John Edwards Made Sex Tape, Abortion Plea, Aide Says

[sabra]

Source: ABC News

Ex-Edwards Aide Claims Presidential Hopeful Pushed for Rielle Hunter to Abort, Was Infuriated by Pregnancy

Former John Edwards' aide Andrew Young, who covered up the Democratic presidential candidate's affair, said when he cleaned up his house after his role in the cover-up ended he found one more shocker.

"There was one tape that was marked 'special,'" Young told ABC News' Bob Woodruff in an exclusive interview. "It's a sex tape of Rielle and John Edwards made just a couple of months before the Iowa caucuses."

Though Young never saw the woman's face in the tape, he said she was "visibly pregnant" and was "wearing a bracelet" and a "thumb ring" typically worn by Rielle Hunter.

...

Young justified his actions, writing how he made plans to secure the tapes and leave copies with his lawyer should anything happen to him.

"We weren't going to use it in any nefarious way, but I planned to deposit a copy in a safe-deposit box and place at least one other with an attorney with instructions to make it public, if necessary, should anything suspicious befall us," Young wrote. "I had read enough John Grisham novels to think that ... sometimes powerful, rich people don't always play by the rules. And we were scared."

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Young claims that Edwards even called upon him in late May 2007 to convince Hunter to terminate her pregnancy.

"The senator tried to convince her to have an abortion. ... He tried to convince me to convince Rielle to have an abortion," Young told Woodruff.

Read more: http://abcnews.go.com/2020/John_Edwards_Scandal/john-edwards-made-sex-tape-abortion-plea-aide/story?id=9680626

[BeyondGeography]

1. Edwards...

:dunce:

[Brickbat]

2. Oh, fer....make it stop.

[Voltaire]

4. I second THAT emotion

enough of it already

[Warpy]

9. Yeah, he's out of politics

This garbage now belongs in the LOUNGE.

[UpInArms]

14. third - this is getting downright creepy

:puke:

[liberalhistorian]

83. Just like Edwards himself. What a

lying, deceitful, hateful, cheating, disgusting, hypocritical, phoney-baloney, scum-sucking sleazebag worm slime he is. Then again, I knew that over a year ago. And he only finally so "graciously" acknowledged his own child practically under the gun; he probably would have never given the child a second glance if he could have publically gotten away with it. Pond scum douchebag.

[Maru Kitteh]

94. He would have denied his own daughter - just like old Strom Thrurmond. THAT'S the worst part.

It was John Edwards WISH that his child NEVER know who her biological father was. Sick - inhumane - lying fucker.

I hope she (his daughter) hates him.

[liberalhistorian]

103. And he did it for the same chief reason Thurmond

did, political and personal expediency. Sick, inhumane, lying fucker just about covers it, true enough. I hope Elizabeth takes him to the cleaners and sucks him dry so that there's nothing left for his gold-digging bitch of a mistress and she dumps him also.

And did you know that Rielle's talked publically about marrying John when Elizabeth dies, even going so far as to say how she wanted their wedding to be and even what band to play at the reception? The Dave Matthews Band. To their credit, they came out and said they wanted nothing to do with it. What a BITCH. Then again, most mistresses aren't generally known for being compassionate and sympathetic; if they were, they wouldn't mess around with other women's husbands/boyfriends in the first place.

[Mimosa]

114. ^ Rielle's wedding plans...eeeuuuwwwwww!!!! ^ n't

[Amerigo Vespucci]

19. Yeah, WTF...and this isn't LBN, either...it's yesterday's news

We have bigger fish to fry. How is John Edwards' infidelity going to fix our economy, solve Healthcare Reform issues, or get us out of Iraq / Afghanistan?

[blondeatlast]

23. I so agfree. nt

[Canuckistanian]

105. +1000

This is TMZ territory now.

[mac56]

3. If this proves true, I am severely disappointed.

I was one of his biggest boosters.

[Bicoastal]

6. You're not severly disappointed YET?

I was disappointed 2 years ago. This? This would almost be funny if it wasn't so grotesque.

[arthritisR_US]

40. you parallel my reaction. n/t

[Bicoastal]

5. Next we'll find out...

...that he was in a fourway with Rielle, Satan, and an endangered American Bald Eagle.

[BunkerHill24]

7. Why do it on tape? Boggles the mind! n/t

[snagglepuss]

24. It is mind boggling and for that reason I think its good this info is coming out.

Its instructive to see, in such stark terms, the reality behind a facade. He had me suckered. I am stunned by how wrong I was about him.

[Raine]

73. Same with me

it's something I want to remember so that I can remind myself that sometimes my judgment is poor. Hopefully I won't be fooled like this again, "forewarned is forearmed".

