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Writer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-26-10 11:56 AM
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Interesting NBC reports on Generation X from the 1990's.
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-26-10 11:57 AM
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1. 1994, the year I graduated high school.
Really, we are such a small generation compared to the boomers that I wonder if we can impact much of anything.
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Writer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-26-10 12:04 PM
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2. We already have impacted EVERYTHING.
From the infrastructure of the Internet to music to the White House.
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-26-10 12:12 PM
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7. True. I needed a pep talk.
There is over 70 million boomers and about 46 million Gen Xers. I looked it up. I guess we are not THAT small. :)
The one thing I got out of watching the NBC news spotlight on us from back then is that we were hard to market too. I wonder if they still view us that way now that many of us are in our thirties. Are we still so picky? We were a tough generation to define.
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Writer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-26-10 12:18 PM
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9. Yes, we are difficult to define, I think. However, our identity is culturally-based,
whereas I would argue that Boomer identity, say, is much more politically-based. Large swaths of us, regardless of race or creed, look forward to the next comic book movie and remember 8-bit graphics.

But we hate bullshit. We simply hate getting bullshitted to. That's why it was so hard to reach us through marketing. I think many X'ers can't stand the pretense of institutional politics, philanthropy, and business. Individuality is so very important to us. And despite our many accomplishments, we are not prone to bragging about ourselves.

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snooper2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-26-10 12:38 PM
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19. You think this wiki is fairly correct?
Born in 75' :hi:

"In the U.S. Generation X was originally referred to as the "baby bust" generation because of the drop in the birth rate following the baby boom.<1>

The term was first used in the UK in a 1964 study of British youth by Jane Deverson. Deverson was asked by Woman's Own magazine to interview teenagers of the time. The study revealed a generation of teenagers who "sleep together before they are married, were not taught to believe in God as 'much', dislike the Queen, and don't respect parents," these controversial findings meant that the piece was deemed unsuitable for the magazine. Deverson, in an attempt to save her research, worked with Hollywood correspondent Charles Hamblett to create a book about the study. Hamblett decided to name it Generation X.<12>

The term was popularized by Canadian author Douglas Coupland’s 1991 novel, Generation X: Tales for an Accelerated Culture, concerning young adults during the late 1980s and their lifestyles. While Coupland's book helped to popularize the phrase “Generation X,” in a 1989 magazine article<13> He erroneously attributed the term to Billy Idol. In fact, Idol had been a member of the punk band Generation X from 1976-1981, which was named after Deverson and Hamblett's 1965 sociology book—a copy of which was owned by Idol's mother."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generation_x
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-26-10 12:55 PM
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29. Interesting.
So Gen Xers in England "sleep together before they are married, were not taught to believe in God as 'much', dislike the Queen, and don't respect parents". I did live with my husband before we got married and my mother had to accept it or else! I was born in '75 as well. It is not that we disrespected our parents, we just disrespected their bs.
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tallahasseedem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-26-10 01:47 PM
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32. I was born in '75 as well...
what a great bunch we are! LOL!

;)
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-26-10 03:09 PM
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47. And there were a million girls named Jennifer that year.
I had 7 Jennifers in my class. All of us born '75 to '76.
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vixengrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-27-10 09:55 AM
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67. I was born in '72--I was in a math class where we had integers.
"Jen-1", "Jen-2" and on through 5.
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TK421 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-28-10 02:31 PM
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121. '75 here as well
:-) I remember being baptized because for some reason the holy water burned like hell
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-26-10 03:05 PM
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43. I kind of like Queen
though some of their songs were a bit much. :hi:
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-26-10 03:08 PM
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45. You mean you didn't love Fat Bottomed Girls?
My brother (also part of Gen X, born in '72) went through a huge Queen face when we were in high school.
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-26-10 03:13 PM
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50. When I first saw "Queen" on MTV in the early 80's they kind of scared me
I wasn't a sheltered child, but they still kind of scared me.

