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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-24-10 05:04 PM
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The Senate Bill does have something for adults with preexisting conditions prior to 2014.
Edited on Sun Jan-24-10 05:11 PM by Pirate Smile
A national high risk pool will be available within 90 days of enactment for people with preexisting conditions.

Hat tip to Make7 for Title I, Subtitle B, Section 1101 - Immediate Actions to Preserve and Expand Coverage

Subtitle B—Immediate Actions to Preserve and Expand Coverage

SEC. 1101. IMMEDIATE ACCESS TO INSURANCE FOR UNINSURED INDIVIDUALS WITH A PREEXISTING CONDITION.


(a) IN GENERAL.—Not later than 90 days after the date of enactment of this Act, the Secretary shall establish a temporary high risk health insurance pool program to provide health insurance coverage for eligible individuals during the period beginning on the date on which such program is established and ending on January 1, 2014.

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(d) ELIGIBLE INDIVIDUAL.—An individual shall be deemed to be an eligible individual for purposes of this section if such individual—


(1) is a citizen or national of the United States or is lawfully present in the United States (as determined in accordance with section 1411);

(2) has not been covered under creditable coverage (as defined in section 2701(c)(1) of the Public Health Service Act as in effect on the date of enactment of this Act) during the 6-month period prior to the date on which such individual is applying for coverage through the high risk pool; and

(3) has a pre-existing condition, as determined in a manner consistent with guidance issued by the Secretary.


This includes a discussion of both the House and Senate Bills regarding this issue. Obviously, now we are only talking about the Senate Bill plus what could be included in a patch passed through Reconcilliation in the Senate.


COVERAGE: Creating A Temporary National High-Risk Pool
Author(s): Meredith Hughes

The passage of health reform will extend coverage to a vast majority of the currently uninsured over the next decade. But if you’ve been paying attention to the various health care reform implementation timelines floating around, you know that the health insurance exchanges won’t start until 2013 or 2014 for the House and Senate bills, respectively. (Though there are a number of immediate benefits available in both bills.)

So how is health reform going to get insurance to those who can’t wait another few years? The answer lies creating a national high-risk insurance pool, which Karen Pollitz describes in a recent Kaiser Family Foundation issue brief, Issues for Structuring Interim High-Risk Pools.


What is a high-risk pool? High-risk insurance pools actually already exist in many states (35, according to Pollitz). State high-risk pools serve as a safety net -- those who are denied coverage in the individual insurance market because of a pre-existing condition can still buy into the state-sponsored high-risk pool.


How will risk pools work under health reform? Both the House and Senate bills will create a temporary national (rather than state-based) high-risk pool as soon as reform passes. As we’ve mentioned before, high-risk pools work better as a temporary stopgap rather than a plan for providing health insurance coverage in the long term. The national high-risk pool will extend state high-risk pool protection to a national level. Unlike the state high-risk pools, that tend to charge higher premiums than most plans, the national risk pool will be more balanced and less costly. Pollitz describes a number of policy strategies those designing a national high-risk insurance pool should consider:


Eligibility. Most state pools admit individuals who either a) submit proof that they have been denied coverage due to a pre-existing condition, or b) show they have applied recently for insurance and been subjected to ‘adverse underwriting actions’ such as limited benefits or excessively high premiums. Some states accept enrollees based on a general list of conditions that make people uninsurable (such as diabetes or pregnancy). Pollitz suggests a similar list for the national pool would ease transition, and save people from the trouble of applying for and getting rejected from a private insurer. Additionally, most states use the state high-risk pool to provide mandatory coverage to HIPAA-eligible individuals or those eligible for the federal Health Coverage Tax Credit. Pollitz suggests extending this practice into the national risk pool, to maintain stability.


