Finish this sentence "Pornography is ______________"...

[Locut0s]

I'm talking about mainstream but still hardcore pornography.

[lazarus]

1. acceptable

If it's all consenting adults, no big deal. The only problem is, it can teach some really weird lessons about human sexuality to people too stupid to realize it's just a show.

[MnFats]

22. Unlike 'good sex`

no, really. think of the best sex you've had.Was it anything like the "hottest" porn you've seen? I didn't think so.

[lazarus]

23. exactly

It's all just a show, and has little to do with real sex.

[Tom_Foolery]

36. The best sex that I ever had was close to porn...

It's been over 14 years ago, and I still think of that night sometimes. What a woman!!!

[Tim01]

49. Yep. It is. Still is. 13 years now. nt

[Marr]

69. Unfair. Clown costumes don't work on video.

And fruit goes bad too fast.

[Forkboy]

88. Yes. It was a lot like it.

:rofl:

[Occulus]

106. Oh, my, yes it was.

It's one of my fondest memories.

[DutchLiberal]

75. That's not exclusive to pornography.

What do stupid people learn from a show like '24'? That's it's acceptable to torture people because it always works and always saves innocent lives.

[dmr]

2. The Supreme Court, sans 4 n/t

[WestSeattle2]

61. .

[mdmc]

3. racy

[bluestateguy]

4. big business

nt

[ChicagoSuz219]

21. That was my answer, too... n/t

[JVS]

5. the type of art taken most seriously by the 21st century public

Books: not read by a lot of people
TV: watched as a pastime, not evaluated seriously. People don't care that much if it's bad or good.
Movies: evaluated slightly more seriously than TV. Used as a social event.
Porn: watched attentively by a huge audience. Quality is crucial, if it's bad people move on to other porn.

[Locut0s]

7. Really now? It's a huge industry that's for sure. Maybe in the 70s. But....

I don't think many people now consider it as much more than what it is, a masturbatory aid. And Quality? There's very little quality porn out there most of it is dry stale and boring, consisting of the same closeups, same shots, same everything just different people.

There are of course a few examples of movies that flirted with the pornography / legit film line and did so artfully but most of those are not contemporary.

[LostInAnomie]

18. It really is art shaped by the audience.

I know a lot of people will say "Porn isn't art! It's just people fucking!". But, porn is really the manifestation of the erotic urges of the audience. It has and extremely fluid nature that allows it to tailor itself into any form. I really think it would be hard to come up with an art form that is more diverse, dynamic, and innovative as pornography.

[Union Yes]

6. a great escape from politics. =)

[bridgit]

8. just another addiction for some

[Maru Kitteh]

9. currently poorly evolved.

It can only reflect the society it resides in.

Sexual expression that respects everyone is freakin' awesome, we're just not there yet.

[bigjohn16]

10. cheaper than dinner, drinks, and a sure thing. nt

[Skittles]

11. as believable as romance novels

[Locut0s]

13. If you are thinking of harlequin romances the two serve the same purpose. Masturbatory aids nt.

[bridgit]

20. I'm......so glad you brought up Harlequin Romance

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[KittyWampus]

56. a McDonald hamburger and a tasty homecooked meal both serve the same purpose too.

one is crap on a bun sold by a corporation that has to spend millions advertising so you believe that crap tastes good and is worthwhile, healthy nutrion.

the other takes some time and effort to prepare but requires no brainwashing to influence our perception of its desirability.

[Locut0s]

113. There's nothing even slightly artistic or creative about Harlequin romances. They are pulp erotica..

[Marr]

71. LOL, that's the truth. n/t

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

12. not misspelled in your title.

A pity the same can't be said for the rest of the words.

[Locut0s]

Thanks. I misspell everything. What about the rest of the words?

[LostInAnomie]

14. ... worried about by far too many people on both sides of the political spectrum.

[Locut0s]

15. And used by just about all. nt

[Merchant Marine]

16. The best entertainment I've got at sea...

n/t

[rcrush]

17. awesome.

It keeps me from going on that killing spree.

[bertman]

94. rcrush, that is HILARIOUS!!

:rofl: :rofl:

[CoffeeCat]

101. stupid. (nt)

[cali]

19. ubiquitous

[Violet_Crumble]

24. ...something that I don't see the magic in, but which brings huge $ into the local economy...

...and here's a bit of porn trivia for the locals....

