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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-22-10 12:36 PM
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Can President Obama recover from this first year?
Although he and the Democrats have accomplished a lot, very few people know about it.

At the present time, the majority of the Party is disillusioned and demoralized.

Can he recover from the appointments of Geithner and Summers? Those appointments have done a lot of damage to his credibility. Every day that they are still on the job is another day more people lose confidence that the President is on their side.

Can he recover from a whole year spent on healthcare reform which appears to be dead in the water? Can he recover from the time lost by letting the big banks and Wall Street regain their footing and now, are more stronger than ever? Will he be able to get thru any regulations on these people?

Can he recover from his Nobel Peace Prize speech on the necessity of war and his "surge" in Afghanistan and the expanding of military strikes into Pakistan and Yemen?

Will he be able to recover his base and those that supported him in 2008? Or will he be a one-term President?

Or perhaps the polls show that he has not "lost" anything?
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ThomWV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-22-10 12:40 PM
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1. My doubts grow every day
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peace frog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-22-10 01:32 PM
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14. Agreed
because he is not trying to 'recover' from it. This year 2010 will be more of the same, and the next and the next. Obama looks more like a 'one term wonder' every day.
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LeftinOH Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-22-10 12:40 PM
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2. Reagan did (and how!). He started with a tanking economy, which lasted
for a couple more years (IIRC). Recovering from an assassination attempt just 3 months into his first term probably helped, also.
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Johonny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-22-10 01:09 PM
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11. and that Clinton guy
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T Wolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-22-10 12:41 PM
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3. The better question is - DOES Obama want to recover from this first year. He actually
has been very successful in accelerating the wars, continuing the Bush "national security" obscenities, funneling trillions to the banksters and Wall Street, etc.

There have been a few tiny bones thrown to libs in an attempt to placate us, but no real action or leadership on important issues.

He may or not be concerned with his ratings and poll popularity, but policy-wise, it's been "mission accomplished" for him and the party.
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Nite Owl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-22-10 12:46 PM
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4. It's so sad
that that seems all too true. I want to be wrong but doesn't seem to be going that way.
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umyeah Donating Member (39 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-22-10 12:48 PM
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5. Can you...
Edited on Fri Jan-22-10 12:53 PM by umyeah
....please list what they have accomplished? He sat a SC justice. That's about what i've come up with. (shrugs)
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-22-10 01:00 PM
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6. Here's a few you may not have heard about?
The Stimulus Plan as Multiple Progressive Achievements: But that's was one problem with the stimulus bill-- it was so large that it's treated as one thing, instead of a whole array of legislative achievements pulled together to also help save the economy from depression and collapse. So let's step back and pull the recovery plan apart into it's multiple progressive achievements. The list of individual programs may seem long, but when you are talking about billions of dollars for each one handed out over a relatively short period, they are worth remembering for their individual progressive achievement and for the billions committed, especially for many programs starved for funds for decades. I'll summarize some of these below, but you can see more details in Progressive States' Implementing the Recovery Plan.

* Stimulus Saving the Economy: Before going into all the individual programs, let's talk about the overall achievement of the recovery plan in stabilizing the economy. Most progressives will agree it should have been bigger, but key economists agree it was critical to staving off an economic collapse; as Paul Krugman wrote, without the stimulus plan, "we would have had a full Great Depression experience...Deficits, in other words, saved the world." Including not only direct jobs created but the ripples of jobs created through indirect stimulus, the Economic Policy Institute confirms the stimulus' was responsible for creating or saving from 1.1 to 1.5 million jobs since its passage. A large part of this effect was in preventing catastrophic layoffs of teachers, nurses and other state and local employees by offsetting revenue losses at the state and local level. While there seems to be some kind of sexist media meme that only highway jobs, presumably manned by manly men, count as "real jobs", the stimulus however has kept hundreds of thousands of teachers and nurses and child care workers on the job-- one of the most important anti-recession government employment programs of the last half-century.