I think it was the hair.
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-26-10 03:16 PM
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52. Radio Ga Ga. I know, it was kind of weird at the time.
Edited on Fri Feb-26-10 03:17 PM by Jennicut
But they were in their 80's phase, which was a weird phase for them anyway. :)
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reflection Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-26-10 03:32 PM
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53. This is a timely conversation for me.
My daughters both LOVE Queen, and we spent the better part of 2 hours last night watching old Queen videos. We talked about Freddie Mercury, his amazing ability as a frontman, and just basically immersed ourselves in all things Queen. They are 10 and 7 and are enormous Queen fans. I'm proud of them. Queen was phenomenal. 'The Show Must Go On' still gives me chills every time I hear it.
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-26-10 04:00 PM
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56. They have good taste.
:)
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reflection Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-26-10 04:30 PM
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63. Be careful now...
they're also rabid Rush fans like their old man. :D
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TuxedoKat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-26-10 04:26 PM
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60. I didn't really appreciate how talented he was
back in the '70s and '80s, although I always liked Queen. Then I heard him sing "Barcelona" (1992 Olympics theme song) with Montserrat Caballe. OMG, what a voice. It was like I'd never really listened to him that well before. If a pop singer can hold their own with an opera singer and still sound good, then you know they are pretty darn talented. It's a great song, probably on I-tunes if you've never heard it. My daughters, 13 & 7, like Queen too. :)
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reflection Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-26-10 04:29 PM
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62. I'm going to go find 'Barcelona' tonight. Thanks. n/t
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TuxedoKat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-27-10 12:33 PM
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81. You're welcome. Here's a you-tube video...
I should have thought to look it up on you-tube, so here it is if you haven't already found it. I didn't realize Freddie Mercury wrote the song too, what an amazing talent. The you-tube version is a music video since sadly Freddie died in late 1991. Apparently Monserrat Caballe sang with his recorded voice at the opening ceremony though. If you've ever heard other pop singers sing alongside opera singers, well, any other attempt I've ever heard, the pop singers did not do themselves any favors letting their voices be heard along-side an operatic voice in comparison. Freddie held his own though. Rush is a great band too. It's funny, with Guitar Hero how many 60's, 70's and 80's songs my kids know.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MsB4a--WRTs

Next to Beijing, Barcelona had to have had one of the most impressive and dramatic torch lightings I've ever seen too!

http://www.mixx.com/videos/11213001/youtube_barcelona_1992_olympic_flame



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reflection Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-28-10 10:02 AM
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119. That is so good. Thanks!
Just watched it with the girls...
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gvstn Donating Member (485 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-27-10 05:26 PM
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92. Yes, I liked Queen but never thought about Freddie
Until this video long after he was dead. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNs362TcR2Y&feature=related

What seemed too flamboyant back then looks like pure bravery and guts to me now. Kudos Freddie!
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LisaM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-26-10 02:03 PM
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37. ?????
"And despite our many accomplishments, we are not prone to bragging about ourselves."


Did you forget the sarcasm icon?
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-26-10 04:28 PM
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61. Yes, their much-touted grasp of irony seems to be a bit exaggerated, doesn't it?
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FedUpWithIt All Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-27-10 04:12 PM
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91. +1 and i was born in 1972. n/t
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craigmatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-27-10 10:42 PM
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111. Which is why a large portion of Gen X were repubs. Look at your president back then. Clinton was a
dem who had repub tendencies. That nonconformity can also lead to cynicism which is why nothing big got done when you guys were in your 20's. I'm not attacking you guys just analyzing what happened and trying to make sense of things. Millinials are a generation of "We" which is why Obama is our president and we crave collective world improvement. We're more idealistic than you guys. Even though you guys were cool in your 20's. ;)
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bettyellen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-27-10 01:03 PM
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83. to say that the net and music (+Obama?) are "everything" is incredibly shallow and naive
but Im not going to pin that on the Xers. even though some of them need to unplug themselves once in a while and and just get out there.
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Writer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-27-10 01:08 PM
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84. When I say "from" something to another "something,"
That means that I'm creating a set wherein many more things are included

