******* OFFICIAL SOTU THREAD #4 *******

[blogslut]

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[mvd]

1. Yea!

Said bringing troops home from Iraq. That war is ending.

[GCP]

2. I give him an A

Better speech, all in all, than I expected

[RoccoR5955]

28. I give him a solid B

I gave Bush an F each of his 8 times.
Obama fell short on several points, but...
At least he could pronounce all the words, and he spoke more coherently, as our president should.

[Beartracks]

33. Self Delete - wrong spot

[aquart]

3. All of our troops are coming home?

Or going to Afghanistan and Yemen?

[MissDeeds]

8. Exactly

Shell game alert

[shadowknows69]

14. My second cousins husband was switched from Iraq to Afghanistan

And allowed one week home between time. One week. Gone again for another eight months.

[MissDeeds]

17. Beyond sad

My prayers are with them.

[shadowknows69]

32. Thank you MissDeeds. Very appreciated.

[JonLP24]

11. I'm not sure about Afghanistan

Getting out of Iraq is a good sign. Would like a timeline for Afghanistan.

[GreenPartyVoter]

12. Good question. Some clarification on that would be helpful.

[amandabeech]

16. How many troops and contractors in the taxpayer employ will remain.

I want numbers and dollar signs.

If we save a lot by bringing them home, then why is freezing spending so important. We're talking about a lot of money here.

[JonLP24]

4. August!!

I was waiting for him to mention a time line. I hope it happens!!

[blogslut]

5. If, after this one

...there's a need for a #5, someone else is going to havbe to post it. I gotta hit the store before it closes.

A good time to post one is when the reply count gets to 150. That way the folks on dial-up won't have to wait forever for the thread to load.

[TCJ70]

6. I'll get it. n/t

[gateley]

9. Thanks so much for doing this! Pick me up a pint of Ben and Jerry's. nt

[GCP]

Thanks for a great job, Blogslut!

:loveya:

[tridim]

7. I'm going to watch Faux a bit tonight for a laugh.

Out of the ballpark.

[NYC_SKP]

10. Smack Down some Dems, Smack Down Repubs, Smack Down SCOTUS... BOOM!

And all with a smile on his face.

:applause:

Well done.

[GCP]

15. Very good speech - this was the Obama I voted for

:applause:

[spanone]

13. thanks blogslut!!!!!

:yourock:

[Rhiannon12866]

18. "We will have all of our combat troops out of Iraq by this August..."

:applause:

[gkhouston]

93. did he say "August"? I thought he said, "office" as in "by the time I leave the Presidency".

Damn, this cold is worse than I thought.

[Rhiannon12866]

97. Nope, he said August...

But he did specify "combat troops." He alluded to maintaining a presence there to help out the Iraqi government. Just my thought, but I wouldn't be at all surprised if they were to ask everybody to leave sooner rather than later...

I sympathize with your cold. My sinus infection is hanging on and I still can't hear out of my left ear. :pals:

[Robb]

19. DADT!!

[Richard D]

23. and two repukes applauded.

[tilsammans]

Yay!

:applause:

[Lisa0825]

27. w00t!

:woohoo:

[bdamomma]

101. yes, finally he touched on DADT.

:thumbsup: for gay people!!

[Lisa0825]

103. I just hope he follows through!

FSM knows it would never even be a possibility under rethug admin.

[W_HAMILTON]

29. This is your year, gay people!

What do you want to bet that it's not really our year?

I would be surprised if DADT is dealt with this year. We'll see.

[countmyvote4real]

20. We're teaching science abroad?

1. I hoping we're not using TX schoolbooks.

[amandabeech]

52. A lot of folks want to spend that money here.

I wonder why he put it in.

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[crispini]

22. Hell YEAH. Repeal DADT THIS FUCKING YEAR!

YOU GO OBAMA.

[fishwax]

38. DO IT!

[Smashcut]

24. Obama commits to work w/ Congress for repeal of DADT this year.

[shadowknows69]

34. Just like he promised to do on the campaign trail.

[JonLP24]

25. Repeal the law?

Sounds like a good idea to me.

[bullwinkle428]

26. FINALLY...something on DADT!

[RoccoR5955]

39. what does Divided Attention Driving Tests have anything to do about this speech? n/t

[TommyO]

45. I really hope you just forgot your sarcasm smilie

[spanone]

dadt....there you go

[fishwax]

30. I'm surprised the repubs didn't clap for the "strengthen our borders" bit

:shrug:

[Gregorian]

36. They were still recovering from "gays in the military". Boo hoo...

:)

[TCJ70]

Where are they going to get cheap labor if they do? n/t

[Gregorian]

31. There's a lot of dead looking Republican bodies there tonight. Liven up yourselves!

Man, they didn't like the idea of gays in the military. Sheesh.

