Venezuelan police fire tear gas at protesters

[naaman fletcher]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100128/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/lt_venezuela_media

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CARACAS, Venezuela – Police fired tear gas to chase off thousands of students demonstrating in the capital Thursday, a fifth day of protests against President Hugo Chavez for pressuring cable and satellite TV providers to drop an opposition channel.
Some of the protesters threw rocks at police in riot gear when officers moved to break up the rally outside the offices of the state-run electricity company.

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These are not "students" in the traditional sense. They are obviously paid corporate shills, because Chavez wears a red beret so real students would never protest against him since his policies are never wrong.

[cherokeeprogressive]

1. Sometimes I wonder...

Just how many people does the CIA have on its payroll?

It doesn't matter though, the truth that lives within Hugo will make itself evident and the conspirators will be wiped away.

[proteus_lives]

2. I hope that's a joke post.

Either that or you have chugged a two-liter of Kool-aid.

[1awake]

3. I was hoping so as well. n/t

[EFerrari]

17. Our friend has a sense of humor that can be dry as dust.

It's an art form, imo. :)

[EFerrari]

7. I don't know how many but man, who is doing their QC?

:)

[devilgrrl]

4. OMG! OMG! OMG! OMG! OMG! OMG!

:yoiks::yoiks::yoiks::yoiks::yoiks::yoiks::yoiks:

[Forkboy]

5. Agenda much?

:rofl:

[naaman fletcher]

6. What do you mean?

If one is reading news stories on a subject, one should not post one of them for fear that a fanboy of someone who is attacked in them will be upset? Please explain.

[Forkboy]

8. LOL

Who the fuck are you trying to kid? Go blow someone else's horn, Junior.

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[Boojatta]

111. Should someone who is reading news stories on a subject ...

.. refrain from posting about the story for fear that a forkboy will laugh out loud? Please explain.

[Forkboy]

115. Not at all. Feel free to post anything you want that will make me laugh out loud.

[Clintonista2]

10. Glad to see you debating substance

:eyes:

Hugo Chavez is not a God.

[Forkboy]

12. No shit.

I don't think he's all that at all.

And like I'm going to take Lirwin seriously on anything outside of gay rights. :hi:

[EFerrari]

13. But spamming GD with anti-Chavez threads is a little silly.

As is claiming that Chavez is not a god in response to no one claiming that he is.

lol

[naaman fletcher]

14. yeah right..

You have defended him against every single criticism ever made of him. If I am wrong, please correct me by posting a link.

[EFerrari]

15. Oh, no you don't. You dig your own hole.

You're doing fine so far.

[YouTakeTheSkyway]

86. To be fair, I've never seen you do anything but defend Chavez either.

[EFerrari]

11. It's interesting that this report makes no mention of the students out in support

of the administration. That can't argue any agenda, it's just a mistake. :)

[YouTakeTheSkyway]

87. Are they comparable in number? Are they also being attacked by the police?

I'm not asking to be snide, but sincerely because I don't know and haven't been paying much attention to Venezuela lately.

[laughingliberal]

16. I really don't trust our oligarchy to report objectively about a leader who helps the poor. nt

[naaman fletcher]

18. So how will you get information then?

Just from paid Chavez shills?

Do you question that the devaluation has destroyed the savings of the working class? It's simple fact, really. Do you question that Chavez has multi-hour rambling speeches all the time, and that he is shutting down TV stations that don't air them? It's simple fact, really.

But then again, it's nice to sit around coffee shops and dream of the revolution while the actual workers just had their savings cut in half in order to prop up the government.

[laughingliberal]

19. I do not support the efforts of the United States government to overthrow

democratically elected governments of other countries. And I do not believe the corporate sponsored media in this country has done a very good job of letting the American people know how much of this kind of crap we've pulled in South and Central America since the 80's.

He has twice been elected by the people of his country with far fewer aspersions cast on the fairness of their elections than there are on ours.

[naaman fletcher]

21. I agree, but I am not asking you to support his overrthrow. Please answer my questions.

Or, have you never commented on the internal affairs of any other country? Or are you making a special exception for chavez.

[laughingliberal]

24. I have told you before that I do not. If other countries elections are fair, open, and honest

that's more than we can say for ours and they get to choose who they want to lead them. Considering the 'protesters' in many of the protests against Chavez in the past have been women marching in their Jimmy Choos and men in Armani, I'm pretty sure I know who wants Chaves brought down.