Did you know that Powderfinger's first successful single 'Pick You Up' was written in a room of the same Canberra motel that was infamous for being the scene of many porn shoots? I read that somewhere years ago but don't know why it stuck in my mind all this time or even if it's true. Probably coz I'm always looking for the slightest excuse to mention how totally and utterly awesome Powderfinger were, are, and always will be.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DE_ZwUKfNa4

Watch it. They're so fucking awesome..

<end of fangirl rant/>

[Touchdown]

25. Too Expensive.

:D

[Jamastiene]

31. Not if you know the right places online.

:evilgrin:

[cliffordu]

178. Redtube, youporn, pornotube....

My facebook page...

[Juche]

26. free

[depakid]

27. ...driving internet innovation

:rofl:

[Edweird]

28. The reason the internet, as you know it,exists in its current form.

[Sen. Walter Sobchak]

29. a little gross,

I have family in the porn industry, I have had much too close a look for it to be titillating. Everyone is a bag of shit - there are no "good guys" and those who shoulder the greatest risk are poorly compensated for it. Attitudes towards condoms and drug use are horrifying, many participants lead extremely high risk lifestyles and no frequency of testing is sufficient to protect those they are "performing" with.

The scumbags I am related to are into the stupid girl from Kansas being sodomized in a motel room genre, they are basically girls who came to L.A. thinking they would be cast on the O.C. 15 minutes after stepping off the plane and are in a desperate situation. Many being paid less to "perform" than they would have been for performing the same act behind a dumpster.

[Jamastiene]

30. fun."

:evilgrin:

[eridani]

32. Sexual arousal material that I don't like

If I do like it, it's called "erotica."

[cliffordu]

180. LOL....Yep.

[Cairycat]

33. Not always harmless fun

It is like alcohol in that it can overwhelm the lives of susceptible individuals. Pornography addiction is real and the pain it causes is also real.

And no, I have no desire to censor pornography - who defines it, and what good would that do anyway?

What I would like though, is for people to realize that it does affect an individual's outlook on sexuality and potentially can (for some) become something that satisfies less and less, despite greater consumption. And realize that it's a poor way for children to learn about sexuality. so filtering computers that children have access to is a good idea.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

34. none of my business.

[Puglover]

35. Great!

For about 12 minutes. :evilgrin:

[Caliman73]

77. Like the porn review skit on SNL...

At first I found it interesting, interesting, very interesting, Very interesting, VERY INTERESTING...then suddenly I lost interest...:rofl:

[90-percent]

37. answer

....a very difficult industry for all us middle aged bald fat guys to break into. (except for Ron Jeremy - he's grandfathered in!)

-90% Jimmy

[Locut0s]

78. I've never understood the popularity of Jon Jeremy. I mean we may be straight but.....

that doesn't mean I want the naked guy in the scene to be some fat hairy plummer. Yuck.

[cliffordu]

182. That WAS his appeal.

For every fat ugly guy covered in hair out there he represented the fantasy that he, too could really score that nasty sex with the porn queens of the time.

And, he could suck himself off.

[crazyjoe]

38. big buisness

[Toucano]

39. like all things, best taken in moderation. EOM

[Fumesucker]

40. Extremely likely to infect your computer with malware of some hideous sort..

Or at least so I hear.. :evilgrin:

[MineralMan]

41. In the eye (and underwear) of the beholder.

[TheMightyFavog]

42. the reason the Internet was invented.

:hide:

[peekaloo]

43. the way to a man's hard

wait.....

[H2O Man]

44. filthy,

if done correctly."

[Rebubula]

185. AWESOME

Best response in the thread...

[Tim01]

45. Cheaper than a date.nt

[NorthCarolina]

154. LOL....

[blogslut]

46. legal

:hi:

[gmoney]

167. at least temporarily

[LatteLibertine]

47. Something I don't waste time or money on

[LoZoccolo]

48. an effective topic with which to start popcorn threads.

:popcorn:

[theophilus]

50. Counter-productive to human progress in more important areas. n/t

[olegramps]

51. something everyone abhors being "forced" to watch.

[Norrin Radd]

157. ...women always getting it on the face while in a subservient position

at the end of every film.

[cliffordu]

176. Bzzzt. Wrong. See comstock films.

[TCJ70]

52. a strange phenomenon. n/t

[azmouse]

53. Boring.

[Codeine]

54. The fourth studio album by The Cure. nt

[KittyWampus]

55. the developmentally disabled sibling of erotic art.

[ensho]

66. kick

nt

[lefthandedlefty]

57. getting boring

[ThatsMyBarack]

58. GUILTY of RUINING TV!

With potty-mouth bleeping body-part blurring sexual crud that "sells"? :mad:

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

59. "...the history of the piston engine" - Pauline Kael

[LeftHander]

60. ...probably on your husband's computer."