[AndrewP]

142. Exactly

The prick wanted to be the Presidential nominee in 04 and 08 and almost was VP in 2004. It's news no matter how much people don't want it to be.

It's also like a soap opera. Sad.

[rayofreason]

8. The"B" side to Paris Hilton's n/t.

[WriteDown]

10. Think about this for a second. This man could have been POTUS. nt

[leveymg]

11. Was Edwards crazy, set up, or a political suicide bomber?

How could any politician possibly be more self-destructive than John Edwards? Twisted private self-destructive urges or something more insidious - someone who was an accessory to setting himself up to blow up?

Either way, a political suicide bomber.

[Freddie Stubbs]

36. Becoming an elected official can greatly inflate your ego, which in tern can cloud your judgment

Some politicians avoid this pitfall, some do not.

[kestrel91316]

12. Why on earth should I care what this foolish private citizen does or did?

[ORDagnabbit]

21. cause this private citizen wanted to be POTUS and lied to and cheated his followers

and supporters.

[RoadRage]

49. If this was John McCAIN instead of Edwards.. you'd care.

That's why it matters.. 'cause if the shoe were on the other foot.. people here on DU would be flipping out.

[Shell Beau]

68. No joke. People still love to talk about Palin and her daughter, so yeah

this matters. Funny how people can't or don't see that.

[WatchWhatISay]

13. I don't want to hear this

And I want to forget the name John Edwards

[onehandle]

15. Can we just end this? DU is now National Enquirer Underground. nt

[Haole Girl]

16. Agreed. Enough is enough. (nt)

[msanthrope]

17. Jeebus. Go away, John Edwards......n/t

[Stuckinthebush]

18. Can we agree that Edwards is finished

and while many of us were suckered into his campaign (me included), we can move on with the wisdom gained from this experience?

May John Edwards find whatever he is looking for without hurting any more people. I'm tired of hearing about his poor judgment. He'll never be a successful national politician again and that is fine with me.

[caseymoz]

20. I guess it's a cautionary tale for trusting appearances.

It's the only rational reason for reading the story.

[Tom Rinaldo]

25. Bingo

It can be painful to let it sink in deeply, but we do have to be on guard. There were some early signs that too many of us simply did not want to look at seriously.

[NorthCarolina]

22. Is the tape posted on YouTube yet? eom

[leeroysphitz]

26. I think John is a pretty cool guy, eh runs for president and doesn't afraid of anything. n/t

[anigbrowl]

31. ha XD

[LeftinOH]

27. Just wondering: If Kerry/Edwards had won in '04, maybe he wouldn't have had time

for the shenanigans. Or, maybe it wouldn't have made any difference.

[blm]

39. He definitely wouldn't have had the time on his hands to self-destruct under the weight of an ego

that just exploded in early 05 when he had so many nimrods telling him that HE should have been the nominee.

I first suspected something was seriously amiss with him when he allowed some majorly bogus internet rumors against Kerry to fester. Like the one that Edwards didn't want to concede.

The truth was that Dem powerplayers wanted Kerry to concede that night, but, Kerry AGREED with Edwards that they should wait till morning in deference to those Ohioans whose votes were still being counted, and even though they knew the math was against them.

The internet exploded with the rumor that Edwards fought with Kerry about conceding, and Edwards did NOTHING to dissuade the bloggers pushing that hogwash.

Late 2005 I heard that the Kerry circle had been furious with Edwards for refusing to be the pitbull against Bush-Cheney because he wanted to keep his nice guy image intact.

[karynnj]

70. I suspect that his ego went out of control even earlier

Have you ever heard of a VP nominee who refused to use a campaign slogan and proceded to use his preferred slightly different (inferior) one? Who would tell the Presidential nominee that he would speak on something - either attacking Bush or defending Kerry - and then not do it? Who switched from an excited, eager campaigner to one who merely phoned it in (at least in the few CSPAN rallies I bothered to watch.)

The media's coverage of the ticket when he was picked was such that you can include a fair number of them to the lists of nimrods. It was the media that deemed them America's perfect couple, and Edwards as Bill Clinton without bimbos. (Ignoring that people in Iowa who met both preferred John Kerry.)

Although she was willing to be used in those lies about 2004, it is impossible to not feel sorry for Elizabeth, who has to deal with all of this and cancer, as she raises her two youngest kids. In an interview today, Teresa Heinz Kerry mentioned that her husband called Elizabeth this last weekend, so at least some of the official Democrats have reached out to her.

But for Edwards, it would seem that if being a narcissist is his excuse, he really should be getting psychological help to make him understand reality. he needs to fix himself before he can really be much help to anyone else.