[naaman fletcher]

25. since you don't commment on the affairs of other countries,

I find it interesting that you spend a lot of time posting in news articles like these.

[laughingliberal]

27. I oppose the efforts of the United States to overthrow the Democratically elected governments

of other countries for the purpose of installing right wing dictators for which we have been notorious in South and Central America since the 80's. That comes under the affairs of our country and I do not support these activities.

[naaman fletcher]

28. So do I. And it started well before the 80's.

I just don't think that we should support the exact same time of asshole simply because he wears a red beret and claims to be a leftist.

[laughingliberal]

30. I oppose the efforts of the United States to overthrow the Democratically elected governments

of other countries for the purpose of installing right wing dictators. Chavez is opposed by the exact oligarchs who have infiltrated our country and channeled our money to the top 1%. He has been elected twice by the people of his country and our last attempt to overthrow him failed as well it should have.

[naaman fletcher]

31. I concur. Why do you keep posting this?

Do you think that anyone who criticizes chavez must somehow support a CIA overthrow of him?

[laughingliberal]

39. would seem that way

I see no other reason to be so concerned about the leader of another country who has been elected twice by the people who live there.

[naaman fletcher]

44. that doesn't explain repeating yourself as if you have been hit over the head.

[laughingliberal]

47. Repetition is necessary before some people hear what's being said

I said, as I always do, I do not support the United States participating in the overthrow of governments of other countries' democratically elected leaders. The fact that Chavez was elected twice by the people of Venezuela would suggest they are content with his leadership. The fact that we have tried to overthrow him once before makes all the anti-Chavez propaganda here suspect. The fact that he did not like Bush was a sign of very good judgement on his part, IMO, also.

[naaman fletcher]

49. Mugabe was elected, too.

That does not mean that Chavez is Mugabe, but it means that just because someone is elected it does not mean that he/she can not drive country into the ground.

[laughingliberal]

55. Looks as if his party was defeated in '08 but violence against the opposition supporters caused the

opponent to withdraw.

Chavez stood up to the oligarchs. That's who opposes him. And I do not care for oligarchs. Would be nice if we could run them out of our country, too.

[naaman fletcher]

62. Sure the oligarcahs oppose him.

People who didn't want their savings stolen to shore up gov't accounts oppose him too, however.

But wait a second, why are you commenting on the internal affairs of another country?

[laughingliberal]

69. I'm commenting on the motives of those within our country who keep promoting the anti-Chavez

propaganda and my suspicions that they do so in support of the oligarchs who 'want their country back.' I think the oligarchy here wants Chavez taken out so they have access to Venezuela's resources and can exploit them and leave their people poor. Just as they are doing here.

[naaman fletcher]

70. I am sure the Oligarchy does want that.

No question. That doesn't meant that everything Chavez does is right.

[laughingliberal]

72. I don't know of any leaders who do everything right.

That's what elections are for. Whipping up the anti-Chavez sentiment here looks to me like a precept for another coup attempt. I see it about the same as I did the 'WMD' crap about Saddam. Not that I think Saddam was a good leader but the lies about the WMD's was an excuse to steal Iraq's oil.

Oh, wait! Venezuela has oil! Coincidence?

[naaman fletcher]

91. OK,

But some of your friends here apparently think that Chavez does in fact do everything right as they have never, not once, ever said that something he did maybe wasn't such a good idea. Instead they go to great lengths to turn these threads into anything other than what the OP was about.

[Dr.Phool]

83. Because you keep asking the same question?

[naaman fletcher]

95. A question that goes unanswered.

[Kalun D]

75. Chavez is not the same at all

since he came into power the disparity has gone down

In America the disparity has gone up since Raygoon took power.

we haven't had a president that took from the rich and gave to the poor like Chavez since LBJ

[naaman fletcher]

96. Taking from rich and giving to poor?

A better example would be taking from everyone, including the poor, for the Government.

Did you notice that while the savings of every Venezuelan was destroyed, the bond rating of the Venezuelan government went up? Do you think "the poor" are happy that Chavez stole their money?

[Kalun D]

119. You're Uniformed

You sound like a walking corp media talking point, you're spewing propaganda. Read Greg Palast, he has the real skinny on Chavez, all you have is garbage.