[bleever]

44. Zombies who haven't gotten enough brains to eat.

Bleah.

[fishwax]

35. each time a CEO rewards himself for failing ...

:grr:

[notesdev]

37. This speech sucks

It's supposed to be a "State of the Union" as in a report of the progress made over the past year. This is a f-ing campaign speech. Anyone who was not a personality cultist has tuned out by now.

[NYC Liberal]

Um, WTF?

:wtf:

Do you not know what a State of the Union is? It's not just to give a laundry list of what's happened. If you want, look at the Constitution: "He shall ... recommend to their Consideration such Measures as he shall judge necessary and expedient"

[notesdev]

50. He hasn't said a damn thing

about the state of the union.

All he's done is give a laundry list of promises that he won't keep any more than he kept the last set of promises.

[NYC Liberal]

111. Bullshit, now I know that you didn't watch a minute of it

if you suggest "He hasn't said a damn thing about the state of the union." Period. Anyone who actually watched the speech would have to be lying to claim that.

[Go2Peace]

112. Charismatic it was, but you see what is obvious.

What concerned me most was the exaultation of core conservative ideology. It is funny how when "one of our own" says it, people don't recognize it. Globalism, a new offshore drilling push, "no new taxes", cut domestic spending but don't touch military spending.... these are all

CORE FUCKING REPUBLICAN IDEAS, and the ones that got us here.

I LOVE Democratic Party values and yearn for Obama to actually fix on them instead....

It was good to see him come out harder, but I don't want a bulldog protecting my yard if he tears apart our own house in the process. I'll take substance over drama.

[BlueIdaho]

47. Your first SOTU then?

[notesdev]

61. Closer to my 30th

Now Bill Clinton, he knew how to give a SOTU speech, and it was actually about the state of the union.

This speech isn't, and he is failing to meet the Constitutional requirement.

[BlueIdaho]

84. You need to go back and watch Clinton's SOTU addresses

No better, no worse re: content.

My 50th by the way.

[RoccoR5955]

48. not really... do a rewind on Bush's and you will see

that they are the same.
He did a decent job... Going over how things are, and what he aims to do in the following year. It's quite appropriate.

[fishwax]

51. not really that odd for an SOTU speech

:shrug:

[tridim]

66. Thanks for outing yourself. Plonk.

[notesdev]

98. We'll see how you feel

after he betrays everything he promised today, just like he did with everything he promised in the campaign.

[Go2Peace]

113. I am going to watch it again

Maybe I missed some promises. I saw a lot of pledges lacking specifics and a very few policy promises. And of the actual policy specifics were "no tax increases", offshore drilling, more pursuit of the libertarian global free trade ideas, coal and nuclear.

It did seem like he will roll out more money for alternative energy and small business grants and help with college costs. These are all values that we would have gotten even from someone like McCain.

Repealing DADT, that is not an idea that comes from the right, but it really is not something they are too concerned about as well, as long as Obama did not discuss Gay Marriage specifically, which *would* have been a Democratic Value. I just did not see much except a "positioning" speech.

But I was kind of upset with the lack of Democratic Party Policy points half way through. Honestly, I suppose I could have missed some promises, but I suspect I did not. I will watch it again.

[Kajsa]

106. Exactly!

This is the reaction Republicans gave
on the air.

Hmm------

[Kajsa]

105. No it's not.

He outlined where we're at now,
what needs to be done, and
any specifics to get the job done.

The Repubs are claiming this is a
nothing new campaign speech but
what do they offer us?

NOTHING, NADA,ZIP!

[spanone]

122. this post sucks

[crispini]

40. .

No wonder there's so much cynicism out there.

No wonder there's so much disappointment.

I campaigned on the promise of change — change we can believe in, the slogan went. And right now, I know there are many Americans who aren't sure if they still believe we can change — or at least, that I can deliver it.

Yes, I teared up.

[bdamomma]

104. yea, he knows what is going on.

those filthy repigs need a good kicking to the curb, what bipartisanship???? with those arrogant men?

[Beartracks]

41. Interesting response on equality issues...

GOP sits through cheering about letting gays serve openly in the military, but stand to cheer the idea of gender pay equality.

:wtf:

[fishwax]

46. yeah, I was like: have you guys forgotten you hate women?

:wtf:

[RoccoR5955]

54. not me... I just hate all Hewmannz.

I'm from Sigma Ceres IV.