[snagglepuss]

76. Very interesting. I didn't know he was such a prick way back then.

He almost sounds like a sociopath given his ability to appear to be so nice and so sincere.:shrug:

[anneboleyn]

118. What's scary is that he might have been in office when all of this shit broke -- and the dems would

have suffered for years because of his behavior. He is a disgusting pig, cheating on his terminally ill wife and making a fcking sex tape on top of it all.

[bridgit]

28. I never really cared for Edwards. To me there was always - always - something smarmy about him

[NoFace]

134. Yeah, I knew it all along too, (rolls eyes)

[earth mom]

29. Young is a piece of trash. He is going to profit off this scandal!

:puke:

[cali]

30. yes he is.

[Neecy]

32. I doubt he'll profit much

Who would buy the book? Who cares? The media will buy it to pick up juicy bits of scandal. Everyone else will be repulsed by it. It'll be in the bargain bin by Spring.

[Plucketeer]

33. I'm surprized by the comments to this thread

AND to the notion that the book won't find much of a market. Boy - if ever there were a head-in-the-sand notion - dismissing Edwards as flotsam is it.

What IF.... there were ulterior motives to Ms. Hunter's seducing Edwards??? Is he a lesser guy for succumbing to her siren ways - LOL! - we've seen lots more influential types (WHILE SERVING IN GOVERNMENT) fall to their carnal weaknesses! To dismiss Edwards as trash of a lesser sort is sticking your head in the sand. Or maybe it's more like sticking your thumbs in your ears and screaming LA-LA-LA-LA-LA-LA-LA I CAN'T HEAR YOU!!!

Who has specific evidence that Hunter didn't make this tape covertly - as a matter of evidence, should she need it to back her claims down the road? And WHAT IF she had some gratuities come her way as an added incentive to derail JE's political ambitions??? Are there not AT LEAST some lessons to be drawn from just the POSSIBILITIES of such circumstances? Think about it! We're not talking about the county dog-catcher position here. We're talking THE most visible (arguably powerful) seat in the free world. With what JE was proposing to do from that office, you've GOT TO KNOW there were motives - POWERFUL motives to upset his applecart.

I LIKED John Edwards. And I can forgive him for being human. I CAN'T forgive Ms.Hunter from selfishly taking the possibility of real change from our nation - whether it was for her ego, her itchy needs or some easy money.
If JE is such an Ogre, then where does Bill Clinton fit on the chart of species?

[SallyMander]

34. Oh sure, it's ALL the woman's fault

Poor Edwards was just a victim of this EVIL SEDUCTRESS!!!


Oh yeah... :sarcasm:

[Plucketeer]

38. Please, don't steer me into your ditch.

My main point was that she might have had monetary influence to derail JE.

Hey. I'm a guy. A happily married guy. But I don't go around with blinders on. I still look after my six and a half decades of being this particular gender. What I've never done is asked someone to engage in copulation while I was wed. And IF I were to do so - it would ALSO require the other half of my proposed heterosexual dalliance saying "yes" to make it happen.

[Maru Kitteh]

81. Ditch Hell. You hit the gas and headed right over the cliff!

Nasty women and their conniving naughty bits are unforgivable and deserving of scorn! But the asshole who was plugging her while his cancer-ridden wife cared for their young children? Oh - he's just human.

Talk about true colors.

[Plucketeer]

82. And so the poor, FORCED Ms. Hunter -

- who HAD TO KNOW of Elizabeth's dilema, just said "fuck it!"

[Maru Kitteh]

87. You seem to be weirdly confused about sex, relationships and the meaning of consensual.

Edwards and Hunter fucked.

They both knew about Elizabeth's health history.

They fucked anyway.

Only John Edwards had an obligation to EE.

Predictably, Hunter became impregnated. (that's what happens when sperm meets egg - I don't usually have to explain that to folks but you seem to be having a hard time here)

At this point, JE picked the most dishonest, absolute sleaziest path he possibly could at every single possible turn.

Who did you say was human, and who did you say was unforgivable?

[emilyg]

92. Ms. Hunter was not married to Mrs. Edwards.

[cali]

37. oh for pity's sake. the guy is in his fifties..

he could have said no. he was the one who broke his vows. and your post is a pile of sexist dog shit.

Oh, and Clinton never put on the mantle of perfect family man. and he never cheated on his cancer striken wife.

[Plucketeer]

56. So...

...having cancer is the qualifier?

[cali]

58. I think I also noted that he put on this whole perfect family man

thing and talked about the sanctity of marriage, and yes, cheating on a wife with terminal cancer compounds the whole cheating thing.