[WestSeattle2]

62. improving one-handed typing

[slackmaster]

63. ...a crutch for immature people.

:nuke:

[ensho]

64. a symptom

nt

[Joe the Revelator]

65. why my wrists are so strong.

[ensho]

67. lol

nt

[Warren DeMontague]

133. Even the would be censors who are outraged get wrist exercise

from all the hand-wringing over it.

[Jennicut]

68. strange because my husband's old friend from college is a porn star

Totally true story. We are shocked beyond belief and will never look at pornos in the same way again.

[cliffordu]

183. Tell the truth, now, ya had to watch JUST ONE tape, right?

I couldn't stand myself, Id have to see....

But then I'm a prevert, so...

[Behind the Aegis]

70. ..over-politicized, ill-defined, and used by BOTH sides as a weapon.

[Marr]

72. Just another industry.

I actually did some work for porn early in my career (not as an actor, as a graphic designer)-- and I was blown away by two things:

1. The budgets were fucking fantastic, considering what they were asking for.
2. The people were just like those selling any other product.

I met several performers as well, and they seemed just fine to me. I liked them-- they were very self-confident and upbeat. And why shouldn't they be? They were raking it in.

[DutchLiberal]

73. ... the best invention since the wheel!

[adamuu]

74. safe sex.

[woo me with science]

76. highly variable in quality.

Most of it is highly disappointing, but when it's good, it's very, very good.

[Tindalos]

79. over rated. nt.

[flvegan]

80. Hopelessly boring and unrealistic.

[WeDidIt]

81. Geeky, and I can prove it.

Playing D&D With Porn Stars

And as we all know, there is nothing in the world geekier than D&D.

[lib2DaBone]

82. ..like watching another guest from the American Enterprise Institure on C-SPAN.

[Sabriel]

83. I was hoping the DU ad at the bottom would be related

Sadly, no.

[Terra Alta]

84. something that a lot of people enjoy

but that really isn't my thing.

[Withywindle]

85. possibly the oldest human arts genre.

I bet the first cave painting of all time looked a lot like something you'd see on a bathroom wall today.

[proteus_lives]

86. just another part of life.

[Truth2Tell]

87. ...profitable even in the down times. nt

[Warren DeMontague]

89. A societal evil on about the same level as pot smoking.

As in, not really.

[hunter]

90. ... boring, isolating.

I think for every healthy yin there is a healthy yang, even if she wants to handcuff you to the bedposts, paint you up like a mime, take polaroid pictures, and lick Reddi Wip off your nipples as she recites hideously bad slavic love poetry as you pretend to be Bond, James Bond, 007, of your Queens secret service... while wearing boots with pink shoe laces.

[Fuzz]

91. My job

;)

[KonaKane]

92. the surest way to get rich, besides starting your own religion.

.

[PassingFair]

93. A good way to ruin a marriage. n/t

[KonaKane]

95. or enhance it

...just sayin...

[PassingFair]

102. Your mileage may vary. n/t

[Warren DeMontague]

132. Probably a good way to ruin a marriage is to not have that conversation beforehand.

Along with a few others.

"by the way, I like to look at pictures of naked people fucking"

A) "WHAT?!?!?"

B) "Yeah, so do I"

[johnaries]

96. GREAT! Look, I'm divorced and not dating anyone. Porn is all I have.

[bertman]

97. great for a hilarious thread on DU. nt

[haele]

98. In the eye of the beholder -

Some people get off on violence, some people get off on adrenaline, some people get off on titillation, some people get off on in your face sex - and some people get off on chocolate.
Me, I know what I think is erotica and what I think is pornography.
I don't know, nor do I care, what other people think is pornography so long as it doesn't include hurting or exploiting other creatures.
What others think -
:shrug:

Haele

[RedCloud]

99. an indication we should be more initimate with one another and not need such visual cues

[The Midway Rebel]

100. a cheap hobby n/t

[Arkana]

103. ...a side effect of free speech.

[cherokeeprogressive]

104. the most fun you can have by yourself while partially clothed.

[jillan]

105. what it is.

[thesquanderer]

107. the surest way to sell a new technology. (n/t)

[CLANG]

108. Not familiar with that term

[Canuckistanian]

109. One industry not likely to get outsourced

At least, not in the participants.

[8 track mind]

127. There is a comedic goldmine in that statement. n/t

[Xithras]

189. Sadly, even porn can be outsourced.

A huge amount of modern porn is produced in Eastern Europe nowadays, where the girls are thin, white, and pretty enough to appeal to American audiences, but work for a fraction of the money demanded by American porn actors. A sizeable percentage of the newer porn on the Internet is produced in Romania, Bulgaria, and Ukraine.