Chavez took a bigger cut of the oil for the people. He took all the peasants out of their cardboard shacks and into cinderblock homes with better food and stuff like that.

he's been democratically elected twice and the scumbag corporations that oppress people for money just can't stand that, so they spew garbage propaganda, and people like you repeat it.

[naaman fletcher]

125. Hold on here...

What you say is true entirely about more money for the people, etc. Chavez is/was a great hero in that regard. But hey, so was Mugabe when he was elected. My concern here is that Chavez is a megalomaniac, and that after the initial reforms which of course were very good, he doesn't really know what to do but his ego and desire for control isn't going to let him stop trying.

So you wind up with a situation where the success of his reforms leads him to do other things that are not so successful. For example, getting the oil industry under control leading to stuffing it with cronies who don't know what they are doing. Initial land reforms turning into confiscating the land of political opponents, etc.

When you say "spewing propaganda" it is not propaganda to state the the problems leading to the devaluation have destroyed the savings of the middle class. That is simple fact as true as 2+2=4. When everything is imported, and the value of your currency falls in half, the savings that you have are worth half what they were.

It is as destructive as sure as if the government just took half of everyone's bank account. Of course the rich already had most of their money in Panama, do are not as affected.

[Forkboy]

20. You just posted a link from Fox News and you question where others get their news?

Keep up with hyperbole...that surely fools those dumb ole DUers! :hi:

[naaman fletcher]

22. I get my news from everywhere.. all sides. That is the only way.

Or there is your way of getting it only from people who agree with you. that being said I normally don't post fox news links or trust them. It was a late-night oversight.

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[JVS]

50. "all sides" Nope. Only the sides that have the means to project their view to you though a medium

[naaman fletcher]

51. So what do you suggest?

One can't comment without personally interviewing every person? Would you agree that my way is better than only listening to pro-chavez news sources?

[JVS]

56. I would suggest that you stop posting completely.

[naaman fletcher]

57. Yes, that is a logical and thoughtful response to your worldview being challenged.

[JVS]

59. You should go where you're needed. That's not here. You post the same material about Chavez...

that is easily accessible to every DU member. In fact, it's easily available to every English speaking US citizen with a TV, newspaper, or internet connection. Perhaps the news you bring is more necessary in Venezuela. Go there and spread your message.

[naaman fletcher]

61. Isn't everything posted here easily accessible to every DU'er?

Are you saying that this whole site should close down? Or are you just a hypocrite?

[JVS]

64. I'm not the one who claims that I go where I am needed, you claimed that.

You're posting things we all see and hear quite often. We don't need you.

[naaman fletcher]

66. Are you saying that my posts are duplicates?

If not, how are you seeing this news on DU? Would you have posted the news of the protests against Chavez if I didn't?

[JVS]

68. Yes, there are plenty of other Anti-Chavez people here. N/A to the second question because the...

precondition is not met. No to the third question, because I don't see it as my job to correct DU for having leftist viewpoints, especially because I know that DUers are likely to be exposed to a torrent of Right-wing, pro-corporate, free-marketeer bullshit in the course of their normal daily lives. Consequenly, I don't really think that it's necessary to bring sources like Fox News here in order to Fair and Balance™ the place up.

[naaman fletcher]

71. yes?

OK, please link me to my duplicate post and I will stop posting here on Chavez issues.

[JVS]

73. Do your own homework. There are plenty of Anti-Chavez posters here already.

You're simply doing redundant work. Go to Venezuela where your message is not heard.

[Dr.Phool]

84. Trying to talk to that guy is like taking Marley to obedience school.

He's gonna keep humping no matter what you say.



Got dirt?

[naaman fletcher]

97. Another person who offers no actual rebuttal of the OP.

[naaman fletcher]

92. If there are some many other Anti-chavez protesters,

Then how come my links weren't duplicates?

[YouTakeTheSkyway]

102. It's weird to me that you've elected yourself the voice of ALL DUers.

[JVS]

116. God chose me.

[YouTakeTheSkyway]

118. Well, in that case, carry on

[Kalun D]

77. Greg Palast

Greg Palast tells the real truth about Chavez, funny I've never seen you post anything from him.