[Plucketeer]

61. I NEVER had sexual relations with that woman - miss Lewinski...

If I ever cheated on my spouse, I'd start packing my bags. I wouldn't wait for her to find out. If she cheated on me, I'd be packing HER bags. And neither of us have cancer or any other debilitating malady.

So ALL you nay-sayers are stating without a chance, that Ms. Hunter wasn't sent on a mission to sabatoge JE? Man! It's as easy to be a Dem as it is to be a tea-bagger!

[cali]

63. what are you even garbling about?

who gives a flying fuck if she was sent on a mission to sabotage Je? Did she put a gun to his head and make him fuck her?

[Plucketeer]

67. So then....

.. on YOUR planet, you only send perfect beings to public office. See, that's where we're having trouble communicating. Here - on Earth - we only have humans for our civilized sector.

Hey. I VOLUNTEERED to go to Vietnam. Later I saw what a STUPID endeavor that whole conflict was. For my efforts and my compatriots blood, I get to buy clothes made in Vietnam. Clothes that USED to be made in the USA. Of course, JFK, Johnson and Nixon all had the right idea.
I came back from overseas in civvies and escaped being spat on by the smarter set.

You can talk about the horrifics of cheating on an ailing spouse. I know I wouldn't do it - but that's just me. There's been MANY an instance thru history of those in power practicing infidelity and other acts of underhandedness.
Further, if you're into that Sunday mythology sorta thing, legend has it that the last "perfect person" got nailed to a cross at age 33.

[Maru Kitteh]

86. So it's OK for powerful men to fuck nameless women because they're "human" but no such quarter

should be granted the females they fuck if they get caught. The man was just "being human," SHE on the other hand MUST be up to something.

Holy hell.

[Plucketeer]

110. A honest thanks...

..to all who've replied and tried their best to explain to me how brazenly ignorant I am. I've gotten honest chuckles out of it. Poor women. They've literally gotten the shaft thru history. And it's always the guys that have screwed them. Yup. :rofl:

[Maru Kitteh]

117. Why not just answer the question, or can you?

How do you justify, intellectually, excusing married philandering men as "only human," while condemning the female consensual adult as being "unforgivable" for her "itchy needs."

Just answer the question. No more strawmen or red herrings. Answer the question.

You can't.

[Plucketeer]

123. You're WRONG

I can answer your slanted question. Slanted to suit your views. BOTH of them were stupid. But I look at it like this.... I lost one hell of a lot more hope when JE was stupid than I did for RH's indiscretions. Another out-of-wedlock kid? What world impact does that carry? The promises to help this nation's purposely overlooked poor - THAT takes the wind out of me.

Look - I'm convinced now. Ms. Hunter was the VICTIM of Edward's untiring persistence. How COULD that poor woman hold out against the persuasion of the philandering, suave and silver-tongued ex-senator??? DID JE act like a jerk after he'd impregnated the poor, innocent Ms. Hunter? Yeah. There, there's your prize. Pin it on so we can henceforth spot your superiority.

[Maru Kitteh]

124. I was entirely correct. You are incapable of answering the question.

With all the hyperbolic self-pity of the most practiced of drama queens of either gender, you huff and puff and rail, scattering the kind of logical fallacy buckshot that even a high-school debate team should be ashamed of.

[Plucketeer]

135. Just curious here....

.. How DO you keep the sand out of your eyes??? AND nose, for that matter!

Edit: BTW, that self-awarded medal looks good on you. It fits right in with all the others you've decorated yourself with.

[Maru Kitteh]

138. And again you prove my point.

[Plucketeer]

141. Says you. LOL!

In WHAT sort of game do the players serve as referee as well. Truly laughable! :rofl::rofl::rofl:

[Maru Kitteh]

143. Perhaps if you explained why providing direct answers to direct questions is such a challenge

to you, you might yet be helped.

[Plucketeer]

144. Was that comment for me, or...

...were you asking yourself? :rofl:

[noamnety]

41. I concur with the others - your post is very sexist.

Two people consented. You excuse the one as "being human" and condemn the other - and curiously, you excuse the one who hadn't made a commitment to another person to be faithful.

Either condemn them both as irresponsible and selfish, or excuse them both as being human, subject to all the desires and weaknesses that entails. Excusing the man as victim while condemning the woman is very sexist.

[Kalyke]

42. Oh, good Lord.

So it's ALLLLL Hunter's fault. John's Little Johnnie and his Great Big Ego had NOTHING, whatsoever, to do with his philandering on his sick, but intelligent, down-to-earth and loving wife.

:eyes:

Give me a break!

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

48. I think you just broke my sarcasm detector. n/t

[walldude]

53. What are you fucking kidding?

Laughable. After what happened to Clinton any Democrat stupid enough to have an affair gets what he deserves. Only a fucking complete and utter dolt would put himself in that situation.

