like fascism. He also suggested they would put Palin in as their president.

Read the book "It Can't Happen Here" by Sinclair Lewis.

[nadinbrzezinski]

17. I have, and it has...

and we might want to hunker down at this point... I am sorry to say this, but now we go to survival mode for memory's sake.

[TTUBatfan2008]

41. It's not just the Rethuglicans...

It's also the Democrats. Both of them have been implementing very corporate-friendly, anti-civil rights policies over the last 10 decades or so. For every good policy they implement, there are 10 of them that cancel it out and do no good for the people of this country. Bottom line is we are being marched towards totalitarian rule, likely with a one world government where a small number of elites control everything and anyone who speaks out will be brutally silenced in the same way that Hitler would silence people.

[MadMaddie]

15. Damn straight!

It is Facism!

The Republicans are too stupid to realize what it really means.

[nadinbrzezinski]

21. +1

[RoccoR5955]

19. Welcome to the Corporate Fascist States of America

Thank you Supremes' Court!
:sarcasm:

[Odin2005]

31. You Go KO!!!

[1awake]

34. In the end,

The terms "Democrat" and Republican" will be meaningless... wait a minute....

[spanone]

36. plain & simple....

[deminks]

49. K&R

[skorpo]

55. K & R