* Education Funding: This emphasizes that along with being a major health care bill, the stimulus was one of the largest federal education bills in history. It devoted $139.24 billion to education funding over a couple of years, including:

o State Fiscal Stabilization Fund of $53.6 billion to help state and local governments avert budget cuts
o $39.5 billion in educational block grants allocated by student and general population measures
o $5 billion for incentive grants and other purposes.
o $24.8 billion for School Construction Bonds
o $11.3 billion for special education
o $10 billion for Local Educational Agencies
o $3 billion for School Improvement Grants.
o Higher education funding of approximately $30 billion was distributed directly to students and their families, but an estimated $15 billion for scientific research flowed partly to universities.

* Clean Energy and Transportation Investments: Estimates on potential green energy investments in the recovery package, including upgrading our transportation infrastructure, range from $70.6 billion to $113.5 billion depending on what is included, but the bottom-line is that this package is the largest investment in energy independence in American history. These included:

o Over $14 billion for various State Energy Conservation Programs, including $5 billion for the chronically underfunded Weatherization Assistance Program to help low-income families reduce their energy costs by weatherizing their homes.
o $11 billion for smart grid technology aimed at improving the energy efficiency of electrical grids around the country, a key to making alternative energy production and distribution viable.
o The recovery plan was also a key "down payment on a new transportation vision," in the words of the coalition Transportation for America, including $27.5 billion allocated to the traditional highway program, $8.4 billion for public transportation, $9.3 billion for intercity and high-speed passenger rail, and $825 million for projects that will make our streets safer for walking and biking. Significantly, the law included unprecedented flexibility in using "highway" funds on ports, transit, passenger and freight rail, or other projects.


* Broadband Investments: The recovery plan allocated $7.2 billion to promote high-speed Internet programs for rural, unserved and under-served areas and for initiatives that expand public community centers' capacity and for the development of a national broadband map.

* Unemployment Insurance Extension and Reform: While the present recession is bad, one reason many unemployed workers and their families are better off than in past recessions is that help for the unemployed has been far more extensive due to the stimulus plan.

o First, the stimulus plan included extended federal weeks of help for the unemployed (help which was recently further extended with a new law) to up to 99 weeks of help in the worst hit states -- compared to just 26 weeks normally available before the recession-based reforms and no more than 52 weeks in recessions over the last three decades.
o While benefits are still too meager by international standards, the stimulus, over 17.9 million Americans will receive a $25/week increase in their UI benefits.
o As importantly, $7 billion in incentive money was provided to states to modernize their unemployment insurance systems to including low-income workers, part-time workers and workers who had to leave jobs for compelling family reasons-- workers previously completely excluded from UI help in most states. The result has been what the National Employment Law Project calls an "unprecedented wave of state reforms" to expand access to state unemployment help.
o Add in the 65% COBRA health care subsidies mentioned above and progressives have won broader and deeper relief for the unemployed than in any past recession.


* Supporting the Safety Net: And for those already suffering in poverty -- or plunged into it because of the recession -- the stimulus bill extended additional help as well:

o Nutrition Programs: Over $20 billion was added to the Food Stamps program (now called SNAP), WIC and other food programs, and the law lifted restrictions on how long unemployed individuals without children can receive SNAP benefits.
o Child Care: Over $4 billion was added for child care block grants, Head Start and Early Head Start programs.
o TANF: $5 billion was added to basic TANF welfare programs. While not repealing the 1996 welfare law, provisions did roll back rigid rules that would have denied funds to states that couldn't find work for rapidly expanding caseloads of the poor.
o Affordable Housing Aid: Added $13.5 billion in funding for a range of affordable housing and homeless prevention programs.


* Expansion of science investments-- Notably, between the stimulus and other budget spending, no less than the Wall Street Journal calls Obama's investments in science, especially green technology, a "once-in-a-generation shift in U.S. science," reinvigorating 17 giant U.S.-funded research facilities, from the Oak Ridge National Laboratory to the Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory in California, as well as university research facilities.


So those are many of the myriad program gains from the recovery plan (there are more whose dollar amounts were less but who mattered greatly to those effected). But there have also been additional policy gains outside the stimulus on the environment, labor rights, gay and abortion rights, and financial reforms.