Frankly I'm glad someone with his lack of judgment didn't make it to the presidency.

[Plucketeer]

57. And that would've been the first time???

:rofl:

[karynnj]

72. No good

It was Edwards, who vowed to be faithful. It was Edwards, who knew how vulnerable his wife had to be at that point and how devastating it would be.

Not to mention, Edwards was hyped shamelessly by the media in 2004, 2005 and 2006. They had incredibly good media - and he still rarely polled more than about 12%. Hillary was the far more likely candidate in 2005 or 2006.

Not to mention, if someone was hired for that role would it be someone with the flakiness of Hunter? For that matter, wouldn't they pick someone more classically pretty?

Bill Clinton is pretty despicable in his dealings with women other than Hillary.

[splatshot]

84. I would think...

...that his despicable dealings with other women made his dealings with Hillary despicable (unless he had her tacit approval).

[karynnj]

88. I agree - I stated that poorly

I think his relationship with Hillary is one that also respects her intelligence and that he loves her, in spite of not being true to her. With many others, he almost did not see them as a person - like he kept forgetting Monica's name.

[WinkyDink]

75. What is it you don't get? Edwards had power and is handsome. Does there need to be more?

[anneboleyn]

119. Have you seen a photo of her? She's hardly a Marilyn Monroe-esque siren. I hardly believe that

Edwards was seduced by the oh-so wicked and hypnotic Eve... I mean Hunter. He is an egomaniac who didn't give a shit about his dying wife or his children and cared only about his own interests and urges. Thank the stars the loser wasn't in office.

[goldcanyonaz]

139. It's currently sold out on Amazon.

[Starbucks Anarchist]

35. So is the guy who cheated on his cancer-stricken wife.

[Maru Kitteh]

51. Shoot the messenger eh?

[Lex]

43. AND he practiced cannabalism and stole candy from babies

and spanked the Baby Jesus and drives solo in the HOV lane.

[Gin]

44. the stupid mistress supposedly has a book coming out too

these people are slugs....Edwards is included with them.

[WI_DEM]

45. John Edwards has always been a phony.

[ddeclue]

46. Oh make it stop... he's not running for anything any more...

my head hurts..

[Maru Kitteh]

106. If this were about Mittens or Palin it would have 25 duplicate threads

And 95% of the "why are we talking about this" people here would be ALL OVER it.

[Nye Bevan]

47. Wow. I feel bad for the DUers who donated to this guy's campaign

By rights they should be able to get a refund. Or failing that a free copy of the sex tape.

[unapatriciated]

62. I donated, don't feel bad and don't want my money back.

I donated because I agreed with his policies and believe those policies forced the other two candidates into addressing the issues of the poor and middle class.
I also realized like Kucinich (my first choice) that he probably wouldn't get the nomination, so don't understand all this angst about how he almost lost the election to the R's.
I found no real difference during the primaries between Clinton and Obama (policies) and had no problem supporting either of them in the GE.

[Blue_Tires]

50. i wonder if he has a regular habit of pulling out videotapes from the trash

and watching them??

If they really exist, I can believe it...But I do NOT believe the story on how he came on possession of them....

But hey... what's one more lowlife profiteering attention whore in this tawdry tale??

[alp227]

52. After retiring, Scott Brown can make a porno with Cheatin' John

:evilgrin:

[tritsofme]

54. Just when I thought this story couldn't possibly get any more hilarious.

Thanks for putting a smile on my face John, you fucking scumbag.

[lumberjack_jeff]

55. Edwards sure picked a nasty bunch of creeps to assist his campaign. n/t

[cali]

59. this guy was his hand picked flunky/friend

actually JE had some very good people working on his campaign.

[karynnj]

74. Those people are the ones who created the platform that

the JRE defenders were attacked by. This entire mess must really be a continuing nightmare for them.

[SoCalDem]

60. Note to john Edwards: When you SAY you'll give a job for life to a confidante,

You better DELIVER :rofl:

[Hekate]

64. He's the guy that claimed paternity for Edwards. My guess is he had enough by the time he found...

... the tape. He must have really believed in the Edwardses for however long he worked for them ... but unlike the Bush Family vassals, I guess he wasn't quite ready to sell his soul after all.

I can well believe that by the time they found the tape they were concerned about knowing all too much. Better safe than sorry. Stay away from small airplanes, etc.

What boggles the mind is how high someone can fly before their ego inflates to stratospheric levels and they crash to the ground like Icarus. In addition to everything else he made TAPES? I wonder if Edwards has a single friend left, after all of this -- he certainly abused the trust of his closest aides by tasking them with the cover-up and even pressuring the mistress to have an abortion.

