History buffs: When was the last time a POTUS called out the SCOTUS to their faces?

[scheming daemons]

In front of the entire nation?


I honestly don't know... .and would doubt that it has happened since FDR.




BALLSY. Those 5 pricks can make his life miserable down the line.



That 20-30 seconds of the speech was awesome.

[iamjoy]

1. Well, Abraham Lincoln

President Lincoln almost had Chief Justice Roger Taney arrested. But I don't think that was the last time.

[Arctic Dave]

2. I want to know what Alito was mumbling.

[LLStarks]

4. "That's not true." nt

[Arctic Dave]

13. Really?

[woo me with science]

62. A commentator said it was "That's not right." nt

[Alias Dictus Tyrant]

18. "I was told that I could listen to the radio at a reasonable volume from nine to eleven"

[fishwax]

29. BWAHAHAHAHA!

:thumbsup:

Welcome to DU! :hi:

[izquierdista]

31. Move him to the basement?

He's already lit the fire......

[Patsy Stone]

70. DUzy!

:rofl:

[Mithreal]

93. .

:applause:

[valerief]

3. The prez can do it every day on teevee. Until one of them stops breathing, I don't

know what can be done. Dare we hope for Congress to do something?

[liberalmuse]

5. Probably not since LBJ...

or Truman.

[DFLforever]

54. Roosevelt

His 'court packing' scheme. Ate up his political capital but they did get one justice to retire and a second to change his voting pattern. They had been ruling key new deal legislation unconstitutional.

I can't remember either LBJ or Truman having any problems with the courts. The reactionaries were eventually all replaced by FDR.

[timeforpeace]

6. Surely never. Might be seen as poor form by the rest of the country. Humiliating the Supreme Court

in this setting? There's no upside, and the downside is enormous. Besdies, you take the Supreme Court on in court, not on TV when they are a captive audience.

[Windy]

10. that's ridiculous...nt

[Hansel]

12. Oh stop. nt

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[OhioBlue]

16. I disagree. the SC decision was unpatriotic to its core

it should be called out and often.

Good for the Prez.

[Mithreal]

95. +1

[Minimus]

17. "Might be seen as poor form by the rest of the country" - Oh please!

:eyes:

[Renew Deal]

24. I disagree

The SC has a right to their decisions and the other branches have a right to express their views.

[Donnachaidh]

28. hogwash -- they DESERVE a public drubbing, the 5 that wrote that POS

And it was the high point for us. These judges want to make decisions that potentially adversely affect this country -- let them EXPECT to be called out on it.

It just might make them think twice the next time they want to hand off goodies to corporations.

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[Zomby Woof]

52. Before you get banned as the troll you are...

I will point out that no one is bound to "respect" a Supreme Court decision. If that were the case, Plessy v. Ferguson would still be the law of the land. It had to be upheld until overturned, but free-thinking people were allowed to deride it as the rationale for institutionalized racism that it was.

And you Republicans wouldn't be creaming in your khakis at the prospect of overturning Roe v. Wade if you "respected" their decisions.

Supreme Court decisions interpret the law, and the president is bound to uphold that law (Andrew Jackson's odious exception to the contrary), but they are allowed to question a decision even as they do, especially in public, since after all, the president is supposed to be accountable to the people. The Supreme Court is the uniquely non-democratic branch of government, not accountable to voters. So we count on the president to speak for us on these matters.

No one on this board gives two shits from a rat's ass what "independents" think. Independents are Republicans who are ashamed to admit they are Republicans, because on some level, they know what a festering mountain of rancid shit their party represents.

Now go away.

[Mithreal]

96. Actually plenty of people do cheer Independent polling results.

There is an op rising in the greatest list that does just that.

Other than that, thumbs up.

[uppityperson]

56. "Makes him look petty, like when he goes after Fox News." hahahahahaha

Sure you're an "independent". Sure you are.

You seem to have no clue about the 3 branches of gvt, what each does, how they are checks and balances. Maybe you should study up a bit on that?

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[newspeak]

60. they are such fundamental pillars of our government

that in BushvGore, two of those pillars of government would not recuse themselves for conflict of interest--as one's wife was on *'s cabinet choosing committee and the other one's son was a legal adviser for *'s campaign. I would say there are some sitting on the bench who chose party over country and its' people. And, I totally disagree with you, there are many people on both sides upset with the decision--I think it looked like Obama showed his spine and spoke what others are feeling about the pillars of government's latest selfish interest decision!