Environmental Victories: Two notable victories promise to have long-lasting legacies for the nation, even before climate change legislation comes to a vote in the Senate:

* Victory on clean cars mileage rules-- For literally decades, automakers blocked higher federal gas mileage rules and the Bush administration blocked state laws seeking to establish higher standards in their states. Obama engineered a new rule that by model year 2016, the average mandated fleet fuel efficiency standard will be 35.5 miles per gallon. Add in the$2 billion in stimulus cash for advanced batteries systems and the nation should see significant fuel savings in the near future.
* Landmark U.S. conservation bill - Signing a package of more than 160 bills, Obama designating roughly 2 million acres -- parks, rivers, streams, desert, forest and trails -- in nine states as new wilderness and render them off limits to oil and gas drilling and other development.

Labor Rights: On labor rights, we haven't gotten the Employee Free Choice Act, but key Bush executive orders have been reversed, new personnel are being added to the National Labor Relations Board, and Congress has passed key new laws. These include

* Executive orders to allow use of project labor agreements on federal projects, requirements not to displace qualified (often unionized) workers when changing contractors, and require all federal contractors to notify their workers of their rights to form a union.
* Passage of the Lilly Leadbetter Law and Equal-Pay Legislation to protect workers from pay discrimination.
* The Federal Mediation Board has moved to make it far easier for rail and airline workers to form unions.
* Obama's appointees at the Labor Department and NLRB are some of the strongest labor advocates possible, most of them drawn from pro-labor organizations.

* Social Issues: Progressive mades a number of advances on hot button "culture war" issues this year:

o Family Planning: Obama expanding hate crimes protection to gays and lesbians.
o Stem cells: Obama signed an executive order removing research barriers.


Strengthening Authority of States to Build on Federal Reforms: For years, states have increasingly seen their hands tied by a federal government declaring that preemption voids state consumer, environmental and labor rights laws. The Bush administration in particular used its regulatory authority aggressively to block state law after state law. In May, the White House emphasized its new commitment to respecting state regulatory rules by issuing a broad Memorandum on Preemption to all heads of executive departments and agencies, ordering them to avoid the preemption language routinely included in Bush-era regulatory preamble statements or in codified regulations unless there is "full consideration of the legitimate prerogatives of the States and with a sufficient legal basis for preemption."

The administration's affirmation of state "clean car" authority, protection of higher state consumer health care protections, and ending Bush's war on medical marijuana in the states have all been part of this movement towards of collaborative federalism that will strengthen progressive power in the states for years into the future.

Financial Reforms: Even as more comprehensive financial reforms continue to move forward in the House, a couple of significant financial consumer reforms were passed earlier this year:

* Helping Families Save Their Homes Act and the Fraud Enforcement and Recovery Act -these pieces of legislation make it easier for homeowners to access financial help, established protections for renters living in foreclosed homes, and established the right of a homeowner to know who owns their mortgage, while giving the Department of Justice the ability to prosecute at virtually every step of the process from predatory lending on Main Street to the manipulation on Wall Street.

* Credit Card Accountability, Responsibility and Disclosure Act (or Credit CARD Act) of 2009- limits when credit card interest rates can be increased on existing balances and allows consumers whose interest rates have been increased to reduce their annual percentage rates (APRs) to previous levels if they've been good and paid their bills on time for six months. It also limits when interest rates can be increased, bans universal default and double-cycle billing, and restricts credit cards for minors.

Auto Bailout- Saving a core industry of our economy and as many of its attendant jobs as we can should have been a no-brainer, especially as many construction and real estate jobs are inevitably disappearing forever. And the Obama rescue was done in an extremely progressive manner, liquidating the shareholders who tolerated terrible management while safeguarding retirees and preserving a strong union for workers remaining in the industry. The "cash for clunkers" plan may have been a bit of a giveaway to the industry, but then since the U.S. government owns a chunk of the industry, reviving industry profits means returning some of the money to the government itself as a shareholder..

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=7341996&mesg_id=7341996
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Arkana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-22-10 01:09 PM
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10. Gee, I don't know if Obama can recover from that.
I suspect that 56% approval rating going into the SOTU will make it easier for him to sleep at night. :sarcasm:
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umyeah Donating Member (39 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-22-10 02:48 PM
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21. That's all well and good, but....
....quanitfy the results of those things. There certainly is no evidence that the stimulus helped. You can count jobs saved because there's so many flaws in how that number is arrived at (jobs saved from districts that don't even exist, for example.). Not to mention, where did the money come from that "stimulated" the economy? Because we as a country certainly didn't have it. It was no better when Bush did it.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-22-10 02:55 PM
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24. In other words, it is not possible that it could have been worse?
much, much worse?

