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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-22-10 02:17 PM
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Obama Quietly Issues Ruling Saying It's Legal For The FBI To Break The Law
...from the and-it-gets-worse dept

Following the report earlier this week that the FBI regularly broke the ECPA law, in obtaining information from telcos without going through the proper process (and, in some cases using just a post it note!), some interesting details from the full report have come to light. The two key ones? First, "the Obama administration issued a secret rule almost two weeks ago saying it was legal for the FBI to have skirted federal privacy protections." And, second, the original idea to use these bogus "exigent letters" didn't come from the FBI, but from an AT&T employee. We noted in the original report that no one seemed to be placing any blame on the telcos for allowing this, and why they're clearly abusing the law, in giving out such info without the proper rules being followed, seems like a big question:

The telecom employees were supposed to be responding to National Security Letters, which are essentially FBI-issued subpoenas. But those Patriot Act powers say the target must be part of an open investigation and that a supervisor has to approve it. While they require some paperwork, FBI agents have been issuing about 40,000 such NSLs a year.

But an AT&T employee provided the unit with a way around some of those requirements. The employee introduced them to so-called 'exigent letters.' Those letters, first used immediately following 9/11, asked for information by saying that the request was an emergency and that prosecutors were preparing a grand jury subpoena. The letter falsely promised that the subpoena, which gives the telecoms legal immunity, would be delivered later, the report said.

What's more, the report noted that the cozy relationship between the bureau and the telecoms made it hard to differentiate between the FBI and the nation's phone companies.

"The FBI's use of exigent letters became so casual, routine and unsupervised that employees of all three communication service providers told us that they -- the company employees-- sometimes generated the exigent letters for CAU personnel to sign and return," the inspector general reported.

In fact, one AT&T employee even created a short cut on his desktop to a form letter that he could print out for a requesting FBI agent to sign.

Even that became too much. Agents would request "sneak peeks," where they'd ask if it was worth their time to file a request on a given phone number, the inspector general noted. The telecom agents complied. Soon it graduated to numbers on Post-it notes, in e-mails or just oral requests.


No wonder the telcos were so adamant about getting immunity on the warrantless wiretapping. It appears that the issue of telcos ignoring the rules when it came to your privacy goes pretty deep.

http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20100121/1418107862.shtml
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FiveGoodMen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-22-10 02:24 PM
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1. What is there to say?
:grr:
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indepat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-22-10 02:30 PM
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6. But wonder how the land of the free and home of the brave could become the land of the cowardly
and sniveling in such quick fashion! :P
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-22-10 03:32 PM
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11. Not. Much.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-22-10 02:25 PM
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-22-10 02:26 PM
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3. Yeah. President Speaks Out of Both Sides of Mouth
and with forked tongue. Whose side are you on anyway, Obama?

Better make a choice real damn fast. And dance with those what brung you. Uphold the damn Constitution, already! And restore Habeus Corpus and Rule of Law and Geneva Conventions and every other thing Bush destroyed.
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VMI Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-22-10 02:27 PM
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4. Is change hard or easy?
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anarch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-22-10 02:27 PM
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5. when policemen break the law, then there isn't any law.
just a fight for survival.

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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-22-10 02:54 PM
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10. a scary thought
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Peregrine Took Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-22-10 02:36 PM
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7. What was Reagan's famous line..."There you go again!"
I have rarely been so 100% wrong about someone (Obama) in my whole life!
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VMI Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-22-10 02:37 PM
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8. 100%? Come on.
80%. Maybe 83.
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-22-10 02:39 PM
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9. He's good, isn't he? Fooled millions. WTG Obama!
x( :argh:
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dflprincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-23-10 12:07 AM
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24. Maybe 2012 campaign slogan can be
"Hope & Change - let's prove you can fool some of the people all of the time!"
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-23-10 08:43 AM
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-22-10 04:57 PM
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Leopolds Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-22-10 05:18 PM
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13. Doesn't matter... Irrelevant.
When Obama voted for FISA reform, he voted to LEGALIZE the routine warrantless data-mining of ALL US domestic communications.

Most people, even DUers are still in denial about that.
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varelse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-22-10 09:05 PM
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14. Spare some change?
I could have saved some $$$ if only I'd known how little it mattered which figurehead was put in place.
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-22-10 09:10 PM
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16. oh, goddess....
Edited on Fri Jan-22-10 09:11 PM by bobbolink
:cry:

:pals:
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-22-10 09:08 PM
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15. There's plenty of buyer's remorse for everyone.
I'm too tired to even :mad: or :puke: and certainly too tired to :argh:
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Tim01 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-22-10 09:13 PM
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17. Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain.
Shit, nobody is even bothering with the curtain now. Were just fucked.
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FLAprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-22-10 09:14 PM
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18. But he's a CONSTITUTIONAL LAWYER!!!11!!one!!!11one
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-22-10 09:15 PM
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19. And SEXAY SEXAY SEXAY in his swimsuit!
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Jamastiene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-23-10 02:44 AM
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25. OH, THOSE ABS, SWOOOON!1!1(elevens)!1@!
Ain't that the truth?
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Mojorabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-22-10 10:00 PM
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23. That is actually
one of the big reasons I voted for him. I just knew a constitutional law professor would overturn the overreach of the patriot act.
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-23-10 08:26 AM
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26. shoulda checked his grades..
oh yeah..you couldn't..or anything else ..
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chimpymustgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-23-10 09:24 AM
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28. Don't go there....
God we are so fucked.
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-22-10 09:31 PM
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20. K&R.
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-22-10 09:54 PM
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21. kick!
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-22-10 09:57 PM
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22. K & R
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panzerfaust Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-23-10 09:52 AM
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29. Whatever the President does is legal ...
Richard Nixon told us that long ago.

Divine Right it used to be called - which is why The Tyrannical God of Abraham is opposed to democracy:


Romans 13:1-2
Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.

Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.

---------------
Actually, could NOT find a picture of Nixon in front of a Christer Cross - Had to settle for God made flesh as Billy G: Just shows how far we have come on our journey back to the darkness of a world ruled by religion.
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-23-10 01:15 PM
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30. Kick
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Karmadillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-23-10 01:16 PM
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31. He's a fighter, all right. Just not for us.
nt
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