[FrenchieCat]

63. After Bush vs. Gore? Fuck that shit. The Republicans on the SC disrespected this country then,

as they do now.

They need their asses kicked.
Yeah, I said, it!
Take your SC sorry worshiping ass elsewhere.
I have them 5 assholes.

[newspeak]

76. frenchie, did you even read my response?

or are you saying that to another? Mr. pillars of government?

[FrenchieCat]

78. I responded to "Deleted Message"....not you. Check again! :)

[Rockholm]

40. My, you have been NEGATIVE on EVERY SOTU thread. What gives?

[scheming daemons]

50. An agenda is "what gives".... not all posters on DU

are Democrats... or even left-leaning.


Some are here to spread F.U.D.


Some are paid to do so.

[Zomby Woof]

If that dude is getting paid

His employer is getting ripped off. I think this one is just a garden-variety freelancer afraid that Obama may get a bounce in the polls.

[Rockholm]

90. Too true. Sad that there are boiler rooms of paid punditry.....

infecting message boards and chat rooms...even Facebook.

[uppityperson]

42. Good thinkg it wasn't seen as poor form. Take them on in public, they are my employees

let me see them be told legislation will be passed to deal with their recent interpretation of current legislation.

[blondeatlast]

44. Your concern is duly noted.

And I don't care how tired that phrase is--it applies here.

[hvn_nbr_2]

47. You didn't grow up in a place where every other barn was painted "Impeach Earl Warren" nt

[closeupready]

67. It's debatable - I think they know Obama is a sincere person, and he accepted blame

for his own failures, so for this particular evening, it was completely fine, even healthy. If they are so stuck up they can't take some criticism, well, tough.

[quiller4]

80. FDR in almost every setting before he launched his court-packing effort

[RoyGBiv]

81. You're a real piece of work ...

"Surely never" is such an amazingly ignorant comment I don't even know where to begin ripping to shreds the idiotic notion that a POTUS chastising SCOTUS might be seen as "poor form." This nation has a history of the POTUS publicly and loudly facing off against the Court going back to its very foundations. This is not hidden history. Hell, I learned about some of it in grade school. Some instances of this are more famous than others, but few are obscure.

You've heard of Jefferson? Lincoln, FDR, LBJ? How about Andrew Jackson? Walk into a library with the entire Congressional Record and pick up the first volume covering the years of Jackson's administration. His open, public battles with SCOTUS start on PAGE ONE *in* a State of the Union address, and some of what he said makes Obama's remarks look tame.

Of course, you're correct. It *will* be seen as poor form by those walking through life with blinders who will criticize everything this President does or says.

[Binka]

86. Roy Do Not Bother With This Poster

just alert.

[RoyGBiv]

87. Yeah, I know ...

I normally ignore it, but the "surely not" just hit a raw nerve.

[Mithreal]

94. Poor form? Oh, really. I say take them on wherever they go.

How very uncivilized of me. Please do forgive. I feel like I am piling on.

You are right to the extent that most people are unaware of the shit they just took on our democracy. The upside of any shaming is that it gets people talking.

[BumRushDaShow]

7. It didn't appear that Thomas and Scalia were there. n/t

[hatrack]

8. That caught my attention as well . . .

The most startling moment of the evening, w/o question.

[flvegan]

9. I'll give Obama mad props for that one.

Even I was sitting here with a juvenile grin on my face saying "oh SNAP!" to that.

[PopSixSquish]

11. That Was Amazing and the Camera Focused Right on the Chief Justice

He done told them...

[tridim]

22. The wide shot of Congress encircling the seated SCOTUS was very powerful.

It gave me goosebumps.

[pnorman]

15. FDR, and unequivocally!.

n/t

[greatscott15]

19. Poor Taste

Actually pretty poor taste by Obama in a major speech. Gotta show respect for all aspects of the government whether you agree or not.

[scheming daemons]

23. He began it with "with all due respect to separation of powers..."

He was polite.... while he was smacking them down.



And you freepers have never shown respect for the Supreme Court (Roe v Wade), so blow me.

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[scheming daemons]

32. If any justice changes a future ruling because of his comments tonight...

....then they deserve a punch in the face. Not figuratively either.



You're not fooling anyone, freeper. Your slip is showing.

[Quantess]

58. I'm suspicious as well.

Who else but a FReeper could watch that SOTU and not have anything good to say? And even making a cheap reference to a punch in the face? That goes beyond being an Obama critic, that's the sign of an Obama HATER.