Some people have a very short memory span. Remember one year ago today? Remember the economic fears? Companies may not be able to pay their employees? If the big banks go under, the entire economy will collapse? Do you remember when Bush and Paulson came out in September before the election and said we were on the brink of a worldwide collapse? Do you remember that? It all looks better today, don't it?
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umyeah Donating Member (39 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-22-10 03:02 PM
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27. Well...
...unemployment is up, not down. Didn't Obama say that it wouldn't go above 8%? Heh. Close Guantanamo? Nope. Health reform with a public option? Forget it. Basically if you look at everything that he campaigned on he has done little to nothing. That's just the way I see it.

If you ask me are we better of now than a year ago? Absolutely not.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-22-10 03:07 PM
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29. Although I would agree with your points, I do not agree ...
that we are worse off now than a year ago. We were on the edge of an economic collapse. It was horrifying to every business and every person with a 401K and every investor on Wall Street. But now Wall Street has gained back about 50% of its low point. The Big Banks are now making record profits. It is true that there are no jobs but it could have been much, much worse. The fact that unemployment went over 8% and is now over 10% shows what a terrible mess we were left with. You do not agree with that?
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umyeah Donating Member (39 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-22-10 03:11 PM
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31. I'm just saying...
....that he has been in office for over a year now. 25% of his term is done. When is the "mess" his? We can't keep blaming the last guy. I think the electorate in Massachusetts would tell you the same thing.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-22-10 03:17 PM
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35. I've heard that right-wing mantra several times...
"He can't keep blaming Bush for this mess".

So you're saying he should have it all cleaned up by now. It was not so bad when he took over. Everything is worse now. The wars that he inherited? Should have won them by now or left those countries? The $5 trillion dollars in debt and the $700 billion TARP bailout that Bush asked for and got, should all be in a balanced budget by now? It wasn't so bad. Is that what you are saying?
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umyeah Donating Member (39 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-22-10 03:21 PM
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38. No. That's not what i'm saying.
But the fact is, every time he's in front of the camera that's what we hear. People on both sides are tiring of it. I don't by any stretch of the imagination think that things should be cleaned up entirely by now. BTW, i'm of the opinion that Bush was wrong for the TARP bailout as was Obama for the stimulus plan. Quit thinking left vs. right. We simply cannot take a bad situation and expect to make it better by doing what was already done (TARP) and doing it 10X worse. Would you agree with that?
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-22-10 03:24 PM
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39. If you cannot see that Bush and the Republicans drove us into a deep ditch...
and it might take us a decade or longer to recover, if we ever do, then I don't think you understand the magnitude of what Obama inherited. My disagreement with Obama is that he tends to think like you - he minimizes the severity of the problem and does not understand what radical steps need to be taken.
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umyeah Donating Member (39 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-22-10 03:28 PM
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41. Tell me.....
....how increasing the debt limit again, and spending money we don't have is going to help? We may be in the ditch, but this sure isn't going to get us out. We just keep going further in. Look at his poll numbers. He'll beat Bushie to the 20's by at least a year and a half at this rate.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-22-10 03:32 PM
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43. It's basic economics..
and most economists agree that the government has to spend money to spur the economy when it is in a recession or depression. You would be a fool to try and balance the budget at this time. Nobody wants to spend like the Republicans did in the last eight years. They doubled the national debt! Obama is no socialist. Surely you do not believe that? The problem with Obama's spending is that he has not spent enough to get us out of this crisis.
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umyeah Donating Member (39 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-22-10 03:41 PM
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44. I don't agree....
...but if he chooses to spend even more money, where will it come from?

They may have doubled the national deficit in 8 years, but Obama has quadrupled it with this stimulus package. From the Washington Post (and they ain't conservative):

President Obama’s ambitious plans to cut middle-class taxes, overhaul health care and expand access to college would require massive borrowing over the next decade, leaving the nation mired far deeper in debt than the White House previously estimated, congressional budget analysts said yesterday.

In the first independent analysis of Obama’s budget proposal, the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office concluded that Obama’s policies would cause government spending to swell above historic levels even after costly programs to ease the recession and stabilize the nation’s financial system have ended.