Why would you marginalize such a thing as the infrastructure of the Internet, anyway? How do you think we're communicating now?
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bettyellen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-27-10 02:51 PM
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85. so you meant a whole lot of significant things that slipped yur mind or were too lazy to list?
um this communication- with your intellectual lazy summary of accomplishments , and this conversation- is something you point to w/ pride? seriously?
i mean the net great for commerce, for sharing real info and images, but in a lot of cases the net has merely replaced or is killing off other things that worked fine.... tv, going to stores, newspapers, real life conversations with people. it's given people the illusion they can KNOW everything while sitting in their basement, going no where, which is kind of sad. it;s handy as hell, but it;s just another tool. in fifty years it'll be something else.
in the mean time, whoa... impressive list or "set" you got there for us Xers. I'm bursting with pride.
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Writer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-27-10 03:21 PM
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86. Wow. There was absolutely no reason for the personal attacks.
And yes, I am proud of what my generation has accomplished. I hope you have a very nice weekend.
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bettyellen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-27-10 07:46 PM
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94. not personal, but you did say you were think of cooler stuff just didn't list it?
so that;s kinda lazy. i kind of assumed from your moniker you cared about communicating effectively. my mistake.
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fishwax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-27-10 03:57 PM
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90. she didn't say those three things *are* everything
Edited on Sat Feb-27-10 03:57 PM by fishwax
When people say everything followed by a list, nobody reasonably expects them to then list "everything." Writer provided a list of examples touching on communication, culture, and politics. There was no suggestion that those three things are all there is. :shrug:
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bettyellen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-27-10 07:43 PM
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93.  i didn;t expect her name everything- just ANYTHING special -sorry but they were three lame examples

- no more or less any special than every other generation's schievements in culture politics or technology. it totally lacks perspective too.
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fishwax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-27-10 08:55 PM
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96. the list is fine
Edited on Sat Feb-27-10 08:55 PM by fishwax
"- no more or less any special than every other generation's schievements in culture politics or technology."

Then why such a negative tone in your responses towards her? She didn't claim her generations achievements were more or less special than every other generation's achievements.

And how does it lack perspective? Again, she wasn't claiming that "the net and music (+Obama?) are everything," as you implied in your first response.
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bettyellen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-28-10 12:16 AM
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113. so what was she claiming them? i pretty much quoted her, but please clarify
how she boaseted aout impact but it wasn;t special. and what was this mysterious "everything" and why couldn;t she list anything significant or what you admit was "special"
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fishwax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-28-10 12:29 AM
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114. um, she was claiming that Generation X has impacted everything
and cited the internet, music, and the white house as *examples* -- not as a complete list or as a suggestion that these three things are all there is. The phrase "everything from _ to _ (to _)" is a perfectly common construction, and hardly implies that the items listed *are* everything.

As for why she was claiming them? Because she was talking about how Generation X has had an influence on things. She didn't claim it was a bigger or better influence than what any other generation has done. There was no denigration of other generations or assertion of superiority. :shrug:
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bettyellen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-28-10 12:41 AM
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117. so her post (her list) was pointless + random, she said nothing of any import. I agree. thanks!
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fishwax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-28-10 12:42 AM
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118. well, if you think the only thing of import is putting other generations down, you're probably right
:shrug:

She pointed out some fields in which her generation has been influential. Why that raised your hackles so is anybody's guess :shrug:
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JohnnyBoots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-26-10 12:07 PM
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3. There's a lot of clean up from the Boomers to do...
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arcadian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-26-10 12:08 PM
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Yuh-oh
:popcorn:
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Drunken Irishman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-26-10 12:09 PM
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5. The Baby Boomers brought us the selfish 80s and Reaganism!
Edited on Fri Feb-26-10 12:09 PM by Drunken Irishman
:D
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snooper2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-26-10 12:40 PM
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21. No shit...I was like 6 or 7 when Nancy Reagun scared the shit out of me
Her stepford mug popped on the tv saying "Just Say No" "Just Say No" "Just Say No" :rofl:
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Drunken Irishman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-26-10 12:45 PM
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26. Woulda made a helluva an abstinence program back then, though...
Nancy's mug on panties.

I wouldn't dare approach.
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-26-10 12:58 PM
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30. Yup, she was a Stepford Wife type. Remember the "Just Say No" campaign
in school? I know she meant well, but we just laughed at it.
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SOS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-27-10 12:25 PM
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77. The 1980 election
Boomers (1946-1964) were 50/50 Reagan/Carter.
The younger boomers were the only age group to favor Carter.
The WW 2 generation went 55-40 for Reagan.
It was the parents of the Boomers who gave us Reagan.
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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-27-10 09:08 PM
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97. I believe it was our parents who brought you Reagan. Polls showed the boomers did not vote for him
in large numbers.
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Writer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-26-10 12:10 PM
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6. Yeah, I really didn't want this to crop up.
Sigh... can I have some of your popcorn?
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-26-10 12:15 PM
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8. Well, I love my parents and their music. I think they did some good things
and messed up A LOT of things. But I wouldn't just say it is all their fault. There are plenty of liberal boomers I have come across. And some conservative thirtysomethings.
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mindfulNJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-26-10 12:21 PM
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12. Oh jeez...here we go again.
I was born in 1960...not quite a boomer and not really an Xer. I'm a tweener...and I didn't vote for Reagan!
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Writer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-26-10 12:30 PM
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15. Yeah, it would be nice if we could just talk about Gen X identity without having...
to resort to attacks on other identities.