[amandabeech]

59. No mention of age discrimination, either.

[Stand and Fight]

42. Jebus... Somebody poke the Republicans with a stick.

Is it alive?

[RoccoR5955]

58. A cattle prod would do a better job... or better yet, a Taser! n/t

[Gregorian]

43. What a man! Speaking with a nation like it's a conversation with each one. Brilliant. And honest.

[Bluerthanblue]

60. +1

:hi:

[Gregorian]

92. HEY! Hello dear friend!

:)

[Matariki]

49. Great speech

hope congress is listening.

[valerief]

56. Lobbyists don;t pay them to listen. nt

[Bluerthanblue]

53. this speech is one of his very best- not a real "feel good" one,

but the one that needed to be said- AND heard.

I salute our President. I'm proud of him, his humility, honesty and courage.

[crispini]

64. the end was hard

but very touching.

this man knows what's going on.

my confidence is restored.

[GCP]

68. YES!

[lib2DaBone]

55. Great speech.. but Republicans are not going to play nice because we ask them to..

Republicans interpret common sense and decency as a weakness...

[NoFace]

62. He should be doing something like this every other week...just to run their noses in it! NT

[BadgerKid]

75. He called for monthly meetings

with the added bit of sarcasm that he knew just how much the congress members look forward to these things.

[aquart]

80. Rub

[bdamomma]

102. they will have their backs up more, what arrogant bastards they are!!!

[sunnybrook]

57. CBS just showed Lieberman

Barely missed the tv with the tomatoes!

[GCP]

65. LOL

:rofl:

[Gregorian]

63. I'll accept this man as my president. I DO.

There is no doubt.

[RoccoR5955]

72. Certainly better than the last resident of the White House.

However, not my first choice.
I'd have preferred Kucinich myself.

[Gregorian]

88. He was my vote in the primaries.

Kucinich speaks for me. I dream of that kind of country. Department of Peace. Man, that would be a world.

[RoccoR5955]

67. Where was Joe Wilson?

Was he banned from this speech, or did they just put a sock in his mouth?

[Stand and Fight]

77. Saw him. He stood up and applauded at one point.

Don't remember when.

[omega minimo]

:cry:

[countmyvote4real]

69. wow. we all got spanked. cool. n/t

[deek]

99. (sigh)

Wouldn't it have been wonderful?

Kucinich would've caused the conservatives to all have to be admitted to ER because of their hemmie attacks.

The Dept of Peace concept feels so right!

[omega minimo]

70. .

:cry:

[crispini]

73. He gets it. He understands

He knows what we're talking about.

I'm glad.

[NoFace]

78. Well...he kept his head facing the bipartisan direction but he's got 2 ton balls thats for sure, and

he's a wonderful speaker. Totally shored up any doubts I had about his vision.

[crispini]

82. yeah, he's still going that road

which is annoying -- but the end really got me.

[TCJ70]

86. Even though there was a bipartisan slant...

...he still didn't hesitate to call out both parties on their stalling and idiocy. If he can keep up that kind of pressure (and maybe a bit more) and keep his message out there to the public more consistently, we may just actually see some good change.

[omega minimo]

94. "keep his message out there to the public more consistently"

[omega minimo]

85. He stepped up and spoke to us and spoke to history.

:thumbsup:

[Beartracks]

71. I so wanted someone at the end to...

... start a U-S-A chant!

:applause: :applause: :applause:

[inna]

74. WTF??

why are all of your threads getting locked?? what's the point???


FUCK. i won't even open another thread of yours.

[GoCubsGo]

79. The OP requested it be locked.

If you scroll down to the bottom of the thread, the moderators always say why the thread is being locked.

[inna]

108. delete

[fishwax]

81. they were locked because they were getting too large to load quickly

It usually happens with threads covering live events, as a courtesy to people with slower connections and to keep the threads readable. :hi:

[crispini]

83. Is this your first time here on a big night?

Important threads get locked after about 150 replies and a new thread is started for those people who are on slow loading connection. It's pretty normal around here.l

[inna]

110. EVER.

what a fucking waste of time.

i'm really slightly pissed at this absurdity, blogslut (or whatever the fuck your name is.)

:thumbsdown:

:thumbsdown:

[blogslut]

114. Are you kidding me?

Look, I'm sorry you weren't aware of how ***OFFICIAL*** threads are run, but others here have explained why they're locked. If you're pissed, that's your problem.

Yes. My DU nickname is blogslut.

[inna]

116. dude, I'm NOT kidding.

the only reason i'm (slightly) pissed is that i even attempted to participate in your ridiculousness tonight.


won't make such mistake ever again, rest assured.