Andrew Young and wife are not exactly covered with glory in this scandal, but John Edwards is really a POS.

Hekate


http://abcnews.go.com/2020/John_Edwards_Scandal/john-edwards-made-sex-tape-abortion-plea-aide/story?id=9680626&page=2

>> The long-time, loyal aide had made himself indispensable to both John and Elizabeth Edwards professionally and personally. But he burst onto the national stage in December 2007 as the man who "took the bullet" for the Democratic contender, falsely claiming paternity of Edwards' daughter to protect Edwards' reputation and political career.
>
>> For Young, admitting paternity was the ultimate sacrifice for a political figure and a man he had long revered, but it was far from the first hit he took for the presidential hopeful.
>
>> Since the summer of 2006, Young said he was aware of Edwards' affair with Hunter and was ultimately entrusted by Edwards to conceal it. The affair, Young says, began in February 2006.

[crispini]

140. What blows me away is that I remember all this happening

AND I BELIEVED IT. (the cover story). I remember the Enquirer story, I remember the dude claiming paternity -- and I was like, whatever, it's the National Enquirer..... Hindsight's always 20/20 I guess.

[apocalypsehow]

65. I've been following this story right along, thanks for the OP. I wish those who DON'T like it would

...avail themselves of the "Hide Thread" option. It works! :thumbsup:

[marshall]

66. How soon before it's posted online?

Anybody got the link yet?

[TroglodyteScholar]

69. The naughty bits are blurred, but...

Bad Johnny!

[marmar]

78. I thought Rick-rolling had run its course.....

x(

[TroglodyteScholar]

80. No way!

Anyone who wanted to see the sex tape probably deserves worse, but my options are limited ever since the demise of goatse.cx.

[jillan]

71. I am as tired of John Edwards as I am of Sarah Palin. They are 2 people I never want to hear about

EVER again.

Add Cheney and his daughter to that list.

[marmar]

77. Why do famous people feel so compelled to record themselves f**king?

Or maybe making a sex tape is a more common practice than I realize and I'm just a bore in bed.

[hayu_lol]

79. It really is a shame that Edwards, while building his Taj Mahal...

of a house, was too poor to afford a condom or two. That was his responsibility and one that many men shirk. His girlfriend, ummmm...was she too broke to afford birth control pills?

And this yardbird wanted to become pretzeldent.

Hope his wife gets the house. Edwards can probably con someone out of a used trailer to live in the woods with.

[LeftyMom]

85. Presumably for the same reasons non-famous people do?

[JVS]

91. And what the fuck reasons are those?

[LeftyMom]

107. Fun?

:shrug:

[anneboleyn]

122. I don't get it either. Who the hell wants to watch themselves fucking on video? I don't get it.

Seems like an ego thing.

[Monk06]

89. You actually believe this tabloid hound bullshit? John Edwarrds sent aid to clean up his

house?

Sure he did. "And if you find anything incriminating
be sure not to sell it to the National Enquirer for
a million bucks. Promise me you won't."

[Maru Kitteh]

93. so what do you think happened?

[Monk06]

95. Andrew young is lying in order to line his pockets using the 'super secret'

porn vid that he admits contains no facial shots
and he refuses to release because his life may be
in danger.

Remember the Michelle Obama vid where she calls
white people Whitey, that Breitbart was going to
release that never showed up?

Every scandal monger has a video that can't
be shown because someone's life is in danger
or their identity cannot be revealed until
some future date. Meanwhile the perpetrator
of the hoax rakes in publicity and then ....
publishes their tell all recollections of
"My Secret Life as John Edwards' Sex Aid"

Get the picture yet?

[Maru Kitteh]

116. Thank you for that refreshing tale of fantasy

Now I'm going to make this real simple.

If the tape did NOT exist, Edwards (A platinum grade lawyer who probably has close connections to about 200+ more platinum grade lawyers) or Hunter (who now undoubtedly has a plethora of platinum lawyers herself) would be suing Young's ass right off of the edge of the Earth.

[Monk06]

125. You are right you have succeeded in making the issue exceedingly simple

Sometimes people like Edwards whose personal or
economic fortunes are not made better by answering
every tabloid accusation have chosen to remain silent.

Edwards is a lousy husband and profoundly challenged
at the level of personal ethics. So what? He fucked around
on his spouse, as have at least 40% of Americans or 144 million
people. But they are not the subject of tabloid witch trials.