[izquierdista]

35. We'll probably 'loose' you too

Freeper spelling is SO predictable.

[greatscott15]

45. Lets keep our heads in the sand then

[scheming daemons]

53. Freepers already have their heads in the sand

you're not fooling anyone.

[blondeatlast]

68. It won't just be your head in the sand after tonight.

Enjoy the pizza, Domino's was very lose with the cheese.

Ijit.

[Marr]

39. Haha! If "we" lose rulings for this, then it's the court that has no

respect for the institution.

What is it "they" are always saying about activist judges again...?

[HillbillyBob]

43. The Supremes DESERVE a punch in the face as does

anyone that agrees that they had the right to foist w on us in a cheated election. Everything falls into line after that seeing as Jeb had our ballots shredded to put his a###ipe brother in office.
I was there and an eyewitness to the shredding on election night, not after SCOTUS decided to end the recount as faux noise only showed the tape later after the witches in black robes killed democracy. Then we had the cheated 2004 vote. Scotus scalia, alito, thomas robberts, need to be impeached they lied to get into office.

[uppityperson]

46. If the SCOTUS rules based on being called out on a ruling, they deserve NO respect.

ps. it is "lose"

[newspeak]

75. oh, wait only repukes can be tough-see if they did it, it'd be okay

but a democrat is supposed to be the nice guy, is supposed to take it on the chin even if that decision may further damage our (meaning the people's) chance of representation and our voices to be heard.

What? We may lose another ruling? I thought the supreme court justices were supposed to be impartial--supposed to be non-partisan--silly me!!:rofl:

I loved every minute of it, so I must be in the forty per cent who thought it's about damn time!

[Renew Deal]

25. He didn't move to abolish the court

That could be seen as "disrespect." He gave a political view of the decision. That's fair.

[Quantess]

26. I thought it was excellent! I think Obama's base will be pleased.

Besides, the 5 deserved it.

[greatscott15]

30. Base yes - rest of American no

Each party has about a 35% "base" which can be depended on no matter what. Obama won by getting a large number of independents. Those demographics are the ones turning away from Obama big time (ie Mass Senate). Seeming petty in public, will drive them farther away.

I am afraid Obama is starting to loose it a little bit. His speech came off tonite as slightly desperate and overly agressive.

[scheming daemons]

37. Only freepers spell "lose" as "loose".....

You're not fooling anyone.


And your pizza is coming soon.

[blondeatlast]

49. LOSE. Not "loose." You lose your argument. You will soon be let loose. nt

[RainDog]

33. It was a rebuke. Presidents have rebuked Congress in the past as well (another branch)

so it's not unprecedented in political conduct in the U.S.

[greatscott15]

36. Congress may be OK, SC not

[uppityperson]

48. Do you know what the 3 branches of government are?

Do you know what those 3 branches do?

Why is it ok for President Obama to rebuke congress and not the scotus?

[mitchtv]

69. since when is it not ok?

[uppityperson]

82. Thanks Mods. Troll be gone!

[jwirr]

51. The SCOTUS is an institution just like the Presidency. To criticize the

incumbent is not to criticize the office. 5 Justices made a horrible decision - that does not reflect on the institution. It reflects on them. THEY were the ones he called out.

[high density]

55. I can't respect a body which comes up with such anti-American decisions

The court decision was poor taste, to put it lightly. To ignore it happened would have been even worse.

[mitchtv]

61. oh dry up

nothing about that decision was respectable

[seafan]

20. We must reverse this radical ruling by the conservative extremists on the Supreme Court.

.....

Last week, the Supreme Court reversed a century of law to open the floodgates for special interests -- including foreign corporations -- to spend without limit in our elections. Well I don't think American elections should be bankrolled by America's most powerful interests, or worse, by foreign entities. They should be decided by the American people, and that's why I'm urging Democrats and Republicans to pass a bill that helps to right this wrong.

.....

Transcript: Obama's first State of the Union speech, January 27, 2010, 10:21 pm

[seafan]

88. Sammy "The Fish" Alito registers his opinion....

...during the State of the Union.


What we have here is an ideologue, among 4 others, on the highest court in the land. Another reminder of the the long-term devastation from another radical decision engineered by this court on December 12, 2000.

....

We had to struggle with the old enemies of peace, business and financial monopoly, speculation, reckless banking, class antagonism, sectionalism, war profiteering.

