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veganlush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-22-10 10:58 AM
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Maybe we should all join the teabaggers! (rant warning)
Edited on Fri Jan-22-10 10:59 AM by veganlush
I'm beginning to think that the best way to read the future is to just lend credence to the craziest things being spouted and go from there.

It turns out the the teabaggers weren't far off the mark when they claimed that the Obama era would usher in Fascism.

Of course, because the teabaggers are ignorant of the facts of Political science, confused about the basics of ideology, they also warned of every other "ism" as if they were completely compatible and interchangeable and not in completely different areas of the political spectrum.

Nonetheless, because of the SCOTUS ruling, real Fascism, the unholy marriage of corporations and government, if nothing is done about it, is officially upon us.

I can't see anything being done about, certainly not quick enough, in the current climate where petrified Democrats are completely under the thumb of the REAL leaders, the Repugnants.

Who could have predicted that winning the White House and big majorities in both houses of congress would leave us completely powerless against the Repugnants.

Even more sad, some are talking as though there is some hope that they, the REAL winners of the '08 contest, are going to help us in the aftermath of the SCOTUS ruling. The Repugnants love this ruling and it's ramifications for 2010, 2012 and beyond. How is anybody seeing this otherwise? Are you kidding?

First SCOTUS gave us Bush, and by extension, 9/11 the iraq war, etc, etc, now they have come back to finish the transition into Fascism once and for all.

I received a "tweet" yesterday from the White House that said they would take the matter up immediately with "bi-partisan leaders". Whew! I feel better already!

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NightWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-22-10 11:02 AM
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1. Forget tip toeing toward the abyss, let's make it a sprint
I'll be too old to fight in 20 years, so let's get Palin in office now (watch it happen, the corpos love an incapacitated puppet they can work from above the stage).

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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-22-10 11:07 AM
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3. They don't need the 'image' of a Palin anymore. They can go ahead and put in Jeb Bush.
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Wapsie B Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-22-10 11:05 AM
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2. Good god, why even pretend anymore?
"they would take the matter up immediately with "bi-partisan leaders".

Where is the party of opposition here?
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-22-10 11:13 AM
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4. If you go to a Teabagger meeting and try to set them straight, they will lynch you.
They will seriously take you out back, tie you to a truck, and drag you around until you are dead.

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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-22-10 11:15 AM
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5. It would be a strong coalition, wouldn't it?
:-)
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-22-10 11:15 AM
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6. Knock yourself out. I'll still be working to get good
people elected to office. But you go right ahead.
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veganlush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-22-10 11:26 AM
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7. Now that corporations are free to spend unlimited amounts
..how would you go about helping to elect good people?
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-22-10 11:29 AM
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8. As I have always done...one person at a time and by
being involved in the Democratic Party and helping to select and endorse candidates. You may remember Al Franken. It was the work of many like me who got him nominated, endorsed, and elected here in Minnesota.

You do remember that, right?
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veganlush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-22-10 11:38 AM
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10. and you're saying that nothing is going to change...
...now that corporations can spend unlimited amounts on trashing your candidate and promoting yours? The SCOTUS decision made the Orwellian claim that Corporation are people and money is speech. Who do you think is gonna have more "speech" in all elections from here on out?
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-22-10 11:30 AM
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9. Ever hear the theory re why people who saw UFOs get visits from 'men in black'?
Am thinkin the whole corporate created/corporate sponsored teabag snit fit was for the same purpose.

A very potent American symbol and rallying point was co-opted to twits to use in a demeaning national snit-fit, rendering that potent symbol tainted and impotent.
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tblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-22-10 11:39 AM
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11. Call us "D-baggers"
I am so much in agreement with your post, I could just about cry. Whether by design, incompetence, moral timidity, naïveté, or an unintentional backlash, we've ended up here, with a fascist coup of our democratic process and our elected government -- and I'm talking about BEFORE we elected Obama.

This week especially, I am glad Obama is president, because things could always be much worse, esp. under any (R) President. But it is devastating to realize that even with the best and brightest the country had to offer in the WH, and majorities in both houses, the people are still rendered powerless. The tidal wave of corporate ownership of elected officials has already drowned out our voices, and it's only a matter if time till it finishes us off.

Obama's finally, finally shaking up his economic team hopefully indicates he is responding to some of our despair. Why it took so long, I'm not sure I want to know. But the barn door -- what was left of it -- has been obliterated.