[naaman fletcher]

93. Never heard of him until now...

Of course it will take me more than just your word that he "tells the truth". Could you explain more about why he tells the truth? Is it because a cold reading of his articles contain useful information and analysis that stands the test of time, or is it because he agrees with your pre-conceived notions? I will certainly read for myself in the meantime.

[Onceuponalife]

109. You've never heard of Greg Palast?

And yet you claim to read "all sides"? Must be from the FAUX news side to the Wall Street Journal side, I guess. Get a clue. You're in the minority here. Deal with it and move on.

[YouTakeTheSkyway]

113. That was rather rude

Would you like to refute the contents of the OP now?

[Dr.Phool]

114. Never heard of Greg Palast?

Not a chance of getting a clue there. How many years, and how many books has Palast been writing?

It must be awfully lonely in his mommy's basement.

[naaman fletcher]

117. Being in the minority.. yes I am..

But, being in the minority does not mean that one is wrong. Often, the minority is correct. The minority was correct about the folly of the iraq war, for example.

Now, having googled Palast and gone to his website, yes, I have seen that before, but his name did not ring a bell at first.

My opinion on Palast is as follows:

His overall theme and understanding of the role of the US in Central America, and the way we have used fascists to do our dirty work as well as make our corporations rich is corret.

However, the left has a problem: The left seems to think that anyone who wears red and is against the US is a freedom fighter against fascism and our corporate interests.

Omar Torrijos would be one such person, and there are many others. I am a big fan of Lula today.

However, many thugs and murderers have cloaked themselves in that image, and are not worthy of our support. Chavez is one such example, in my opinion.

So, whenever I post anti-Chavez articles about 1% of the replies are people actually refuting or challenging what is in the article. Rather we hear about how bad the fascists are, etc, and there is an "us vs. them" assumption.

Well sorry, I don't believe that. Latin America is getting better, with men like Lula in the lead. Chavez is a thug, bully, and economic moron who simply cloaks himself as a smart revolutionary. He is not, and he is going to make the left in general look like fools as he brings the country down.

[Kalun D]

120. Palast

takes on the dirty sh*tstains on the face of humanity, that are the greed pig fascist corporations

Like exxon mobile and their Valdez spill

Like Enron 10 years before they became a household symbol of greed pig scumbags

Like the election theft in 2000 florida that none of the sold out media whores in the US would report on

Everywhere there's a big corporate crime that the laughable whores in the US MS media won't cover Palast is there

he has a team of about 100, I've seen him speak in person, he is the man when it comes to investigative reporting.

[Greyhound]

23. An ironic false premise. n/t

[1awake]

26. You can not argue

with some of those here who support him.. well you can I suppose, but it won't change anything.

[EFerrari]

42. Yes, we're so unreasonable with our facts and stuff.

What is the MATTER with us. :)

[1awake]

43. Has nothing to do with your facts EFerrari,

Let alone I wasn't referencing you. All you have to do is look up thread and see any one of the sub-threads which are nothing but personal attacks.. that's what I was referring to.

[EFerrari]

48. With respect, this is what I have noticed here.

People who actually follow Venezuela tend to support Chavez as well as other left leaning democratic leaders and they tend to read and discuss and research and in general, try to stay current with what is happening in Latin America.

On the other hand, people who don't support Chavez are a much more diverse group but as a whole, they tend not to follow Venezuela or Latin America, they don't spend much time in discussion and their contribution tends to be childish one liners like "tear gas smells like freedom".

On both sides, there is knee jerking but there is no real equivalence.

[naaman fletcher]

52. yeah right

"and they tend to read and discuss and research and in general,"

Yet you don't do it on this forum, in fact you completely avoid discussing anything at all about the underlying subject, as a quick review of this thread shows.

[EFerrari]

54. You're right. There was no way to take this thread seriously

:)

[naaman fletcher]

58. nor you, since you are incapable of commenting on OP's

[Kalun D]

78. Propaganda

doesn't merit any comment, other than to say

BS

[naaman fletcher]

94. So all anti-chavez reports are propaganda?

Or just this one?


Is it not true that the devaluation just destroyed the savings of the middle class?

Is it not true that Chavez has ordered all TV and Cable stations to carry one of his multi-hour speeches and that he shuts down stations that refuse to do so?

If true, are those policies that you support?

