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ProdigalJunkMail Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-23-10 11:05 AM
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question regarding corporate money in politics
i think that stopping the flow of corporate money into politics is a good goal...not just elections, but politics in general. however, if the goal is to stop corporate money from entering the political arena, does that also affect money from unions???

sP
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-23-10 11:08 AM
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1. sure
Corporations and unions are similar entities. To stop one would mean you should stop another..

The corporatations have billions to throw at elections... the unions have very very little..
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ProdigalJunkMail Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-23-10 11:12 AM
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2. well, could unions give money before the ruling?
how were they affected by this? does this mean that they can now give money they could not give?

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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-23-10 11:18 AM
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5. Unions (and corps) can't give money but they can have PAC's
Corporate and Union Activity

Even though corporations and labor organizations may not make contributions or expenditures in connection with federal elections, they may establish Political Action Committees, or PACs. Corporate and labor PACs raise voluntary contributions from a restricted class of individuals. In the case of unions, this consists of union members and their families. For corporations, the restricted class consists of managerial employees and stockholders and their families. These funds may be used to support federal candidates and political committees, either through independent expenditures or through contributions to candidates. A PAC is limited to a maximum contribution of $5,000 to a candidate committee per election.

Although prohibited from using their resources to "expressly advocate" the election or defeat of federal candidates, or to make contributions directly to candidates or parties, corporations and labor organizations may conduct a variety of activities related to federal elections, in addition to those conducted through a PAC. Though they may not use general treasury funds to pay for "electioneering communications" - broadcast ads referring to candidates for federal election without expressly advocating their election or defeat– in the 60 days prior to a general election, or 30 days prior to a primary election, they may advocate for political issues and mention federal candidates while doing so, if outside the 30/60 day time frame for "electioneering communications," or at any time through non-broadcast media. They may also engage in certain non-partisan voter registration and get-out-the-vote campaigns.

Additionally, over half the states allow some level of direct corporate contributions or spending in state and local races.

en.wikipedia.org/.../Campaign_finance_in_the_United_States


Corporations and Unions

The law also prohibits contributions from corporations and labor unions. This prohibition applies to any incorporated organization, profit or nonprofit. For example, the owner of an incorporated "mom and pop" grocery store is not permitted to use a business account to make contributions. Instead, the owner would have to use a personal account. A corporate employee may make contributions through a nonrepayable corporate drawing account, which allows the individual to draw personal funds against salary, profits or other compensation.

Corporate/Union Facilities

If you are an employee, stockholder or member of a corporation or labor union, you may use the organization's facilities--for example, the phone--in connection with your volunteer activities, subject to the rules and practices of the organization. The activity, however, cannot prevent an employee from completing normal work; nor can it interfere with the organization's normal activity.

If your activity exceeds "incidental use" of the facilities--one hour a week or four hours a month--you must reimburse the corporation or union the normal rental charge within a commercially reasonable time. If you use the organization's equipment to produce campaign materials, you must reimburse the organization regardless of how much time you spend. Any reimbursement for your use of facilities is considered a contribution from you to the political committee that you are helping.

www.fec.gov/pages/brochures/citizens.shtml
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ProdigalJunkMail Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-23-10 11:28 AM
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6. but i know unions can spend massive amounts of funds
on campaigning. the SEIU spent loads on Obama campaigning...I am not sure how that works...

sP

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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-23-10 12:46 PM
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7. Unions are outspent about 4 to 1 by corporate interests
including the Chamber of Commerce

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RB TexLa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-23-10 11:15 AM
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3. Wouldn't the stupid rally cry against corporate personhood be the same as a stupid cry against
union personhood?
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ProdigalJunkMail Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-23-10 11:18 AM
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4. i would think so...
but i thought unions could give fairly freely to political organizations and campaigns before...i could be wrong. my state doesn't have a whole lot of union presence except for the gov't unions and teachers unions. but i would think that if the restriction clamp down that is being desired for corporations is enacted it would affect unions as well!

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