The ONLY reason Edwards is in the news is that he is weak and
an easy target for Puritan Moralists on the left and the right

[Maru Kitteh]

129. And yet you still didn't get it.

1. This is not a tabloid accusation, let alone an "every tabloid accusation" kind of revelation. This isn't like bat-boy or Dick Cheney is a robot. This isn't John Edwards had a six-course endangered lobster dinner after visiting a homeless shelter or he gets really expensive haircuts. This is a highly-paid professional who was closer to John Edwards than Edward's own wife who has a sex tape of JE (clearly visible) with a visibly pregnant woman wearing jewelry like RH at the time that RH was visibly pregnant. He's not making this revalation in the back pages of Star magazine, he's speaking to and being picked up by every major news venue in the country.

2. Hunter could only profit by suing the shit out of Young if there was no tape. There's no downside for her in suing over a tape if it didn't exist, and she definitely seems to be looking for the money.

3. If Young's allegations were false, the financial gains, damage control and potential sympathy points Edwards could gain would far outweigh any negatives entailed by slapping Young with a suit. It would be a simple and easy matter - IF . . IF - the allegations were false.

4. Neither JE nor Hunter has denied the existence of the tape.


Occam's razor fairly demands that the highest probability is that there is indeed a tape.

[Maru Kitteh]

133. There IS a tape! Link...

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/reliable-source/2010/01/john_edwardss_former_mistress.html

How would you like your crow?

[cali]

96. yes. I believe it.

politicians have a long history of using "body" men (and women) this way.

Let's see: JE was fucked up enough to have an affair with a repulsive batshit crazy groupie type AND get her pregnant. He behaved about as recklessly as one can imagine. Why wouldn't I believe he also made a sex tape.

your naivete is rather sweet.

[Monk06]

97. I bet you also believe that Marilyn Monroe was murdered by CIA agents

who slipped an arsenic suppository up her ass
so she wouldn't narc on her affair with JFK?

I say there is no evidence or reason to believe that
John Edwards made a sex tape of himself and a groupy
videographer, when in fact there is no such evidence.

And you call me naive? Remember the joke in MIB?

Jay: I can't believe you lookin' for tips in the supermarket tabloids!
Kay: Not lookin' for. Found.

I'll stop being naive when a sex tape made by Edwards fucking his
mistress shows up.

You're free to jump ahead of reality all you want.

[JI7]

98. she didn't say she knows for a fact but that she believes there is one

i don't think it's hard to believe that considering all that has happened and been proven true so far.

many people were saying Edwards didn't have an affair and when that was shown to be true, they still denied the baby was his. and now we know that is true.

to compare this to conspiracy theories is stupid.

[Name removed]

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[cali]

100. nope. sorry honey, I'm not a conspiracy minded sort.

you sound just like the poor little critters who no way would believe that JE was fucking his political ass off with a sleazy nutball.

everything else turned out to be true. why shouldn't this? no sleazier and scummier than anything else the fuckwad did.

[Monk06]

102. I have no trouble believing Edwards had an affair. The evidence is clear. There's a baby

As for fucking his (political?) ass off with a sleazy
nutball. Well who are you fucking your ass off with?
And how sleazy are he/she/they?

You need to tone down your language. You seem to be
overly invested, emotionally, in someone else's sex life.

And stop calling me honey. Someone might think I'm fucking you.

:rofl:

[Garbo 2004]

146. It wasn't Edwards' house. It was a house Young had rented. nt

[old mark]

90. I think this is just the beginning.....I think he has been doing stuff like this for many years

and a lot worse yet to come to light.

I'm very glad he didn't get elected - this would have been terrible for the Democrats had he been in any office when this came out.


mark

[LLStarks]

101. Edwards is a casualty of the 2004 election. His life was ruined and he saw fit to ruin it further.nt

[cali]

104. why was his life ruined by the 2004 election?

[Lorien]

108. Ah yes, let's do all we can to keep this crap in the news so the electorate remains distracted

and will continue to look down upon "those dirty Democrats" while saying that the foibles of those on the Right are "a private family matter".

[cali]

109. I just have to laugh every time someone repeats that.

[OllieLotte]

111. Nobody care. n/t

[Spike89]

112. Because we really need to learn the lesson...

I hate hearing this crap, but there is an awful lot we can potentially learn and it isn't all about sexual sleaze. It's about appearances and principles. JE was practically from Hollywood, young, handsome, very compelling family--you almost couldn't devise a more perfect template. He had a knack for saying what the audience wanted to hear, and saying it in a way that seemed totally sincere.

It is telling that JE not only voted for the invasion of Iraq, but was in fact a co-sponsor of the bill authorizing it. Yet, when both he and Hillary ran against the Iraq war, he got a relative pass while Hillary took the shots. Even more astonishing, Edwards was a proponent of the bankruptcy "reform" bill that was a blatant nod to banking interests at the expense of citizens in dire economic situations. Somehow, by saying only a year or so later that he was the champion of the downtrodden, he was credited with pushing Obama and Clinton to the left.