Crowd Out. High-risk pools must strike a careful balance -- accepting individuals who can’t get adequate coverage (or any coverage at all) -- while at the same time discouraging health plans and employers from entirely avoiding expensive customers. Different states have different standards for admittance to risk pools. For example, some states allow employees to enroll in the high-risk pool during the waiting period before their employer based coverage starts. Pollitz supports a similar provision that exists in the House bill -- if the goal of the risk pool is seamless coverage, the national risk pool should provide coverage to individuals who are still waiting for their employer-based insurance to kick in. Other ways to fight crowd out include an ‘anti-dumping’ provision in the House bill that allows the HHS Secretary to investigate allegations employees are being inappropriately pushed into the national risk pool. Pollitz cautions against the Senate provision that requires everyone in the national risk pool prove they have been uninsured in the past, as it may discriminate against those who are sick but only recently lost their coverage.


How much will it cost? State high-risk pool premiums are calculated based on the “standard rate” of what most private health plans charge for a similar type of coverage. The risk pool premiums tend to be 125 to 200 percent higher than the standard rates, which deters some individuals from entering the pool. Pollitz encourages a review of the methodology used to calculate the standard rate and the pool rate: policymakers could either prioritize ample enrollment and lower pool premiums to promote affordability, or prioritize low program costs for the national risk pool by charging high premiums.


Subsidies and funding. The House and Senate bills both provide about $5 billion dollars to subsidize the cost of coverage in the national high-risk pool. Neither bill specifies whether or not individuals in the pool will be able to get the same kind of low-income subsidies that will be provided in the new health insurance exchange, but the uninsured often have low-incomes and will probably need assistance purchasing insurance. Pollitz suggests the national pool could offer premium cost sharing -- letting a third party like a community health center, hospital, or even the state pick up the tab for some patients. Pollitz writes that additional funding for the national risk pool could be appropriated from money set aside to assist current state risk pools ($75 million per year), or national risk pools could be granted access to the prescription drug discounts in health reform. Additional changes, such as suspending enrollment or altering benefits, could be made at the discretion of the HHS Secretary.


Consumer protection and benefits. Pollitz suggests that the temporary high-risk pool should feature the same consumer protections made available by health reform, such as prompt payment of claims, clear and understandable language explaining health plan policies, and an appeals process that makes sure consumers can fight back if they are being taken advantage of by their insurer. The national pool is required to include the same benefit standards guaranteed by health reform, so Pollitz suggests a tiered system, where people in the risk pool can pay more to get greater benefits.


The national high-risk pool presents a good opportunity for learning about how the provisions of health reform due to be implemented in a few years will work in practice, Pollitz concludes. Through information sharing, we can carry on any policy successes in the national risk pool to later stages of reform, and discard any failures -- especially those that are shown to harm the vulnerable populations health reform seeks to help.

For a more detailed look, check out the full issue brief here.

http://health.newamerica.net/blogposts/2010/coverage_creating_a_temporary_national_high_risk_pool-26212
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-24-10 05:11 PM
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1. Can't imagine why anyone would unrec this? Please K and R folks.
:kick:
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-24-10 05:15 PM
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2. Why does it have to be so fucking complicated?
God damn.
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-24-10 05:29 PM
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5. Because it is complicated. Because everything has ricochet effects throughout the system.
Edited on Sun Jan-24-10 05:31 PM by Pirate Smile
If you just pulled in the people with preexisting conditions without pulling in even more healthy people also paying premiums, everyone's insurance premiums would go way up.

It is just f#$king complicated. I wish it wasn't. :)
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Generator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-24-10 05:39 PM
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8. You didn't answer why, just defended big Insurance companies
Edited on Sun Jan-24-10 05:39 PM by Generator
Why? Do you work for them? YES, Insurance companies as they exist in America are evil. WE CAN SAY THE TRUTH. Not the people that work for them-they are just people. But the corporation, the reason it exists is for PROFIT. They should exist to provide a tiny tiny profit for the purpose of HEALTH CARE instead of huge profits at the expense of death and suffering. As a Democrat and a human, I find that immoral.

I don't appreciate double speak that defends immoral practices.
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-24-10 05:49 PM
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10. No, I don't work for them. I just think that the best we can do right now is to pass the
Edited on Sun Jan-24-10 06:40 PM by Pirate Smile
Senate Bill and then do Reconcilliation to try to incorporate as many changes as possible which the House wanted.

