Triagulation2010: We're now peddling as "reform" a re-warmed 1993 GOP bill, as the President . . .

[Faryn Balyncd]

.....correctly points out.


Only now the GOP, instead of taking responsibility for the consequences, is booing from the box seats, calling their own former proposals "socialism" as they attempt to drag the terms of debate further to the right.


The GOP's success will not be in defeating the bill.


They have ALREADY succeeded because through such tactics they have manipulated the President into totally abandoning the public plan that was the heart of his reform, and adopted a re-warmed 1993 Republican No-Public-Option mandate.


And to top off their success, Democrats will get the entire blame and backlash from the voters, who supported the Public Option but strongly oppose the plan we have now triangulated ourselves into peddling.


The problem with triangulation is not in the losing, but in the "winning".






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"If Barack Obama’s bill gets changed to exclude the public entities, it is not health insurance reform…it rises and falls on whether the public is allowed to choose Medicare if they’re under 65 or not. If they are allowed to choose Medicare as an option, this bill will be real health care reform...."

- Howard Dean

[Edweird]

1. Doesn't he SAY the dreamiest things...That's all that's important.

Actual policy doesn't matter. Neither does keeping campaign promises. Just give us good kabuki theater and all is well.

"What 'Public Option'?"

[glitch]

2. K & R nt

[customerserviceguy]

3. That's why we need to walk away from this

Let the blame fall to the Rethugs, we'll reap it's harvest in 2012. Then, with the economy under control, we can make true HCR Job One. This time, we need to go for single payer.

[Faryn Balyncd]

9. 1+ . . . Voter backlash against mandates w/o Public Option will make MA look like ......

.....(fill in the blank)

[whattheidonot]

4. bad read.

The obama administration had a bad read on the mood of the country or were dissuaded from pushing real health care. if there was ever a time to push for health care it was at the beginning of 2009. That may not come around again. Between health care and paying for wars the average guy is just getting by maybe. health care is taken right out of pay. It cannot be used even if you do not use it. it is gone. if you have to use it in most cases it does not cover the total expense, which again cuts in to wages. The more people who do not use their health care the better for the insurance companies. Not necessarily good for the country. People hold back on care and then get a huge bill when sick. No incentive to see a doctor. This money has to find its way back into the economy. Sick people with no money do not buy much.

[sabrina 1]

5. Well, he has an opportunity now to

do what is right. His pleas to them yesterday we know, will fall on deaf ears. You are right, this bill, as the president himself told them yesterday, is a bill Republicans should love. He even reminded them of how it has their favorite HC 'reform' included in it, selling Insurance across state lines.

He sounded like he was almost begging them to understand how much he had bent over to please them and couldn't understand, since he basically gave them a bill only a Republican could love, they are still not supporting it.

I've thought a lot about his interraction with them. And what I saw was someone who needs votes to pass that horror of a bill. The Mass election killed the idea of '60' votes for it. Where can he get the votes he needs to pass it as it is? I think he was selling it to Republicans yesterday hoping for a few cross-overs.

I just don't see what everyone else saw yesterday. And he also went after Democrats, he usually does, he just can't criticize Republicans without including 'both parties'. He told Democrats this week to not bail out now.

Iow, his visit with Republicans yesterday imo, was to sell the Senate Bill which he originally thought they WOULD support. And he may get what he wants. I believe Repubs DID like the bill, but were going to let Dems pass it, then use it in the election knowing how unpopular it is. Now, however, their Corporate Bosses may instruct one or two of them to vote for it. Someone who is not up for re-election this year.

This is Obama fighting for what he wants, but sadly it's not what the American people want ~

[hunter]

6. The purpose of this "reform" is to rescue an unsustainable and corrupt industry...

... it's not about health care for Americans, it's a health care and insurance industry bailout.

Our leaders think this industry, like the big banks, is "too big to fail."

I think we should let it fail. As the industry sheds customers and employees they would be picked up by a Fedearal single payer plan and jobs program.

At the same time the Justice Department should be engaging in aggressive investigation of this industry and prosecuting individuals responsible for its corruption.

[blue neen]

7. Could you please provide more current links?

Thank you.

[Faryn Balyncd]

8. Pretty current: The 82% of former Obama voters who voted Brown in 2010 SUPPORT a Public Option......

.......yet each of these voters, despite supporting a Public Option, actually voted, either because of disgust, a sense of betrayal, or out of desperation, for a Senate candidate which promised to kill the current No-Public-Option bill.

This massive shift in voter sentiment against the current bill has occurred as the bill was stripped of the last vestiges of the Public Option that President Obama championed as a candidate, and which the voters still support.

How more current do you want?


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x7522662

http://act.boldprogressives.org/cms/sign/mapollresults




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"If Barack Obama’s bill gets changed to exclude the public entities, it is not health insurance reform…it rises and falls on whether the public is allowed to choose Medicare if they’re under 65 or not. If they are allowed to choose Medicare as an option, this bill will be real health care reform...."

- Howard Dean

[suede1]

10. Good post!

[Luminous Animal]

11. Can't rec but I can kick.