Those two things aren't any different in my mind from saying "I believe in strong family values" while screwing around. It doesn't matter what rhetoric a politician uses--what matters is what they do. Way too many people made a mistake with Edwards, but that is in the past. However, I see a similar situation in all the people claiming Obama has let them down..."I voted for a strong progressive and he's moved to the center..." when the record shows he was just slightly less progressive than Hilary (herself a centrist).

John Edwards isn't just a sleazy story, he's a loud lesson that we need to look more for what politicians do than what they say.

[dysfunctional press]

113. it used to be that you couldn't swing a stick in here without hitting a dozen edwards supporters...

where'd they all go...? :shrug:

[Plucketeer]

115. I was one!

Proud to say! So I was following a fallible human. Heh - doesn't make me ANY stupider than those who bought into the Change we can believe in, BS. How's that workin' out for you, BTW???

We can do NO MORE than follow the words we want to hear and hope there's some sincerety behind them. Edwards was the ONLY candidate that spoke about the plight of this country's poor. The ONLY one. And I'm not even amongst them - yet.

I've been beat up earlier on in this thread, but the allegations of my inferior IQ are only less plausible with the rising crecendo. If folks are closed-minded enough to just say no to the possibilities, then they're no better than the 41 club in the senate.

With Bernanke's reaffirmation today, it's obvious that Obama's as "bought" as anyone of the other hopefuls (save for Kucinich and Edwards) would've been. The REAL powers could see that Kucinich didn't have the aura to ascend, but they likely feared JE and the fact that he might really deliver on some of what he campaigned on. But to just simply dismiss him because he dipped his wick - that's an Ostrich manuver.

You want REAL change from the oval office? Put my poor, unknown, common-sense wielding ass in there. I'm too poor and reclusive to be beholden to anyone. For sure, we'd have no less representation than we do now!
Barring that, let's neuter Grayson and set him up for a run.

[BlueStater]

136. Right here!

And, sorry, I still don't regret supporting him or voting for him. You can look down on me all you want. I couldn't care less.

[SimonPhoenix]

120. I wonder when the tape will be online

Lots of people will want to view it out of morbid curiosity.

[fascisthunter]

121. from here on I am hiding these threads

what useless drama that people seem to be attracted too. Our country slips into fascism and yet a politician's personal life gets this much attention? Fucking crazy...

[Maru Kitteh]

130. Gosh, how will threads of any nature survive without you?

[fascisthunter]

137. the same way all threads survive without You

bubble news for bubble heads

[Mimosa]

126. Consider the possibility: Hunter was an agent to bring down Edwards

*
I have been doing a lot of 'figuring out' on this issue. Edwards himself had no real skeletons in his closet to be used by forces which didn't want him to become president until after his run with Kerry. I think he had an independent streak. He actually could relate to blue collar and middle class folks. His father had been a mill worker. I do see a bit of the "Lonesome Rhodes" character from the movie "A Face in the Crowd" in John Edwards' character. But that isn't the whole of him.

Foreign powers and internal entities are now more sophisticated than to have resort to assassinations to gain their goals. Psychological analysis and employing sleeper agents to be used 'just in case' can take out any threats. Taking out Edwards in such a painful way also serves as an intimidating effect on other politicians who might be inclined to get feisty.

Edwards own ego and stupidity brought him down. But I have a strong intuition Rielle Hunter is an agent who was working for a foreign power and/or the war machine. What brought me to the conclusion was the sex tape which she had made. She had that in readiness as a backup.

[Maru Kitteh]

131. You forgot the CIA black helicopters and the 3ft tall gray aliens from area 51.

Surely they have a place in this crowded drama of your imagination as well? Don't leave them out!


Consider the possibility: Edwards fucked a groupie and it didn't go well.


Occam's Razor: When competing hypotheses are equal in other respects, the principle recommends selection of the hypothesis that introduces the fewest assumptions and postulates the fewest entities while still sufficiently answering the question.

[cali]

145. bwahahahahaha.

loony.

[dems_rightnow]

147. Maybe she's on the Board at Halliburton now

:eyes:

[Liquorice]

127. I always knew he was a big phony and a narcissist, but I didn't know how sick he truly is. nt

[marlakay]

128. Of course she isn't going to get an abortion, that baby

is worth a lot of child support money from rich papa. Although I bet elizabeth will try to get as much as she can from the divorce.

[Maru Kitteh]

132. North Carolina is an "at fault" state. JE is royally in the shit, and he deserves it.