[LeftyMom]

110. usually about as sexy as a root canal.

[LeftyMom]

111. but DIYing it is fun.

[Kitty Herder]

122. Usually even less.

:puke:

[LeftyMom]

130. You haven't seen my dentist.

:rofl:

[Greyhound]

112. ultimately unsatisfying. n/t

[distantearlywarning]

114. a little boring these days, would be better if it wasn't so fake.

Also not worth worrying too much about on a societal level, so long as you're talking about a well-paying industry which uses consenting adults as actors.

Also better when done by amateurs.

[Locut0s]

115. +1 This I'll agree with. Wish it was all armature stuff. nt

[Codeine]

119. Armature?!

HOT!

[Warren DeMontague]

131. Yeah. I'm like, "whoa, there's a kink I've never heard of"

[donheld]

116. Put gay in front of your sentence I'll say yummy.

Straight, then nevermind :D

[Locut0s]

117. Good for you then. It's open ended. Put whatever quality you want in front. nt.

[readmoreoften]

118. Really boring after you work in it for a few years.

[LooseWilly]

120. Sentence seems finished to me...

[TxRider]

121. inevitable

[Kitty Herder]

123. To quote Chomsky:

"Pornography is humiliation and degradation of women."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNlRoaFTHuE

And like Noam Chomsky, I don't see anything to discuss.

[leftstreet]

128. ...

"Eliminate the conditions in which women can't get decent jobs."

Thanks for posting that link!

I'd never heard him on the subject.

:thumbsup:

[Political Heretic]

134. Peopleare free to "humiliate" and "degradate" themeselves if they so chose.

Predictable retort: Many don't chose, but have life in pornography forced on them through coercion, abuse, poverty, etc.

Which is all the more reason why the porn industry should be brought out of the closet and mainstreamed - with responsible regulations, restrictions and employee protections

Predictable report: But its still degrading.

Well, with respect to you and Mr. Chomsky, whom I deeply respect, I really don't think its up to you or me to make those judgments for others.

Some feminists suggesting that your very accusations are in fact sexist, and that its the attempts to constrain and define women's actions and choices - defining their decisions about their bodies to be degrading - to be quite similar to the "a woman's place is in the home" mantra of past generations.

Some see sexual freedom, including the freedom of a women to choose to make her body her "business" - as the pinnacle of empowerment and break from the constraints of a society with really screwed up puritanical attitudes about sex.

And obvious, many feminists disagree.

Which why I think its a decision that should be left to individuals, and not "society" to judge whether it "degrading" to that individual or not.

[blondeatlast]

174. Well said.

:thumbsup:

[stuntcat]

160. ...

yah :thumbsup:

My opinion about it is that it's just dumb :p degrading of our species, not just the women.

[Warren DeMontague]

165. He's just pissed because barely anyone is willing to sit through all of "manufacturing consent"

Much less masturbate to it.

[blondeatlast]

175. Naughty...

I LIKE it! :evilgrin:

[Throd]

169. Chomsky is the ultimate boner-killer.

[cliffordu]

184. Not true in every genre, but don't let that alter your judgement.

[Manifestor_of_Light]

124. gross, boring, unrealistic and demeaning to women and men too.

There, I said it.

[Kitty Herder]

129. +1

[stuntcat]

161. +1

.

[Scurrilous]

125. A leading cause of blindness?

:shrug:

[8 track mind]

126. just peachy, as long as it's viewed in a strict biblical manner.

which i have no idea what that is.....

[shadowknows69]

139. I've seen Nun porn. That must be it.

[8 track mind]

163. Best. Reply. Ever.

LOL!!!!!!!!!!

:rofl:

[pokerfan]

135. free

since 1993.

[Zoeisright]

136. Republican.

[Warren DeMontague]

168. I know several video store workers in Marin who could provide voluminous evidence to the contrary

Those customers aint Republican, and they sure like their smut.

[MrScorpio]

137. In the eye of the beholder

[shadowknows69]

138. All I know is that everyone should be in an orgy, or at least a three-way, once in their lives.

The fantasy is usually better than the reality ends up being, but it's still a lot of fucking fun. :evilgrin:

[Warren DeMontague]

166. *

[blondeatlast]

177. Well, um...

yeah. ;)

[tomm2thumbs]

140. 'distracting' - now what was the question again?

