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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-02-10 05:25 PM
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" I'm especially interested in hearing Liz Cheney trash her own father's administration"
Edited on Tue Feb-02-10 05:31 PM by babylonsister
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2010_02/022213.php

REID WAS MIRANDIZED, TOO.... It's rare to get two cases of attempted terrorism that have as many parallels as the Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab plot last year and the Richard Reid plot in 2001. It's a straight-up apples-to-apples comparison.

Reid and Abdulmutallab used the same chemical, the same target, the same intended consequence, in same month of the year, with the same twisted ideology. They were both stopped by civilians. Reid's attempt happened when Bush was away from the White House; Abdulmutallab's attempt happened when Obama was away from the White House. (The only difference between the presidential responses was Obama reacting to the attempted attack more forcefully, more seriously, and with more depth than his predecessor.)

And the closer we look at the similarities, the dumber Republican talking points appear.


Republicans may have a hard time keeping up their talking point about how reading Miranda rights to the Christmas Day bomber represented a dangerous new direction under President Barack Obama.

It turns out that that back in December 2001, Richard Reid -- the "shoe bomber" -- was read or reminded of his Miranda rights four times in two days, beginning five minutes after being taken into custody.

Furthermore, the Bush administration specifically rejected the idea of a military tribunal.


Just six weeks ago, law enforcement officials informed Abdulmutallab of his rights "only after ... Abdulmutallab had stopped talking to authorities." This, according to Republican attack dogs, is outrageous -- he shouldn't have been read his rights at all. The Obama administration, they argue, is treating Abdulmutallab like the criminal he is, rather than the Super Threat that Republicans prefer him to be.

But in 2001, law enforcement officials informed Reid of his rights five minutes after he was taken into custody. And then again two hours later. And then again three hour later.

I know this reality is all terribly inconvenient for Republicans. Facts just keep getting in the way of a perfectly misleading narrative.

But at this point, the GOP and its allies have a choice. Either they can explain why they were entirely silent when Bush handled the Reid case the same way Obama has handled the Abdulmutallab incident, or they can shut up and accept the fact that they've been acting like shameless, transparent, dishonest hacks.

I'm especially interested in hearing Liz Cheney trash her own father's administration for the way it handled the case of an attempted terrorist attack. Go ahead, Liz, we're all ears.


—Steve Benen
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-02-10 05:41 PM
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1. K/R
Can't let this one sink.

Is Tin-Eared Lizzie reading this? I doubt it.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-02-10 05:46 PM
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2. k&r
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-02-10 05:47 PM
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3. Hiya, Swamp Rat!
Hope you are well; you've been quiet. :hug:
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-02-10 05:52 PM
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4. Way'at babylonsister!
:hi: I hope you are well. :hug:

I've been mostly lurking after a long break because of so much senseless and inane bickering. Plus, I'm finishing my last semester of classes in grad school and have a lot to do.

Nevertheless, I often seek out your threads and recommend them. ;)

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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-02-10 05:56 PM
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5. You're right about the bickering. And
Edited on Tue Feb-02-10 05:56 PM by babylonsister
your last semester?? I'm so proud of you! Congrats! Keep me posted, will ya? :toast:
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-02-10 06:26 PM
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6. +1,000
Rec
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-02-10 06:28 PM
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7. The Republican response, boiled down
"That was then, this is now. And we have a White House to get back. It's ours. We're entitled to it. Give it."
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MindandSoul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-02-10 07:25 PM
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8. That was done under Bush/Cheney. . .and they could do no harm!!!
But. . .the issue is moot anyway. Didn't you hear, this young man is now very happy to talk!

He is a very young, very easily influenced, lonely young man. . .this is why it was so easy for Al Queada to recruit him!
The fact that he is treated with a minimum of decency, and probably even getting some "friendship" (whether real or fake... let's not ask) out of his jailers is a very good means to switch his allegiance. . .without waterboarding!!!!

I think it was handled the right way!
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Catshrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-02-10 07:29 PM
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9.  I'm especially interested in "hearing" Liz Cheney STFU
She'd be nothing without her daddy's influence and adds nothing but petty partisanship to the debate on national security. Oh, and she's rude.
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-02-10 07:54 PM
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10. K&R
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Lord Helmet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-02-10 08:02 PM
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11. Oh boy. This should be good.
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Kablooie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-03-10 01:57 AM
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12. Repugs want to lock up for life anyone accused of terrorism.
because then they could get rid of all the Democrats by simply accusing them of terrorism.




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