I know, I know. I'll get some more popcorn.
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johnnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-26-10 12:34 PM
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17. Born in 64
Talk about being a "tweener"..lol
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Touchdown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-26-10 03:46 PM
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54. You're definitely an Xer.
Although it depends on who's agenda and where the line is, the baby boom broke in 1963, so for practical purposes, Gen X started in 1963 (Kennedy assasination), and ended in 1982 (18 years to 2001, when the Melinials would reach the age of majority).

You and I (1965) are the oldest Xers, but somebody has to do it!:hi:
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-26-10 03:06 PM
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44. 61. couple nights ago hubby says i am a boomer, he a gen X. lol
sounds like huge age difference. but three years adn a couple months puts him in 65
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Writer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-26-10 04:03 PM
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58. I think it has more to do with cultural attitudes than what year bracket you fall into.
In my opinion, the first Gen X'er was David Letterman, born in April of 1947. :P
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TransitJohn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-26-10 01:57 PM
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34. How much popcorn should I make?
:rofl:
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-27-10 03:30 PM
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88. Just back up that dump truck full of corn
We already have all the furniture in the place ablaze...
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-26-10 02:37 PM
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41. Sigh... yeah. And this Baby Boomer is not proud of that.
Hey, all you younger ones - some of us sure tried. We REALLY tried. Some of us are still trying. But we have a lot of really ridiculous self-indulgence and self-involvement to live down.
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-27-10 12:12 PM
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70. Yep. The Boomer mindset is "Party like there is tommorow, screw the future!"
Edited on Sat Feb-27-10 12:14 PM by Odin2005
Well, the future is here, and you Xers and us Millennials are getting screwed by Boomer selfishness and short-sightedness. It was the younger (50s-born) Boomers more than anyone else that embraced Reaganomics and Militarism.
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Writer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-27-10 12:15 PM
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71. You're going to get my thread locked, man. n/t
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-27-10 12:16 PM
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72. Well, it's the truth.
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Writer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-27-10 12:17 PM
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73. It's also inflammatory, so it's pretty uncool.
Let's just talk about Gen X without the attacks. Would you mind, please?
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-27-10 03:33 PM
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89. Let's do this again: it's CLASS warfare, not generational
You cannot fathom how hard some of us 50s-born boomers fought against the Reagan Revolution, which was, by the way, set upon the nation by 'the greatest generation', ya know, like that Poppy Bush chap who wanted to rule the nation
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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-27-10 09:12 PM
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98. Absolutely incorrect. The younger boomers did not vote for Reagan, at all
The older ones only went 50/50 for him. How stupid to think those of us who were out there fighting against the Viet Nam war turned around and embraced Reagan's militarism!
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otohara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-28-10 12:35 AM
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115. Not Every Boomer Voted for Reagan
I remember crying like a baby - twice - November 1980 and again four years later.




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dana_b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-27-10 12:29 PM
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79. can we stop the generational fighting?
We are far from perfect too. There's really good people and some not so good in each generation.
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-27-10 09:55 AM
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66. we're actually bigger than the boomers
alhough I am not sure I can say we. Some people think I am a boomer (1962)

But if X goes from 1961-1981, here are the stats from 1990 (in thousands)

<5 18,765
<9 18,042
Xers
<14 - 17,067
<19 - 17,893
<24 - 19,143
<29 - 21,336
total = 75,439
boomers
<34 - 21,836
<39 - 19,851
<44 - 17,593
<49 - 13,747
total - 73,027
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Drunken Irishman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-26-10 12:08 PM
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4. I wonder what my generation will bring to the table.
I'm in that Generation Y.