[Kalun D]

121. You can't trust

the MIMC, it's a corporate virtual monopoly

they own the TV 100%, Orwell was prescient, when it comes to the US TV, there's only dupes and perpetrators

[EFerrari]

100. I did and you ignored my comment.

But thanks for the rudeness. It can be very bracing. :)

[YouTakeTheSkyway]

103. Where did you do this again?

[1awake]

65. I have no argument with any of that,

and from my own experiences, this is probably true. But there are 3 or 4 people here who always seem to take great joy in attacking personally instead of refuting what has been said by others (on both sides) alot more frequently than with other topics.

As far as Chavez goes.. is it possible to believe most of what he has done has been very good for Venezuela, but lately.. being concerned with some of his choices? Thats pretty much where I fall in a nut shell.

Thanks for taking the time for your reply. :)

[EFerrari]

99. Yes, those personal attacks happen and that's unfortunate.

And, afaik, the anti-Chavez stuff in the media is stepping up again. It waxes and wanes. One of the indicators I use is when three or more anti-Chavez posters register to post anti stuff in our little LatAm forum and to do nothing else at DU. It's weird but it happens. And I take it to mean something is in the wind.

Oh, well. We'll see soon enough. :)

[YouTakeTheSkyway]

104. Uh huh...

Well, I'm sure there are plenty of folks who believe you die-hard "Chavez can do no wrong!" posters are an indication that something is amiss as well, but hey... at the end of the day, it doesn't matter, does it?

The only thing worth worrying about is whether or not someone can back up the claims and criticisms they've made on this board. And so far? I've yet to see anything posted that refutes the OP.

[Flaneur]

32. Your concern for the welfare of the Venezuelan proletariat is duly noted...

I wonder if you share the same concern for their neighbors, the Colombian workers. You know, the ones who are actually subject to real repression, like being assassinated.

[laughingliberal]

36. +1 nt

[naaman fletcher]

37. I noticed that you are a hypocrite on the name-calling.

I called Chavez an asshole despot and you called me out as being juvenile. However Fanboy has repeatedly attacked me personally and you say nothing. Obviously you are a hypocrite, and so your words mean nothing.

[Flaneur]

40. Shame on me. I'm going to rebuke that other poster right now!

I also detailed the name-calling in a post upthread. Read it and be ashamed of yourself.

And, oh, by the way, what about those Colombian workers? You know, the unionists being disappeared and murdered and all that? Or does your concern for the proletariat stop at the Colombian border?

On edit: No, I'm not going to rebuke Forkboy for name-calling. I re-reviewed this thread. You DID start it, unless you consider "Junior" an unforgiveable insult.

[laughingliberal]

41. His concern ends with the entrenched ruling class that Chavez

stood up to. Those Jimmy Choos and Armani suits they were marching in don't come cheap.

Workers? :crickets:

The poor? :crickets:

[YouTakeTheSkyway]

106. Last I checked, this thread was about Venezuela

If you'd like to discuss Colombia, I'd be happy to do so in another thread. Until then, it seems you're simply attempting to change the subject away from something you're uncomfortable discussing.

[Ignis]

45. ...

[YouTakeTheSkyway]

105. One cannot oppose all forms of oppression?

I understand that your goal here is to change the subject from Venezuela to Colombia - believe me, you're not the first to try it.

[YouTakeTheSkyway]

88. If you have some info. on why this story is inaccurate,

I'm sure we'd all be willing to take a look.

[BolivarianHero]

33. That Chavez is a fucking wimp...

Everyone knows he should have pulled a Kent State and used lethal force. He pussied out.

:sarcasm:

[laughingliberal]

35. Yes, that was my thought, too.

How soon they forget.

[YouTakeTheSkyway]

107. Ah, so anything less than a Kent State is acceptable. I see.

I tend to disagree, but at least you've set some clear standards. Tear gassing, clubbing, arresting are all okay, just no live ammo. Gotcha.

[naaman fletcher]

46. Funny "Bolivaranhero" supports a socialist. Bolivar was a free marketer.

Stew over that one.

[JVS]

53. Bolivar died in 1830. Alternatives to a free market had scarcely started to be articulated.

So it's really not a BFD

[naaman fletcher]

60. LOL.

Wealth of nations was only written about 50 years before. Prior to that the world was run by Chavez types.

Or are you seriously going to assert that free markets reigned prior to the wealth of nations?