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

141. ...inevitable as long as people are fucking prudes. -nt

[seabeyond]

149. my heads spinning. porn is..... because of the prudes? if there were no prudes, there would

be no porn?

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

150. There would be more SEX, making porn and prostitution unnecessary. -nt

[seabeyond]

152. lol lol... you thinkin people are falling short on the having sex thing?

i have been called prude more times on du than the whole of my life (well, i have never been called prude in RL, lol, only du). and i have sex all the time. i am thinkin prudes are having a lot more sex than given credit. kinda a hoot all and everyone we point the finger with exclamation of prude.

actually, i think it is the porn itself that is replacing the sex and not so much the prudes

chicken or the egg???

i dunno

[Democrat_in_Houston]

153. Definitely know of a couple of marriages where porn replaced sex. UGH

One wife? Don't know here inclinations, but the other wife was definitely not a prude. LOL

It happens way more often than people realize from what I read.

Give me a warm body any day. :)

[seabeyond]

155. lots of talk about the innocuousness of porn

never talk about the damage or problems resulting from it.

[Democrat_in_Houston]

156. Unfortunately, for "some people" the stuff is addictive

I mean...who wants spend hours viewing porn when you have an attractive willing and able partner?

And what really fries my ass is my college daughters telling me that guys expect women's breasts to look like the fake ones. Huh? They see so many of them, they don't relate to a normal B or C cup breast that flattens out a bit when lying down. Apparently, our breasts are suppose to remain like little mountain peaks firmly planted on our chest. :puke: Even well-endowed mainstream actresses are tempted to "implant" for that reason. I'm so glad we are old enough that my husband's eyes weren't "trained" on implants. :(

[seabeyond]

159. point on a couple of the issues. nt

[blondeatlast]

179. LOLing at "fucking prudes." Sounds like an entirely new subcategory of the genre... nt

[donco6]

142. "something you don't talk about on discussion boards"

Unless you want to get yourself into trouble.

[Soylent Brice]

143. "i memorize the words to the porno movies, this is a new religion to me..."

:hide:

[blondeatlast]

144. Like most forms of ebntertainment: often good fun, sometimes thoughtful,

sometimes icky, and occasionally inspirational!

[deutsey]

145. way inferior to good erotica.

[Skidmore]

146. exploitive by those who

amass wealth from it and the laziest way in the world to make a living by those who do it willingly.

[Warren DeMontague]

164. wait a minute. If the people who make a living doing it are "lazy", then who is being exploited?

The lazy people making a living off it?

When I think "exploited", I think paper hats and minimum wage.

[Skidmore]

172. Yes, exploitive.

Especially when it comes to very young people. It demeans women by reinforcing a role of subservience and humiliation. It is the easiest way to make money. It takes no effort to expose yourself either passively or in acts of the most basic acts of human behavior.

[Warren DeMontague]

188. So, should consenting adults be permitted to fuck other consenting adults, or not?

Should consenting adults be permitted to film other consenting adults fucking?

Should consenting adults be permitted to watch films of other consenting adults fucking?

Re: "very young people"-- presuming the debate around porn is about consenting adults, adults being at least 18, how old do you think people need to be before they can make up their own minds about things?

[noamnety]

190. Exploitation was the first thing that came to mind here.

Followed by dehumanizing.

[deacon]

147. Is when you start a senseless war and 100's of thousands of innocents are killed, racism, fox news,

and progandists that run down the need for health care.

[madokie]

148. something for young guys to look at

I guess. Kinda of embarrasses me, who knows why, so I haven't watched much. Show me some video of tearing an old engine down or building something and I'll watch that but pornography not so much.

[madmom]

151. less harmful to society than the 700 club.

[LynneSin]

158. not my cup of tea, but that's just my opinion for myself

I respect others enjoy it - their choice.

[Scout]

162. pretty boring, and the people are ridiculous. n/t

[jkirch]

170. ...fantasy material. nt

[negativenihil]

171. "awesome" n/t

[Tailormyst]

173. In need of more creative writers.

[Confusious]

194. I don't think the "actors" are there

for their acting skills.

[booley]

181. like hugo chavez and gun control

all great ways to start an endless thread

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

186. Ahem.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x7568472

[Rebubula]

187. RULE 34

Look it up

[Froward69]

191. Pornography is ______________

less expensive than a date, never says no and protected Free Speech.


YES I have been in situations that were worthy of immortalizing on videotape. knowwhatImean? Wink Wink.

[MrSlayer]

192. For teenaged boys and other people who aren't getting any real action.

I see no use for it other than whacking material.

[DailyGrind51]

193. analogous to the "supply-side" theory of economics