Not nearly as cool. :P
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dana_b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-27-10 12:27 PM
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78. you are very cool!
I'm a Gen X and my kid is a Y like you. I feel like we haven't made enough of a positive impact for your generation and I want to leave a better mark for her and your generation.
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8 track mind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-26-10 12:19 PM
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10. My parents are from the silent generation
they are a night and day difference from the boomers. The generational stuff is quite interesting to read about.
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Writer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-26-10 12:35 PM
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18. Mine, too. They were both born in 1940.
Edited on Fri Feb-26-10 12:38 PM by Writer
My father, especially, has such a pragmatic, very traditionalist approach to life. It's very interesting in comparison to some of my friends who had younger parents who were more idealistic and possessed a strong sense of purpose.
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8 track mind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-27-10 09:32 AM
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65. Creepy.
My folks were exactly the same way. They don't blow money, they buy what they can afford, and they do bucket loads of long range planning. When it came time for my brother and I to start driving, they lent us the money to buy a cheap but good used car. Man we had to pay it back! You had two choices: find a job and pay it off, or work it off around the house
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TuxedoKat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-27-10 12:45 PM
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82. Mine too
although a little earlier. The previous generation (Greatest Generation, 1900-1924) always gets credit for rebuilding America and bringing it out of the depression and building the great infrastructure (albeit crumbling in some places) we have today but the Silents, born 1925-1944, or so, had to have had a big hand in it too.
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newportdadde Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-26-10 12:20 PM
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11. I'd love to see some of these people reinterviewed, see what happened to them.
I also found it interesting how in 1994 they had stats on falling household incomes etc, I'd like to see more of that in the media today.
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Yavin4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-26-10 12:24 PM
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13. Three Years Later, Generation X Would Bring About The Internet and Telecom Revolution
Gen X created an entirely new industry, improved communications, and re-engineered how we live our lives.
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-26-10 12:30 PM
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14. Generalizations about "generations" are folly.
Edited on Fri Feb-26-10 12:54 PM by TexasObserver
It is legitimate to describe how society evolves over time, but to label as a generation people born at very different times is absurd. The child born in 1964, the one born in 1971, and the one born in 1980 grew up in different worlds. The one born in 1964 has more in common with the one born in 1961 than the one born in 1971.

These generational labels are inventions that mean almost nothing.

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Writer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-26-10 12:34 PM
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16. It's about identity. It's not all socially-constructed.
"Generation X" is a label derived from literature, not from marketers. Are people born in different years different? Well, yes! But then every individual is different. What's shared is a similar historical experience.
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-26-10 12:45 PM
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25. It's the never ending need to assure oneself we aren't like our parents.
The children of the so called Generation X want to distinguish themselves from their parents. A label helps people form a self image.

Every kid thinks they're different from their parents, until they realize they probably aren't that different. When one is 20, we think like 20, and 40 seems foreign. But when one is 40, we think like 40, and we realize our naivete at 20 was palpable. When we are 60, we realize we just thought we knew it all at age 40. We have realized that our parents, who are 80, had things figured out a lot better than we thought they did from the time we were 15 to 50.

The older we get, the smarter our parents become.
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-26-10 02:32 PM
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39. The older I get the smarter my grandparents become
and the dumber my parents seem.
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JustAnotherGen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-26-10 01:56 PM
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33. agreed
On your comments re a child in 81 has more in common now with someone born in 1961.


If you read my post below? That old coot and I are still good friends. I really 'related' to the 'Greatest Generation' - my older Aunts and Uncles on my fathers sides. And my great aunt and uncles on my mother's side (her parents passed by the time I was 8). They were the ones telling us - have no worries, and no fears. That social 'net' is there. But you are going to have to take that American Dream for yourselves. That's why I like the bit in there about entrepreneurism.

That's what triggered by 'side jobs' of being a make-up artist, then owning a gift basket business. Now? I'm starting an Online Magazine for single women with a sweet spot of 35-44. Family Circle all the way to Bitch? I'm cynical - and sick and tired of being 'talked at' when my American dream didn't involve marriage and children.
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-26-10 02:59 PM
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42. Huge difference between early boomers such as myself
(born in 1946) and later boomers born in the '60s, also.
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endless october Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-26-10 12:39 PM
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20. thanks for posting this.
'93 '94 was my first year of college. hard to believe it has been that long ago.
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Daphne08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-26-10 12:40 PM
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22. Does anyone else who is aging find this boomer bashing
a bit disturbing?

