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Mass (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-25-07 04:14 PM Original message |
John Kerry - Health Care for All Americans |
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antigop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-25-07 04:27 PM Response to Original message |
1. It depends upon what is meant by "protect all Americans" |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-25-07 04:29 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. But would be subsidized |
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Selatius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-25-07 04:38 PM Response to Reply #2 |
4. The Massachusetts way is something I oppose. |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-25-07 05:02 PM Response to Reply #4 |
5. When you don't have anything |
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Mass (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-25-07 05:43 PM Response to Reply #5 |
7. The MA plan is very far from $70 a month. The lowest plans are about $150 a month/person |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-25-07 06:19 PM Response to Reply #7 |
8. $0 - $20,000 family of 4 |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-26-07 05:30 PM Response to Reply #8 |
66. Single payer will cost much less for everyone. I think you are being misled by the |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-26-07 11:13 PM Response to Reply #66 |
68. Massachusetts State Web Site Figures |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-26-07 11:45 PM Response to Reply #68 |
69. You are misled that the total cost of the program to everyone is cheaper than |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-27-07 12:05 AM Response to Reply #69 |
70. The cost is the cost |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-27-07 12:28 AM Response to Reply #70 |
71. Romney likes it. |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-27-07 12:45 AM Response to Reply #71 |
72. Blue blue Oregon likes it too |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-27-07 12:53 AM Response to Reply #72 |
73. I canvassed Kitzhaber in 1990 at his door in Roseburg on my second day |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-27-07 01:11 AM Response to Reply #73 |
74. Kitzhaber signed subsidized health insurance |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-27-07 01:23 AM Response to Reply #74 |
75. Blue Cross is a non-profit organization. |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-27-07 01:38 AM Response to Reply #75 |
76. MassHealth - as always - read the damn link |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-27-07 01:46 AM Response to Reply #76 |
78. And when they decide it's too expensive next year? ANd they start cutting benefits, and the |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-27-07 02:10 AM Response to Reply #78 |
79. Oh brother, that happens anyway |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-27-07 08:16 AM Response to Reply #79 |
83. Well I see why you would oppose single payer. It would have eliminated your |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-27-07 11:50 AM Response to Reply #83 |
87. I don't oppose single payer |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-27-07 12:43 PM Response to Reply #87 |
88. I'm sorry, i thought you opposed single payer. |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-27-07 01:17 PM Response to Reply #88 |
90. OR & MA - same plan |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-27-07 01:36 PM Response to Reply #90 |
92. Ore and MA are not the same plan, which demonstrates your lack of understanding. |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-27-07 01:41 PM Response to Reply #92 |
93. Attacking again, and they're very similar |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-27-07 01:42 AM Response to Reply #75 |
77. Food Stamps subsidize Big Ag |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-27-07 08:01 AM Response to Reply #77 |
81. I see you don't understand single payer health insurance. That's OK, you aren't |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-27-07 11:42 AM Response to Reply #81 |
86. Food is for profit |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-27-07 01:14 PM Response to Reply #86 |
89. Your analogy is false. If it subsidized "food insurance" then I suppose you would be on the money. |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-27-07 01:34 PM Response to Reply #89 |
91. Then the profit isn't the issue |
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antigop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-25-07 06:55 PM Response to Reply #4 |
9. I'll take Kuehl's single-payer California plan, thank you very much n/t |
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antigop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-25-07 07:02 PM Response to Reply #2 |
11. I never said it was "Free"-- please don't attribute words to me that I didn't say n/t |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-26-07 01:25 AM Response to Reply #2 |
14. Health care costs everybody money right now |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-26-07 04:25 AM Response to Reply #14 |
15. See #8 |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-26-07 07:32 AM Response to Reply #15 |
19. Plans that don't pay up when you get sick are worthless |
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antigop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-26-07 07:43 AM Response to Reply #15 |
20. California passed single-payer last year. Schwarzenegger vetoed it. n/t |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-26-07 01:25 PM Response to Reply #20 |
59. Oregon voters rejected it, and |
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antigop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-26-07 03:29 PM Response to Reply #59 |
60. easy answer: more grassroots work n/t |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-26-07 03:47 PM Response to Reply #60 |
62. Grass over the graves of the dead |
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antigop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-26-07 04:23 PM Response to Reply #62 |
64. grass roots needs more work. It's that simple. Obviously, people weren't sold on the idea. n/t |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-26-07 04:53 PM Response to Reply #64 |
65. OR people said NO |
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antigop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-26-07 08:47 PM Response to Reply #65 |
67. you'll have to ask the grass roots what they did wrong -- I can't answer that n/t |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-27-07 08:09 AM Response to Reply #2 |
82. You do understand that we are already paying more than anybody else, right? |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-27-07 11:37 AM Response to Reply #82 |
85. Good, get it passed n/t |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-25-07 04:32 PM Response to Reply #1 |
3. I think his intention here is to FORCE the debate and frame it in terms the public |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-25-07 05:06 PM Response to Reply #3 |
6. It's an excellent idea |
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antigop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-25-07 06:56 PM Response to Reply #3 |
10. But it doesn't force the debate as to whether it's AFFORDABLE |
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TayTay (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-25-07 07:46 PM Response to Reply #10 |
12. A debate would decide the options |
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antigop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-25-07 07:52 PM Response to Reply #12 |
13. Look at what the petition says |
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Mass (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-26-07 06:41 AM Response to Reply #13 |
16. Which is the reason why we must continue to press the question. |
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antigop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-26-07 07:44 AM Response to Reply #16 |
21. Who expected "everything to fall from the sky"? n/t |
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antigop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-26-07 07:46 AM Response to Reply #16 |
24. I'm not "expecting everything to fall from the sky" |
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Mass (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-26-07 06:41 AM Response to Reply #10 |