:thumbsdown:

:thumbsdown:

[blogslut]

118. Okay

But, as others above told you, these kinds of thread are locked so they won't get so large that they become impossible for people on dial-up to download. It's standard practice here on DU and not an idea that originated with me. Don't you want people on dial-up to be able to read these threads with relative ease?

[inna]

120. This is just ridiculous. Locking a thread ruins it for everybody, including people on dial-up.

Locking threads makes them effectively worthless, and even worse than worthless, in a "negative time drain" sense. To illustrate what I mean... Last night I spent about 5 minutes responding to someone's comment on your first thread while listening to the SOTU, and when I attempted to post my comment, I found out that the thread was locked. Ten minutes later exactly the same thing happened on your second thread, as I wasted time and energy writing another comment that could not be posted. It was really annoying as hell, and that's why I was so pissed.

As for the "people on dial-up" excuse, it's just absurd. There are tons of threads with hundreds and even thousands of posts that don't get locked - such threads will simply take a little longer to load for people on dial-up, but at least they still will be able to participate in a thread. When you a lock a thread, you ruin it for everybody, including people on dial-up, because obviously they can no longer participate in it. What's the point in posting a thread for live discussion if you lock it 5 minutes later so people are not able to respond to it (even if they already wasted their time reading comments and composing responses)?? It makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. I didn't know this was a common practice on DU, I've never encoutered it before.

[blogslut]

121. Sorry

But that's the way it's done for ****OFFICIAL**** threads on DU. If you want to blame me directly then go ahead but it's not going to change a practice that's been the standard for this board for as long as I've been here.

[inna]

123. No problem, and sorry for overreacting last night.

It's not a big deal, I guess I just won't participate in ****OFFICIAL**** threads, if they get locked after 5 minutes. :shrug:

Just out of curiousity, I wonder what % of DUers are on dial-up. BTW, DU loads extremely fast (compared to many other sites), so a slight delay in downloading a multi-hundred-post thread shouldn't take more than a few seconds (I used to be on dial-up for many years, so I know...) ... Just sayin'.


Anyway, I didn't mean to overreact on you. Peace. :hi:

[blogslut]

124. I was on dial-up during the last two weeks

As well, I started on dial-up in 95' and surfed the web with it up until 2003.

From the perspective of a person on dial-up, a post that's over 100 responses can take anywhere from 30 seconds to freaking forever to load, depending on how many images are in the post and whether or not the site's image files are stored in my browser cache. While message boards tend to load more quickly than other image/script-heavy discussion platforms, a long thread is still a long thread. It's difficult to be part of the fast-pace discussion during a busy time.

[inna]

125. "It's difficult to be part of the fast-pace discussion during a busy time."

And once a thread is locked, it makes it not just "difficult", but IMPOSSIBLE.

That's my entire point. :shrug:

But I'm done arguing about this, it's really not that important.

[GCP]

76. Brilliant ending

[JonLP24]

87. Tweety "I forgot he was a black guy for awhile"

:wtf:

[NoFace]

89. ??? I forgot he was a secret muslim out to destroy America for awhile....only for awhile though, now

...back to the mudslinging.
:shrug:

[spanone]

90. i think tweety was once again greatly impressed by Obama

he's calling out mcconnell....chuckle face bwahahahahahaaa

[crispini]

91. ahahahahha.

Tweety really needs to just give it up. I can't believe he's thinking about running for whatever. He has chronic diarrhea of the mouth.

[deek]

100. ?

Is that true or what you thought he was thinking? Seriously. Watching some wooden guy do a screen test on NBC right now.

[JonLP24]

107. It's what he said

That's why I put it in quotes. He probably said an "hour" rather than "awhile" based on what others are saying.

[deek]

109. amazing

Thank you for the reply.

[sexybomber]

95. Greatest Hits

I know that having listened to eight years of W, it was a bit of a low bar for Obama to hit, but my Gods, did he kill that. That wasn't out of the park, that was out of the damn city. Well done.

[elleng]

96. OK you Twits, send your ideas to repugs!

[inna]

115. still totally pissed about locking and shit.

here's the best place on liveblogging SOTU: http://news.firedoglake.com/2010/01/27/sotu-liveblogging/

[Robb]

119. I thought it was explained to you that's how these threads work?

We've done them like this since, heck, forever.

Once the thread gets big, it gets locked and you start again. :shrug:

[mikekohr]

117. BaRocky Obama Just Cut Off the Ring, Corned the Republicans

and gave them a beating,

-Two point round-

mike kohr