I've noticed an increase in this trend over the last few years (especially among young Libertarians), and I'm beginning to wonder if there's an agenda driving it.

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Writer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-26-10 12:43 PM
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23. I wish it would go away, too. n/t
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snooper2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-26-10 12:44 PM
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24. I think this guy is part of the root cause
Edited on Fri Feb-26-10 12:44 PM by snooper2
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

http://www.boomershow.tv/



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Writer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-26-10 12:54 PM
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28. I wonder what a GenX Show would be like...
other than non-existent. :P
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Touchdown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-26-10 03:51 PM
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55. It would have to have Wynona Rider.
She's the GenX queen!
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-26-10 12:50 PM
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27. The essence of maturity is leaving behind a need to blame mommy & daddy.
Anyone who attempts to blame previous "generations" for their status hasn't fully matured. When one is mature, one stops trying to blame mommy and daddy for anything that isn't right in our life.

Anyone who hasn't stopped wailing about their parents generation by age 25 should toss that baggage and welcome true adulthood.
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LanternWaste Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-26-10 02:02 PM
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35.  There is.
"and I'm beginning to wonder if there's an agenda driving it..."

There is. It's called the myopia of youth... :P
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-26-10 02:04 PM
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38. Yes you have all the resources
and we want them.
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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-27-10 09:36 PM
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107. We do? I guess I've just forgotten where I put them. nt
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Codeine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-26-10 03:10 PM
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48. Your generation drank deeply of the well
then poisoned it for those coming up behind you. It can't be surprising to discover that there may be some irritation expressed by those who have been handed the shitty end of the stick and told to support the boomers for the twenty or thirty years of retirement they'll be enjoying.
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Daphne08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-26-10 04:02 PM
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57. We poisoned the well??
Edited on Fri Feb-26-10 04:05 PM by Daphne08
I don't even know what that means.

We've always worked hard and we've always paid our taxes (without the whine I hear constantly today from so many people).

Many of us have already raised our children, and many of us are now comforting our own parents out of love and for the sacrifices they made for us.

And this is the tripe we hear... that we've poisoned the well?

I'll tell you one thing we DID DO that your generation seems incapable of even attempting.

We got off OUR young, firm asses and took to the streets to end war and injustice.


Grow the fuck up.




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jdp349 Donating Member (372 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-26-10 04:23 PM
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59. "We got off OUR young, firm asses and took to the streets to end war and injustice"
A few decades later your generation started another equally foolish war and perpetuated the injustice... your movement was temporary. It faded away and will ultimately be looked upon as relatively inconsequential. The boomers cred of the 60's and 70's is long gone.

to quote Janet Jackson, "What have you done for me lately?"
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Daphne08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-26-10 04:36 PM
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64. Shooo, kid.
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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-27-10 09:33 PM
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105. +1 nt
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-27-10 12:06 PM
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69. Uh-oh, the Boomers are gonna come after you for criticizing their Narcissism Complex.
I find it amusing that it is popular for Boomer academics to call us Millennials "narcissistic". Projection anyone?

And the Boomer bashing of Gen-X is getting old.
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CBR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-27-10 12:18 PM
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74. They are VERY sensitive about critiques of their generation but
seem to have no problem yelling "Get off my lawn!" It is tiresome.
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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-27-10 09:18 PM
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103. Still confusing us with our parents, I see. nt
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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-27-10 09:33 PM
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106. Boomer bashing is getting quite old, too. Blatant ageism and nothing more. nt
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-27-10 10:08 PM
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109. Boomers projecting by calling us Millennials Narcissists is getting old.
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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-27-10 10:10 PM
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110. I never said that but this ageism is disgusting. nt
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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-27-10 09:17 PM
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102. And you all did, exactly, what? nt
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jdp349 Donating Member (372 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-28-10 02:27 PM
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120. I shouldn't have to explain simple concepts to someone who is 50+
Edited on Sun Feb-28-10 02:30 PM by jdp349
Your generation is winding down and approaching retirement.

Ours is just entering into the fray.

We're examining what we have to work with for the next couple of decades and it's rather obvious that It's much less than than when you're generation began to take the reigns of power. We're inheriting a country that seems to be approaching complete dysfunctionality and insolvency. Are we wrong to point fingers are those that have been collectively at the helm?