Anyway, let's talk about the teabaggers. If we mount a bold, vigorous populist movement, too, there may be some way we can leverage their passion.
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veganlush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-22-10 11:49 AM
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12. thank you yes I too am glad that Obama is
..President (even if, in my frustration I don't sound like it) can you imagine how it would be if McCain was at the helm? When I went canvassing for Obama during the campaign, some friends and family accussed me of being too caught up in flowery speeches but it was never that way. I knew then that it would be a long-shot that ANYONE could get us out of the mess Bush made by giving EVERYTHING to the already-rich. I supported Obama because he represented a CHANCE that McCain-the-economy-is-sound-we-need-tax-cuts-for-the-rich could not. I am still hopeful that we can steer out of this but I wonder how many of us really appreciate just how difficult it will be now that SCOTUS has struck another devastating blow to democracy.
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veganlush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-22-10 12:33 PM
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13. of course I'm being faceious, no one in their right mind..
Edited on Fri Jan-22-10 12:37 PM by veganlush
...would join the teabaggers. In my frustration, I am pointing out the irony: the teabaggers warned of democracy's pending doom at the hands of some "ism" that the election of Obama would usher in.

The irony is that, if nothing is done about it, the SCOTUS decision WILL bring fascism on Obama's watch, but not because of something HE did, but because of what he perhaps WON'T do, which is to stand up to the opposition party who applauds this decision for obvious reasons.

I've never wanted to be wrong this bad before, but it's hard to be hopeful when I hear them talking about a bi-partisan solution.....
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tblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-22-10 02:32 PM
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14. I know what you mean.
I am not, and never was, convinced that Obama is not part of the establishment. If he wasn't before, he sure seems like it now. It would clearly be worse under McC or the Ice Witch, but Obama has not been anywhere near the leader we need, IMHO. (Yes, he's done some good, pulled us back from the brink -- that's his job.) I never expected our problems to be fixed in a year or three or four, but I was hoping for an abrupt change to the right direction, and relentless, conspicuous advocacy for we the people at every step along the way. Whether anyone else even could do that may be debatable, but a strong, forceful, outspoken leader fighting for the people against powerful interests, Obama is not. For whatever reason, whether because he can't or because he won't or because he's doing it in ways we will soon will see, he appears to me to have no taste for disturbing the apple cart. And it's not as if we don't really, really need him to, like a year ago.

Anyway, I have no problem opening dialog with almost anyone who in good faith wants systemic changes for this country. Most teabaggers at least appear to be racist and not just a little uninformed and misguided, but there may be a few who are truly good at heart and are just scared like we are. If we were able to create a cross-party or non-partisan movement, and have a Howard Dean or even a Ross Perot type of pragmatic, plainspoken but visionary, uncompromising "fight the power" leader (what many thought Obama was), I think we could actually change this country. As long as we stay divided along party lines and belittling one another, it will just be the same pro-gov't intervention (us) vs pro-corporate (them) camps that leave us divided and fighting each other for crumbs. I went to my local townhall this summer, and the teabaggers indeed seemed radically racist and carried just foul picket signs. But after I came home, I wondered if I hadn't missed an opportunity to just talk to one or two to see if we shared any common ground. Not against Obama, but against "the system." I don't know. Maybe I am dreaming. Maybe we should go on hating each other, it's working out so well (not!). But if we were to take on the big fight in a group so broadbased it could not be marginalized, I think it would scare the bejeebus out of Washington and they might just have to listen to us. Until then, we remain just "the fringe left" and no one in Washington but a handful of Senators and House members gives a damn about us.

Please let me know your thoughts. I am drowning in despair and searching for hope anywhere I can find it.

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veganlush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-23-10 05:39 PM
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17. The teabaggers aren't ALL right-wingers..
...at least not pure ones, as evidenced by the fact that some are calling for punishment of wall street. True Repugnants wouldn't do that so I think there is some hope that we'll get some of these people to come to the light. And I haven't given up on Obama, not yet. Hang in there, it's gonna get interesting for sure. Stay tuned.
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-22-10 02:34 PM
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15. Ya know
Most of the Jacobins ended up with their heads in baskets. I'm just sayin'.
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veganlush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-22-10 05:16 PM
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16. hadn't heard of them before....
...just looked it up online...thanks for the warning! I'll stick with the progressives~
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