I don't want the past year to end with nothing like happened in 1994.

I think philosophical arguments that will just continue the status quo with no improvement for the people desperate for help are unhelpful at this point when we could actually help a lot of people.

I guess the main issue is what is your Main Priority - getting coverage for the uninsured and protections for the insured or punishing Insurance Companies. I pick the first option.
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Generator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-24-10 05:33 PM
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6. Because you must jump through hoops
to insure that insurance companies make huge profits every year. (if it was easy they would have to pay out more-give more health care and less people would be sick and die-but less profit-they exist for profit for themselves not for health care-also known as an immoral scam that is the shame of America)

It's about them, silly, not you.
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-24-10 05:20 PM
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3. It will be interesting to see what the eligible pre-existing conditions are
and if the premium is anywhere near the ballpark of affordability. New Hampshire has a high risk pool and my husband, who has type 2 diabetes, is not eligible. I have a severely deteriorated hip and have had Lyme Disease. Not covered under the high risk pool. I'm not optimistic.
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Raineyb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-24-10 05:23 PM
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4. If it's anything like the high risk pool for auto insurance
it'll be highly expensive, have a shit load of riders, and have co-pays and deductibles so high they wouldn't be able to use it after paying the premiums in the first place.
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Make7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-24-10 05:34 PM
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7. Link to the Senate bill as passed:
Edited on Sun Jan-24-10 05:36 PM by Make7
http://democrats.senate.gov/reform/patient-protection-affordable-care-act-as-passed.pdf   (4.27 Mb)

Subtitle B, Section 1101 starts on page 45.
 
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noamnety Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-24-10 05:39 PM
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9. Are we supposed to take this seriously?
"Pollitz suggests the national pool could offer premium cost sharing -- letting a third party like a community health center, hospital, or even the state pick up the tab for some patients."

They will LET a hospital or the state pick up the tab for some patients?
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Faryn Balyncd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-24-10 07:00 PM
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11. Just GREAT - You lose your insurance & SIX (6) (sic) MONTHS LATER you get to APPLY for this pool --
Edited on Sun Jan-24-10 07:05 PM by Faryn Balyncd
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Faryn Balyncd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-24-10 07:03 PM
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13. MEANWHILE, you get to pay the 250-600% HIGHER PRICES charged to the uninsured by providers:
Edited on Sun Jan-24-10 07:10 PM by Faryn Balyncd
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-24-10 07:02 PM
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12. Pah they can do a temporary national high risk pool but they can't
do a permanent national everybody pool.

Useless
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-24-10 07:04 PM
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14. 'The risk pool premiums tend to be 125 to 200 percent higher than the standard rates' - ROBUST!
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Faryn Balyncd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-24-10 07:14 PM
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15. Once your insurance gets CANCELLED, what is the rationale that you must go w/o coverage FOR 6 MO's ?
Edited on Sun Jan-24-10 07:17 PM by Faryn Balyncd


.....before you can apply for the high risk pool? (and be subjected for at least 6 months to the price gouging rates charged to those denied insurance or otherwise uninsured??)


Wasn't the industry lobbyist who wrote this bill a genius?




:kick:



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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-24-10 07:19 PM
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16. Surely nobody with a pre-existing condition needs medical care for those 6 months.
Maybe they can be offered a piece of wood to bit on if in pain for the meanwhile.
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Faryn Balyncd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-24-10 07:21 PM
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17. Surely.....
Edited on Sun Jan-24-10 07:22 PM by Faryn Balyncd
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-24-10 07:53 PM
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18. This had to have spotlight shone on it:
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deaniac21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-24-10 08:29 PM
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19. Doesn't really matter since it is DEAD.
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-24-10 10:54 PM
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20. Not yet.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-24-10 10:57 PM
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21. This is going to be a millstone around the Democrats necks for years to come
as well it should be.
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