17. Even AFFORDABLE is a very relative term. |
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antigop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-26-07 07:44 AM Response to Reply #17 |
22. Yes, as we are finding in Massachusetts n/t |
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cooolandrew (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-26-07 06:43 AM Response to Original message |
18. That is a genius idea... |
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marmar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-26-07 07:45 AM Response to Original message |
23. Thanks again John Kerry..... |
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PA Democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-26-07 08:01 AM Response to Original message |
25. Done and forwarded. Recommended. |
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OzarkDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-26-07 08:07 AM Response to Original message |
26. Not good enough |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-26-07 08:58 AM Response to Reply #26 |
27. Universal healthcare is in the pipes - he's forcing GOP lawmakers to deal with the armtwisting |
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antigop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-26-07 09:25 AM Response to Reply #27 |
28. NO, I think it's just a bunch of weasel words that don't really mean anything n/t |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-26-07 09:33 AM Response to Reply #28 |
30. It's a petition calling for Congress to act. |
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antigop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-26-07 10:10 AM Response to Reply #30 |
32. I'm not panicking, just stating the obvious n/t |
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OzarkDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-26-07 12:06 PM Response to Reply #30 |
41. Then they should act now |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-26-07 12:09 PM Response to Reply #41 |
47. Don't tell me: pick a petition and tell Congress. n/t |
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antigop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-26-07 09:25 AM Response to Reply #27 |
29. Kerry should be spending his time getting behind a REAL solution n/t |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-26-07 09:45 AM Response to Reply #29 |
31. He submitted Universal Healthcare plans in 2005 |
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antigop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-26-07 10:10 AM Response to Reply #31 |
33. And what bill has he sponsored for UNIVERSAL care -- not just for kids? n/t |
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antigop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-26-07 10:16 AM Response to Reply #31 |
34. If he's behind a "full universal healthcare plan", what BILLS has he sponsored/co-sponsored? |
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Mass (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-26-07 11:19 AM Response to Reply #34 |
35. I still cannot figure what you are whining about? Do you not want a debate in the Senate and the |
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antigop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-26-07 11:53 AM Response to Reply #35 |
36. That bill is from 2005 and I'm, not whining just stating the obvious n/t |
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antigop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-26-07 11:54 AM Response to Reply #35 |
37. If you want to sign his petition, then go ahead, but frankly I won't waste my time n/t |
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Mass (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-26-07 11:59 AM Response to Reply #37 |
38. I was talking about Conyers's petition! Do something useful rather than whining! |
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antigop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-26-07 12:04 PM Response to Reply #38 |
39. The OP had a link to sign KERRY'S PETITION -- that's what it said n/t |
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Mass (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-26-07 12:07 PM Response to Reply #39 |
43. As well as a link to Conyers's petition. |
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antigop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-26-07 12:08 PM Response to Reply #43 |
45. Wow! Did I strike a nerve or what? I state an opinion and am accused of "whining" n/t |
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antigop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-26-07 12:06 PM Response to Reply #38 |
42. I care to see things advance as well, and Kerry's petition won't do it |
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Mass (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-26-07 12:09 PM Response to Reply #42 |
46. Forget me! |
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OzarkDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-26-07 12:10 PM Response to Reply #35 |
48. No, we don't want debate |
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antigop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-26-07 12:11 PM Response to Reply #48 |
49. Thank you, Ozarkdem! n/t |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-26-07 12:14 PM Response to Reply #48 |
51. Okay, I look forward to this passing tomorrow based on your post. n/t |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-26-07 12:15 PM Original message |
Oops, why wait? I look forward to it passing today! n/t |
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Mass (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-26-07 12:18 PM Response to Original message |
55. In the next three minutes. Obviously, they will convince the senate and the house to pass |
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Mass (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-26-07 12:15 PM Response to Reply #48 |
52. Unfortunately, there will need to have a debate in the House and the Senate if you |
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antigop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-26-07 12:17 PM Response to Reply #52 |
54. Then you debate ACTUAL PLANS, ACTUAL SOLUTIONS, not weasel words n/t |
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Mass (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-26-07 12:21 PM Response to Reply #54 |
57. What weasel words??? All the bill proposes is that the House and the Senate are mandated to have a |
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antigop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-26-07 12:24 PM Response to Reply #57 |
58. These weasel words.... |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-26-07 12:12 PM Response to Reply #35 |
50. That's an interesting mix of co-sponsors |
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OzarkDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-26-07 12:08 PM Response to Reply #31 |
44. it wasn't universal |
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OzarkDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-26-07 12:05 PM Response to Reply #27 |
40. Twist arms now not after 2008 |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-26-07 12:16 PM Response to Original message |
53. This is written into the Constitutions of many advanced |
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antigop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-26-07 12:20 PM Response to Reply #53 |
56. CLeita, please go back and read the OP |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-26-07 03:36 PM Response to Reply #56 |
61. You misunderstood me. |
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antigop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-26-07 04:20 PM Response to Reply #61 |
63. Thanks, Cleita. I agree -- we need something more concrete. n/t |
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NotGivingUp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-27-07 05:31 AM Response to Original message |
80. they can take their mandatory health insurance and stick it. |
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SoCalDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-27-07 08:24 AM Response to Original message |
84. Rich folks can still afford to pay their own way.. no biggie |
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Manifestor_of_Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-27-07 01:57 PM Response to Reply #84 |
94. What if you don't have a job and can't get one???? How ya gonna pay? |
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