Tax collections, meanwhile, would lag well behind spending, producing huge annual budget deficits that would force the nation to borrow nearly $9.3 trillion over the next decade — $2.3 trillion more than the president predicted when he unveiled his budget request just one month ago.

Although Obama would come close to meeting his goal of cutting in half the deficit he inherited by the end of his first term, the CBO predicts that deficits under his policies would exceed 4 percent of the overall economy over the next 10 years, a level White House budget director Peter R. Orszag yesterday acknowledged would “not be sustainable.”

The result, according to the CBO, would be an ever-expanding national debt that would exceed 82 percent of the overall economy by 2019 — double last year’s level — and threaten the nation’s financial stability.

“This clearly creates a scenario where the country’s going to go bankrupt. It’s almost that simple,” said Sen. Judd Gregg (N.H.), the senior Republican on the Senate Budget Committee, who briefly considered joining the Obama administration as commerce secretary. “One would hope these numbers would wake somebody up,” Gregg said.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-22-10 03:50 PM
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49. I think you may be confusing deficits with "debt"?
Bush doubled the debt in eight years. He paid for nothing. He and the Republicans borrowed every penny spent. He left Obama with a $1.2 trillion dollar deficit, with the TARP added in. That was not Obama budget - that was Bush's last budget.

Please don't quote Judd Gregg. He is a manipulating propagandist and partisan extraordinaire. Everybody knows the danger involved in the debt and the deficits but they have no other solutions that make any sense. Plans are only plans. They have not yet been passed. We are reaping the effects of the Bush taxcuts and wars and plans. Those are the reality we are dealing with - not proposed plans for the future from Obama.
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umyeah Donating Member (39 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-22-10 03:52 PM
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50. Numbers are numbers.
Is the CBO partisan?
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-22-10 04:02 PM
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55. They may be right?
But reality is reality.
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umyeah Donating Member (39 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-22-10 04:12 PM
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59. I suppose we'll agree to disagree.
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zbdent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-27-10 08:58 AM
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74. The skunk has been removed from the middle of the road ...
but the stink lingers on ...
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umyeah Donating Member (39 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-27-10 08:59 AM
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75. Meaning?
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-22-10 03:15 PM
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33. "Helping Families Save Their Homes Act" - that particular one is a big dud
Ask me :)
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umyeah Donating Member (39 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-22-10 03:16 PM
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34. Would it be fair to say...
....you have "buyer's remorse"?
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-22-10 03:28 PM
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42. My house or my vote? lol
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umyeah Donating Member (39 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-22-10 03:44 PM
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45. Take your pick.
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AlinPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-23-10 05:07 PM
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71. Thanks kentuck. Good work. nt
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8 track mind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-27-10 09:18 AM
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77. oh details, details
:sarcasm:
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RandomKoolzip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-22-10 01:05 PM
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7. What about US?
Can WE, as a country, as a species, possibly bounce back after this disastrous FIRST MONTH of 2010?
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-22-10 01:08 PM
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8. Perhaps yours is the better question?
Mine seemed to bring out all the unrecs that see it as "negative" and unnecessary?
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-22-10 01:09 PM
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9. i'm not going to claim everything is all hunky dory, but outside of DU, ppl aren't
Edited on Fri Jan-22-10 01:09 PM by dionysus
as demoralized as you think... i know way more people mad at the republicans obstructionism than ppl pissed of at obama or the other dems...
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-22-10 01:13 PM
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13. Just not in Massachusetts...
but everywhere else?
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-22-10 01:40 PM
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18. i can only speak for the people i know in my particular area...
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umyeah Donating Member (39 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-22-10 02:51 PM
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22. How...
...are the Repubs obstructionist? Until last Tuesday they were insignificant. The numerically didn't matter in any way whatsoever. Democrats had the super majority. Agree on it, pass it. Done. What happened?
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-22-10 02:59 PM
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25. if you don't know, i doubt i can help you.
Edited on Fri Jan-22-10 03:01 PM by dionysus
:rofl:

okay, they vote to a man\woman against everything, requiring 60 votes for cloture. nbot a single one of them has the conscience to do the right thing. that leaves us to deal with their brethren the "blue dog" republicans.
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umyeah Donating Member (39 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-22-10 03:03 PM
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28. Maybe i'm not clear.....or not understanding you.
If every Democrat simply agrees (as the Republicans have done with each other) NOTHING can stop the legislation. Am I wrong?
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SemiCharmedQuark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-22-10 03:46 PM
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46. Yes, you are wrong. Because the most we ever had was 59 Democrats and Joe Lieberman
And independent who campaigned for John McCain.
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umyeah Donating Member (39 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-22-10 03:47 PM
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47. That may be....
...but he was still on board in the end.
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SemiCharmedQuark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-22-10 03:59 PM
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51. He was not "on board". They had to bend over backwards to get his vote.
And now he's saying he might become a Republican.
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umyeah Donating Member (39 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-22-10 04:01 PM
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53. But they got his vote (as you said)....
...so you can't blame it on him.

He won't become a Repub and has repeatedly said so.
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SemiCharmedQuark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-22-10 04:05 PM
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56. He wouldn't even vote on CLOTURE.
Edited on Fri Jan-22-10 04:05 PM by SemiCharmedQuark
And no, he has not ruled out being a Republican:
http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/12/15/lieberman.senate/index.html
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umyeah Donating Member (39 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-24-10 03:55 PM
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73. If it comes down to ONE vote, then the left....
.....has problems.
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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-22-10 01:13 PM
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12. The more cogent question is "Will the "base" stop kneecapping him?".
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-22-10 01:36 PM
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15. You really believe that?
??
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harun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-22-10 01:38 PM
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16. Bullsh*t, name one thing he has done for the base?
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umyeah Donating Member (39 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-22-10 02:52 PM
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23. There you go. Enough said.
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arthritisR_US Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-22-10 01:50 PM
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19. of course it's the base that picked wall street for prime seats in his cabinet. The base
must have been instrumental in his escalation of the war and making sure he kept the same SOD. Surely it was the base that ensured that nothing changed in the DOJ and that Bushies appointees remain. That damn base. :sarcasm:
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-22-10 03:49 PM
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48. Are you kidding? His chief of staff insults the base about once a week.
Although, to be fair, that stopped a couple of weeks ago.

If you think the base can kneecap Obama, you have a very different understanding of the power dynamics in this relationship.
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-22-10 04:13 PM
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60. Unlikely
You can see the lame excuses by the dozen why destroying our own is indeed the best policy.

:eyes:
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izquierdista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-22-10 01:40 PM
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17. Does he want to?
He doesn't seem troubled by Geithner, Summers, and Bernanke at all.
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-22-10 01:52 PM
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20. I thought Clinton had a horrible first year.....
He managed ok.

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Mari333 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-22-10 03:01 PM
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26. he would have to do a 180. I dont think the corporate control of his advisors
will allow any change from the status quo.
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-22-10 03:08 PM
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30. Obama hired his advisors and can fire them at will. nt
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Mari333 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-22-10 03:21 PM
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37. and wouldnt that be nice.
but will he? I think he is in a bubble. and has been sucked in by the elites.
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NorthCarolina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-22-10 03:27 PM
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40. Obama is a self described "New Democrat" (read DLC). His advisors are not leading him anywhere
he doesn't already want to go.
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Mari333 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-22-10 04:00 PM
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52. Yes, I agree. silly me.
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-22-10 03:14 PM
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32. Of course it is possible
that you would even want to entertain the idea is strange.

Unless you are determined to think ill of him from now on. That can become a self-fulfilling prophecy.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-22-10 03:20 PM
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36. What kind of thinking is that?
Are you saying we should not even mention such ideas because they are so strange as to be incredible? No matter if others are thinking the same thing, we should not mention it, otherwise it may become a self-fulfilling prophecy? Best not to talk about such ideas?
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-23-10 11:43 AM
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63. It's just being negative
And when you are negative, things don't work out.

Like I say, even if one thinks Obama has had a bad first year (which I dispute) it does not mean any following year cannot be better.

There seems to be this mindset that we're going to be pessimistic from now on. Pessimists never get anywhere because the negative energy tires them out and discourages them. One wonders why some posters work so hard to get peoples' psyches into that state.

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blues90 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-23-10 04:58 PM
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70. There is a huge difference in being pessimistic and realistic
All through the 8 horrid years of GWB and two of them we had a Dem majority in the house and once impeachment was taken off the table the people for the most part sat on their hands and nothing happened other than full on funding for the damn wars. We got Roberts and Condi became SOS.