When people my generation study Modern American history and look at the counter culture movement of the 60's and 70's all we see is a whole bunch of talk and ultimately empty promises as EVIDENT by the current state of things. In other words your generation talked a big game but nothing else. Why this is controversial and not blatantly obvious I don't understand.

Hopefully our legacy will be cleaning up yours, though it might just be suffering through it instead.
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bettyellen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-27-10 12:22 PM
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75. X 1000
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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-27-10 09:16 PM
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101. Considering that our working lives were spent in companies without pensions
and declining wage structures, we aren't likely to be 'enjoying' our retirements. There is a consistent confusion here between the boomers and their parents.
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dana_b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-27-10 12:31 PM
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80. I'm a Gen Xer and completely agree
what is that terrible song that has that one line - "every generation, blames the one before". Terrible song - true line.
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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-27-10 09:14 PM
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99. The agenda driving it is ageism and it is as disgusting as any other form of bigotry. nt
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JustAnotherGen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-26-10 01:43 PM
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31. X-er here thanks for the video
We elected Clinton/Gore
4.5 Trillion Dollar Debt
McGeneration
Reality Bites hits the theaters
April 6, 1994 the Rwandan Genocide starts
Kurt Cobain's death is announced on April 8, 1994


I decided to take a year off from school (was studying Mass Comm and Poli sci) to re-group in Fall of 1994. I traveled "so-called socialist countries", did a co-op at Chase Manhattan, Worked for a man who was a 73 year old cynical old coot who had lucked out with his GI bill after world war II and built up a pretty sizeable 'empire' of apartment complexes and office buildings . . .

All the pop-culture in the world and '1994' couldn't outdo the influence that man had on me in what should have been my Senior year of college. We'd sit and talk in his office and he said kiddo: "You kids are gonna have to TAKE your American Dream". What's funny watching this video? I turned him onto Stone Temple Pilots, Sound Garden, Nirvana, and he was over the moon with Tori Amos. He turned me onto :rofl: Tony Bennett, Frank Sinatra, Dean, Sammy.

I don't think there is or SHOULD be a generational slam against the Boomers by putting this post up. I think looking 16 years to not knowing what I wanted to do with my life- that video from '94 explains A LOT about the DU'ers that fall into that age group - especially those of us who are under the age of 40 - and couldn't drink at 18. (Teasing you guys here!)

The Reality that bit was - It was EASIER for me buy 4 and X at 20 than it was to buy a six pack of beer - in the US. :rofl: Lucky me, I went to school at Niagara so I just walked over the border but I digress. :-) <------ This is the sh*t that made us cynical . . . and which is why so many of us remain cynical.

Me - I ended up finishing out my senior year - did a little more bumming around - then got PAID to bum around. I was working for a snow making company - with a bunch of lovely aging hippies. For a few years. Then I did not 'sell out' - but took my American dream.

And got into Telecom. Carrier Services, ATM, subsea private lines . . . you name it. Did I get the shaft? You betcha. But I'm glad I got the shaft at 28 and not 48. I learned in early 2002 (look up the Global Crossing nightmare to understand why) - bounce, roll, be cynical, go back to the basics kiddo: NEVER ever trust a large institution. Again - cynical asshole right?


One other thought - they 'flashed' on the screen a headline from the Roch D & C I think about 10K jobs lost at Xerox. My uncle was actually a senior manager there at that time and was encouraging me to apply post graduation. I did apply in November of 1996. He passed away a few weeks later. I got my degrees in December. And decided to turn away from the large corporation for a few years.

That ski industry marketing job? I was HAPPY to make 26,500 a year, have health insurance, have an old school pension, 401k, dental, vision, 3 weeks vaction, sick time. . .

So when we get into the 'generational tit for tat' - I think the Boomers and Gen Xers need to put our own issues on the back burner - and think about the Gen Y folks at DU - who cannot even find an alternative way (snow making bum :rofl: ) to Take Their American Dream.

