Sad that after gaining majorities in both houses and the presidency,

[MoonRiver]

we are still talking about leaving the country. :(

[jaxx]

1. I'm not going anywhere.

Why the hell would an American bail on his/her country? Cause they didn't like something and feel cheated? Get in line, the good ship lollypop sailed a long time ago.

[laughingliberal]

17. There have always been those who saw encroaching fascism in their countries and got out

once it became obvious it could not be turned back. Some tried to sound the alarms and were marginalized, silenced, and/or ridiculed. At that point they decided if their country people wanted to go down that path they could go without them.

When we encounter those who left when they saw what was coming, we admire them as being smarter than their countrymen.

Why would people bail? Perhaps they don't want to live under a fascist system.

[whattheidonot]

18. competition.

countries are in competition. if a country can offer a better deal to a citizen and that citizens home country is not doing enough to keep the citizens stable then it becomes a consideration to leave. Or to seek out a better community here . Problem is many places no longer have local government communities. Suburbs have split off into many local governments. they have their own government. So you get pockets that have it all and others with nothing.

[endless october]

2. i'm sticking around.

The work goes on.

[MoonRiver]

3. We can't leave.

The closest we've come to leaving was during *'s reign of terror. My husband and I definitely talked about it. BUT, if we could we probably would. I'm so p.o.'d about the state of our union, which appears to be by the corporations, for the corporations and of the corporations. :puke:

[izquierdista]

4. I came back for Obama

but after 8 months, I'm ready to leave again. I spent most of Dubya's second term out of the country and saw that life can be better elsewhere. Now that I have had a chance to see what Obama's priorities are, I can tell it's time to pack up and go someplace that has more health care and less military.

[whattheidonot]

11. too much.

Obama tried to have it all. economy, health care,stimulus, war, deficit spending. it is not possible. You cannot prop up that many things. he has committed to the war. The war was already costing lots. Something had to give. you cannot have all this stuff and have any kind of economy. the dirty little secret is there will not be much employment as thing stand. Corporations are invested abroad and the war effort supports this. Drop the war and start producing on own energy. corporations are not ready to this yet. economy has to hit the bottom 1st.

[datasuspect]

5. this is all prelude to the installation of the idiocracy

palin will be the next president.

just watch.

it ALL seems like a big setup.

the 2000 coup never ended.

[Jackpine Radical]

6. I think 2000 was just another stage in the coup that began

in about 1948 with the CIA. The Kennedy Assassination was an earlier stage in the same coup, and I now believe that Watergate was staged to take Nixon down after he became too independent and unpredictable. If you don't know that Bob Woodward is CIA, then you ought to.


Actually, it could easily be dated to long before WWII. The attempted coup against FDR that was foiled by Smedley Butler was not doubt part of the sequence.

[datasuspect]

8. you are probably right

but i mark the death of the united states back in 2000.

that's when they came out of the darkness and made it all too real. the "inyourfaceness" of it was the most compelling (and chilling) aspect of it.

[azmouse]

7. I'm not leaving and I never had any intention of doing so.

Ever.

[agent46]

9. If jobs don't start coming back

If jobs don't start coming back, when the unemployment extensions run out in a year or so we may see a new phenomenon - economic refugees from Amerika. Who will take our tired, our poor, our huddled masses yearning to breathe free? Who will welcome the wretched refuse of our teeming shores?

Can't think of a single potential candidate country off-hand.

At this rate, 2010 may become a watershed year for "change" that has little to do with the on-going political side show in Washington D.C.!

[The River]

10. I Hear You

How bad did things have to get before our ancestors
left their countries of origin? What did they hope to find?
Political freedom?
Religious freedom? (or freedom from religion?)
Economic opportunity?
Freedom from starvation?

Unless you are a Native American or your ancestors
were brought here against their will then at some point
your grandparents or great grandparents made a
conscious decision to leave where they were and come here.

If you like corporate fascism, toxic food products, mindless
entertainment masking as culture and rampant consumerism, no problem.
If you'd rather live in a more people oriented society where
free higher education, guaranteed medical care, safe food
and strong worker rights are the norm, more power to you.

I was recently forced to retire and although I won't give
up my citizenship I will probably live overseas 90% of the time.

[treestar]

12. If they didn't leave during Bushco

they aren't leaving now.

[peace frog]

19. Don't be too sure

Spouse and I couldn't leave under BushCo: jobs, a mortgage and children kept us here. The alarming, growing realization that a Democratic majority means nothing at all, that the abuses of previous years will continue and possibly escalate, has left us with serious doubts about the wisdom of remaining. It's a huge decision and of course we are ambilvalent and resistant, but it appears likelier all the time that the choice may be made for us sooner rather than later.

Edit to add: please do not stand in judgement against those who are wavering as I am. Sharing these doubts and fears is not an invitation to excoriate. Thanks in advance.

[treestar]

22. Where can you go that will take you and is better?

And has no right wingers that will ever get power again?

[peace frog]

23. Good questions

That and many more are under discussion and review. And yes, life is risk no matter where you live it. Exploring the possibilities of living elsewhere is worthwhile, whether or not we make the actual move.

[Jackpine Radical]

13. Depends on how you define "we."

I'm thinking more and more that the "we" group is much smaller than we once thought.

Feingold, Grayson, Kucinich, Sanders, Maxine Waters, Tammy Baldwin & some others are definitely "we." Bayh, Baucus, both Nelsons, and a whole roster of others are not.

[NNN0LHI]

14. Who is we?

[MoonRiver]

20. the DU community. I'll try to edit.

[jpak]

15. Some folks are perpetual malcontents and whiners and will never be happy no matter what

I'm glad we have a Democratic President and Congress.

the naysayers are fools

[laughingliberal]

21. Yes. I'm sure those who were hitting the trail during the rise of fascism in other countries were

seen this way by their countrymen at the time. I'll be glad when our Democratic President and Congress start turning away from their current direction. House has been making a good stab at it but the administration and the Senate are full speed ahead on the kind of policies which got us where we are.

[Codeine]

16. What do you mean "we", kemosabe?

I ain't goin' anywhere. The weak-willed are encouraged to go, however.

[proteus_lives]

24. +1 We don't need the rabbits.

I'm not going anywhere either.