That's reality. And since Obama has kept in motion most of the same insane policy as GWB and Cheney then just what does this say about Obama.

So far he has done nothing that helps the basic Joe or Jane.

If you want to go along and ignore reality and slap a blanket statement because many people are not happy with what Obama has done and call it pessimistic and claim that creats negative energy then what does denile create?

Yes Obama inherited these wars but he did not have to sign on to them and now own them . That right there was enough for me to lose all trust in him and yes I know he said Afghanistan was the good war during his campaign , this is why he did not get my vote . I have had enough of wars. Many thought he was saying this to get elected and to stand tough and would not go through with it.

The first year is the year all presidents are judged.
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TicketyBoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-22-10 04:01 PM
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54. All I can say is
he still has MY support.

A Nobel Peace Prize! Wow! As much as we loved and supported him, who would have thought THAT would happen?

Yay for our side!
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-22-10 04:08 PM
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57. The people voted for "change" and got the status quo and politics-as-usual.
He could try standing for something other than re-election by triangulation. But, that would mean recognizing that abandoning the left, and embracing the right, isn't such a hot political move after all.

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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-22-10 04:11 PM
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58. yawn
Ya got anything other than the same post, repackaged every day?

:boring:
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-22-10 04:14 PM
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61. Sure! Try this one!
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-22-10 05:39 PM
Response to Reply #61
62. Yeah, I did see that one
OK, you get bonus credit towards your next post ;)

Ya like coleslaw with them ribs? :)
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Karmadillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-23-10 11:48 AM
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64. What does he have to recover from? He expanded a war, he transferred trillion$ to
our corporate masters, he fought off a serious threat to the health insurance industry, and he helped put global warming on the back burner (no liquid coal for this burner yet, but one can dream). Pretty good job of achieving his goals.
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leeroysphitz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-23-10 11:50 AM
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65. Tune in next november. Same bat time, same bat channel. n/t
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calico1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-23-10 12:11 PM
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66. Assuming he even wants to recover
the only way to do it is to be the leader that most Americans and indeed the world hoped for and expected.

But I have to wonder...since day one he seems to have gone out of his way to reach across to the very same elements that voters and the world became disgusted with.

So I don't know.

I have become so cynical that I wonder if this SC decision was really a surprise? Or did Obama and most of the Dems expect it? Are they just going through the motions now of expressing outrage so that the masses will believe that someone is on their side but secretly be happy about it?

I just don't know anymore.

I wonder...how does a President who won with a decisive mandate, both houses of Congress, the good will of not only most Americans but also the world end up like this in his first year in office? It's almost like he deliberately is trying to run out the clock..stalling, delaying, hesitating to take a stand on anything..

Sorry but I am just cynical at this point. I have never in my life seen anything like this.
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samsingh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-23-10 12:13 PM
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67. i'm not happy with him - i wish him the best - but i'm very disappointed
i really question whether he wants healthcare. go through the channels bush the idiot used to get legislation passed with much less than 59 senators on his side let alone 60.
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-23-10 12:15 PM
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68. Yes, he can. But it's going to be hard work.
He's going to have to fire some people. He's going to have to clear his head and realize he's barely above the 50% line and can't afford to lose more ground. He's going to have to dance with those who brought him.
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-23-10 12:43 PM
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69. I can say with full confidence that he will not recover one part of his base
without firing Arne Duncan, deep-sixing "Race To The Top," and allow educators to educate him about education reform.
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Johnny Harpo Donating Member (330 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-23-10 05:12 PM
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72. Not If He Keeps The Same 'Team' He Has Now....
Right now all we have is the fox guarding the hen house.
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-27-10 09:03 AM
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76. "Can Clinton recover from this first year?" "Can Reagan recover from this first year?"

Your post puts more emphasis on what is wrong with most liberals.


Lack of patience.



By 2012, Obama will be in position to handily win re-election.

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Democrat_in_Houston Donating Member (94 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-27-10 09:27 AM
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78. Yes, but it's going to be more difficult as each day passes
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BlueIris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-27-10 09:41 AM
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79. I'm not optimistic.
I wish I could be, but I think it's possible it's already over.
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