Least we could do is make dayum sure they have general health, vision, dental. It's the least we could do for them. Beginning to wonder if it's going to happen - but this video put me back into cynic mode! :rotfl:

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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-26-10 03:15 PM
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51. I have had more then 6 jobs since I graduated college in 1999. Layoffs
upon layoffs. I did quit my final job to stay home with my kids but am about to go back to work again to be a preschool teacher. We are cynical because nothing was cut and dried for us, ever. I worry about Gen Y, they have it tougher then we did. A lot tougher, with the collapse of the economy. I am glad I got my house at 25, when we could afford it.
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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-27-10 09:21 PM
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104. That differs not at all from the path of my career (except for the part about being able to stay
home for a while) except that my work life now spans 30 years. You all keep confusing us with our parents. Nothing was cut and dried for the working class boomers, either. At least not those of us born in the 2nd half.
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-26-10 02:03 PM
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36. The waiting for your parents to retire generation now nt.
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Sebastian Doyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-26-10 02:35 PM
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40. Generation X broke up in 1981
Damn whore media can't get anything right. :mad:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_sJ6-4C_Ws
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-26-10 03:09 PM
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46. What I like about my generation is:
In 8th grade, our junior high conducted a "nuclear war drill" (we were 15 minutes from San Francisco).

When they told my homeroom full of 13 year olds to duck and cover, instead of getting under our desks, the entire class burst into laughter. However, since our generation is skeptical rather than rebellious, we did ultimately get under our desks and were polite and quiet while our homeroom teacher told us how San Bruno Mountain might protect us by blocking the blast from a nuclear bomb in San Francisco.

:shrug:

But I always remember thinking, "see, we're not so dumb".
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-26-10 03:11 PM
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49. hey... on this one it says 61 to 81. they keep throwing me into the different groups
i thought it was 65?
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-27-10 12:03 PM
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68. The sociological generation starts in '61
the demographic baby boom doesn't exactly correspond to the sociological generations. the Boomers are folks born from 1943 to 1960.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-27-10 11:34 PM
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112. ah ha ha. that is funny. havent even heard that one. boomer doesnt work
they talk about hippies, free love, protesting 'nam.... and 61's are not a part of that. so i never felt a part of that.

will check out what you posted. never heard of that
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-28-10 12:35 AM
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116. I suggest the book "The Fourth Turning" by social historians Bill Strauss and Neil Howe.
Edited on Sun Feb-28-10 12:40 AM by Odin2005
Really good stuff about about the sociology of generations and how they fit into an 80-year-long social-political-cultural cycle. According to the book us Millenials are a "civic" or "hero" generation, like the Greatest Generation, and will be similar to them: science and technology oriented, collectivistic, hubristic in elderhood.

Gen-X is like the "Lost" Generation of Truman, Ike, etc.; a "nomad" generation.

Boomers are a "prophet" generation like the Muckraker generation of William Jennings Bryan, Bob LaFolette, Hoover and FDR.
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MrMickeysMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-27-10 12:22 PM
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76. I'm the class of 71, so my question to your generation is...
What do you think of advertising today (in all of its media forms) ???

Personally, I think it's more bullshit, visually stimulating bullshit, no matter WHO Maddison Ave is reaching out to.
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nonconformist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-27-10 03:26 PM
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87. Born in 1973, graduated in 1991
And I'm commenting so I remember to come back later and watch the video and read the whole thread when I have more time.
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boston bean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-27-10 08:14 PM
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95. I was born in 68.
I have no ill regard for my boomer parents. I love them. They did good by me.

I feel many gen xers are quite judgmental. Always blaming someone else. Feel they should be dealt a better hand.

Well, generations before the boomers didn't have it so great. This country works in cycles.

We just happen to be in a shitload of trouble economy wise and war and regressing. Take a short look back in history, and you will find your answers. I think many gen xers are quite conservative. They are part of the reason we are regressing instead of progressing. Maybe generations after us will pick up the mantle the boomers started, cause the xers sure as hell haven't.
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ChimpersMcSmirkers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-27-10 09:15 PM
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100. Gen X'er here (born in 1970). I remember when I graduated college in
Edited on Sat Feb-27-10 09:16 PM by ChimpersMcSmirkers
1992, we used to say, "Would you like fries with that degree?" because of the lack of jobs.

Bad recession then, but nothing like what we're seeing now.

This is Scrubdashrub, btw (hubby is logged in).
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craigmatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-27-10 09:38 PM
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108. Damn I'm a millenial. wish I was a gen. Xer
Edited on Sat Feb-27-10 09:48 PM by craigmatic
They were so nonconformist, anti-establishment, and cool while my generation is so conformist. Generation X was smart enough to realize that corporations control everything and consumerism is bullshit. That's why the 90's rocked.
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