[JVS]

63. Are you saying that Chavez promotes a re-institution of a feudalist economy with an aristocratic...

class?

[naaman fletcher]

67. no.

Just saying that the idea that there were no alternatives to a free market, when at the time it was the free market that was revolutionary, is absurd.

[Name removed]

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[Kalun D]

79. AGREE

the age old false argument that socialism equates to communism.

next thing you know he'll be arguing that Hitler was a socialist.

[naaman fletcher]

90. Where did I say that?

[Kalun D]

122. Red Hat

Isn't that a reference to communism?

Pretty common to demonize a socialist by calling them communist, just as common a people claiming Hitler was a socialist(also to demonize socialist), when that was just his propaganda, he was really a fascist (corporatist)

[naaman fletcher]

124. I'm not calling him a commuevoluionist..

I am pointing out that a certain sub-set of the American left gets all starry-eyed over revolutionaries who where red. As for Hitler I would agree that he is not a socialist.

On a side note, he was not really a corporatist.. he pretended to be one to get business's support in his rise to power, but business soon learned it's mistake and in fact capital was net fleeing Germany in the run-up to the war. Hitler was just an overall thug.

[Kalun D]

126. Smearing

"I am pointing out that a certain sub-set of the American left gets all starry-eyed over revolutionaries who where red."

So you're smearing the line between what Chavez is and what Che was to paint Chavez in a bad light. Equating communism with socialism which have similarities but are different.

[naaman fletcher]

89. Another person who offers no actual rebuttal of the OP.

[Warren Stupidity]

98. Your ignorance is now manifest.

[BolivarianHero]

34. That Chavez is a fucking wimp...

Everyone knows he should have pulled a Kent State and used lethal force. He pussied out.

:sarcasm:

[Kalun D]

76. Nahh

he should set up "free speech" zones and cage the protesters

he should wire tap all the phones and send people to Gitmo without charge

then he should bomb other countries for control of their oil

THEN he would be like the PIECE OF SH*T RULERS that run this country

[Renew Deal]

38. Tear Gas smells like freedom!

Viva Chavez!!!! :rofl:

[Prometheus Bound]

80. In current 'Google News' we have reports of tear gas being fired at crowds the following countries:

Haiti: UN troops firing on hungry Haitians
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=17265

Israel: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/29/world/middleeast/29palestine.html
http://www.imemc.org/index.php?obj_id=53&story_id=57813

Kenya: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/africa/article6990490.ece

Bangladesh: http://www.bdnews24.com/details.php?id=152383&cid=10

Ghana: http://news.myjoyonline.com/politics/201001/40023.asp

Ukraine: http://www.kyivpost.com/news/nation/detail/58205/

Egypt: http://af.reuters.com/article/topNews/idAFJOE60J0KJ20100120
http://www.rttnews.com/ArticleView.aspx?Id=1174080&SMap=1

Pakistan: http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=115921§ionid=351020401

Lebanon: http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1144508.html

China: http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5hgH2qJtb-56VcP-3dTDkxxnh28Aw

France: http://www.euronews.net/2010/01/21/french-youths-riot-after-scooter-rider-dies/

Yet Venezuela is the only one on DU news. T _ _ _ l.

[bridgit]

82. Yup, and proof enough that "We cannot permit this...

"The state and the government must impose authority." are words chosen by various oppressions round the world to either live by, stand by, or choke on in the process

[Flaneur]

101. Best post of the throad, and very telling.

Why is it that every time Chavez burps, the DU hate-Chavez contingent try to blow it up into some sort of crisis? Why is that?

[YouTakeTheSkyway]

108. If you feel these other instances of are being underrepresented

perhaps you should start some threads to discuss them? Either way, this doesn't change the OP, it's merely another cheap attempt to blur the issue.

[Prometheus Bound]

110. Lame post of the day.

[YouTakeTheSkyway]

112. Again.

if you feel these other instances are being overlooked and deserve further attention, start threads for us to discuss them. You won't do so, of course, because this was simply your attempt at derailing this discussion.

[bridgit]

81. Meh, they prolly had them some gas'n coming

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[howard112211]

123. "Police use teargas at demonstration" is news?

I met a few dudes one the way home yesterday who were coming from a student's protest, so I asked
them how it went. They were all pretty cheerful "Oh pretty good. A little teargassing here and there and
a beating of two with a club, but no arrests"