They had begun to consider the Government of the United States as a mere appendage to their own affairs. We know now that Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob.

Never before in all our history have these forces been so united against one candidate as they stand today. They are unanimous in their hate for me, and I welcome their hatred.

I should like to have it said of my first Administration that in it the forces of selfishness and of lust for power met their match. I should like to have it said of my second Administration that in it these forces met their master.

....

---Franklin D. Roosevelt, October 31, 1936, Madison Square Garden

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_6jSCtuQ-LzA/SNQCscJQ43I/AAAAAAAACqo/Iq0un3XlwyI/s320/bush+with+ben+bernanke,+henry+paulson+and+christopher+cox+-+091908.jpg


"We know now that Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob."---FDR, October 31, 1936

[PufPuf23]

91. Nice posts SeaFan.

FDR is my favorite 20th century POTUS.

He was for the people, saved the nation, and helped to stablize the world and bring on a long period of prosperity and relative peace for the USA.

Obama as FDR-like is my desire and one could wager the desire of most at DU and in the best interests of the USA and the world.

Obama as Reagan makes me puke as I was a Cal Berkeley student when Reagan was CA gov. and quit a career Fed job when he was POTUS (IMO POS)

The SCOTUS is politicized from the right by anti-constitionalists activists.

The POTUS decision in 2000 should never have occurred.


Then Cheney went duck hunting with Scalia and didn't shoot him in the face.

[madokie]

21. There was lots of awesome in that speech

about an hours worth

[closeupready]

73. I agree. This restored some of my respect for him. I still want to see follow through, but

yes, this was a very good speech.

[Zomby Woof]

41. Andrew Jackson used to mock John Marshall regularly

Most famously in the aftermath of Worcester v. Georgia, "The decision of the Supreme Court has fell stillborn, and they find that they cannot coerce Georgia to yield to its mandate." This has erroneously been known as the "John Marshall has made his decision, now let him enforce it" speech. Jackson actually never said that.

Unfortunately, this defiance resulted in eventual upheaval and genocide for the Cherokee Nation. :-(

[azmouse]

57. Seemed like great revenge for Alito screwing up the oath of office.

I still think Alito did that on purpose.

[groundloop]

64. Good point, that had slipped my mind

In any case I think that President Obama smacked down those 5 justices with grace and dignity, and I'm glad he did it.

[GoCubsGo]

71. Roberts...

[alcibiades_mystery]

72. Roberts screwed up the oath of office

[azmouse]

74. oops... my mistake.

[madamesilverspurs]

77. Um, it was Roberts who screwed up the oath.

[Arugula Latte]

59. Could someone volunteer to hide behind doors, jump out & yell "Boo!" at Scalia every now and again?

[Jester Messiah]

65. Most excellent.

They had it coming.

[MilesColtrane]

66. Irish Green Party member shows how the phrase, "with all due respect" should be followed up.

In this instance, I wouldn't have minded at all if Obama had said this to the SCROTUS.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ugailEn8U5o

[Jack Rabbit]

79. Eat your heart out, Alan Grayson

!!

[ddeclue]

83. FDR and the New Deal but not on TV since it hadn't been invented yet.

[depakid]

85. Nope- Roosevelt never called them out in an SOTU- he did one better

with the judiciary Reorganization Bill of 1937.

It didn't pass, for a variety of reasons- but nevertheless accomplished its goal:

Justice Owen Roberts switched positions and began voting to uphold New Deal measures, effectively creating a liberal majority, ending the Lochner v. era and giving the government more power in questions of economic policies.

Journo's called it "the switch in time that saved nine."

[marshall]

89. A political version of putting a dead horse's head in somebody's bed

Owen Roberts certainly had the fear of god from somewhere, and voted pretty consistently for FDR backed New Deal cases. He did buck the system when he voted against FDR on the Japanese American Internment camps though.

[depakid]

84. Reagan on school prayer- and Nixon to the Warren Court

which he destroyed.

[yellowcanine]

92. Don't know but Republicans have been outspoken against Roe v Wade which was a 7-2 decision.

Not sure if Reagan or G.W. Bush did mentioned it in the SOTU with the SCOTUS present but they sure did not mind stating loudly that they disagreed with the decision. And neither do a lot of Republican lawmakers to this day. I don't see a fundamental difference between what Obama did and what the Republicans do in commenting on Roe v. Wade. And Obama mainly used the opportunity to call for a legislative fix, which is entirely a legitimate thing to put in the SOTU, imo.