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Prophet 451 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-01-10 05:01 AM Original message |
The Psychopathology of Ayn Rand |
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Chulanowa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-01-10 05:12 AM Response to Original message |
1. Any talk of Ayn Rand always brings this to mind... |
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Prophet 451 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-01-10 05:19 AM Response to Reply #1 |
2. Not sure if I should laugh or cry n/t |
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Dogmudgeon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-01-10 05:27 AM Response to Reply #1 |
3. Charles Atlas Shrugged |
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Jkid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-01-10 05:35 AM Response to Original message |
4. Every time /lit/ (4chan) has a Ayn Rand thread, it turns into a shitstorm. |
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Prophet 451 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-01-10 05:44 AM Response to Reply #4 |
6. I can understand that |
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Jkid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-01-10 05:51 AM Response to Reply #6 |
7. Makes perfect sense... |
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nxylas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-01-10 01:50 PM Response to Reply #6 |
27. "Swarm" is a good word |
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Prophet 451 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-01-10 02:53 PM Response to Reply #27 |
34. I always thought that too |
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nxylas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-01-10 05:23 PM Response to Reply #34 |
56. Yes, but HuffPo is a single, high-profile site |
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Lars77 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-01-10 05:38 AM Response to Original message |
5. The dangers of utopian thinking |
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Prophet 451 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-01-10 05:52 AM Response to Reply #5 |
8. I'm not sure if Rand's ideas were utopian |
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Lars77 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-01-10 06:06 AM Response to Reply #8 |
9. But i think the politicians are a bit different than Rand. |
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LongTomH (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-02-10 09:17 AM Response to Reply #8 |
73. I believe the author you're referring to is Kevin Phillips |
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liberation (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-01-10 04:04 PM Response to Reply #5 |
41. I don't think either Stalin, Pol Pot, or Hitler themselves were utopian on the slightest |
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Prophet 451 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-01-10 04:24 PM Response to Reply #41 |
47. I hadm't considered your last point |
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AlbertCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-01-10 06:26 PM Response to Reply #41 |
57. to use her own demented "novels" as proof of a reality which never existed, |
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BrklynLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-01-10 09:30 PM Response to Reply #57 |
63. Well, the Scientologists did it with L. Ron Hubbard!!! |
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Smarmie Doofus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-01-10 06:39 AM Response to Original message |
10. Kick. Lookin' good. Later. nt |
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Prophet 451 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-01-10 06:49 AM Response to Reply #10 |
11. Cheers n/t |
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geckosfeet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-01-10 07:04 AM Response to Original message |
12. I read some Rand in college - Atlas Shrugged. I was initially taken |
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jsmithsen (68 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-01-10 07:08 AM Response to Original message |
13. Market Totalitarianism |
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Prophet 451 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-01-10 07:23 AM Response to Reply #13 |
15. "To the Libertarian the market contains its own checks and balances" |
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liberation (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-01-10 04:10 PM Response to Reply #15 |
45. Indeed, I also find it interesting that just like religious people, libertarians |
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jsmithsen (68 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-01-10 07:15 AM Response to Original message |
14. Big Government Conservatism |
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saltpoint (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-01-10 07:25 AM Response to Original message |
16. I read her when I was too young to understand the references in this |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-01-10 07:47 AM Response to Original message |
17. In reality |
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Prophet 451 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-01-10 10:16 AM Response to Reply #17 |
22. Of course |
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snagglepuss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-01-10 07:50 AM Response to Original message |
18. . |
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druidity33 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-01-10 07:55 AM Response to Original message |
19. I thought she was a sociopath... |
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Prophet 451 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-01-10 08:49 AM Response to Reply #19 |
20. Errr |
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Echo In Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-01-10 10:21 AM Response to Reply #19 |
23. I'm convinced upon reading about her fantasy/obsession w/ a child killer |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-01-10 09:05 AM Response to Original message |
21. K&R |
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dem mba (732 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-01-10 01:23 PM Response to Original message |
24. [rolls eyes] |
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Lyric (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-01-10 01:32 PM Response to Reply #24 |
25. Ahem. |
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TwentyFive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-01-10 02:33 PM Response to Reply #24 |
29. I would recommend anybody read Ayn Rand. Both the Left and Right don't 'get' her. |
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TwentyFive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-01-10 02:45 PM Response to Reply #29 |
31. Rand opposed Racism & Theocracy - when many democrats supported Jim Crow laws and Prayer in schools. |
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Prophet 451 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-01-10 02:46 PM Response to Reply #31 |
33. Which is why I used her actual published words |
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MattBaggins (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-01-10 04:05 PM Response to Reply #33 |
42. Exactly |
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AlbertCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-01-10 06:36 PM Response to Reply #31 |
58. when many democrats supported Jim Crow laws and Prayer in schools. |
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MattBaggins (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-01-10 04:03 PM Response to Reply #29 |
40. There is nothing to get. |
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liberation (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-01-10 04:16 PM Response to Reply #29 |
46. People who tend to put words and actions on dead people... |
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Ka hrnt (235 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-01-10 09:04 PM Response to Reply #29 |
62. As would I. |
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Prophet 451 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-01-10 02:45 PM Response to Reply #24 |
32. There is a difference |
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dem mba (732 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-01-10 04:32 PM Response to Reply #32 |
50. Christianity has been discredited??? |
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Prophet 451 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-01-10 05:03 PM Response to Reply #50 |
54. I said Christian *THEOCRACY* had been discredited n/t |
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liberation (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-01-10 09:45 PM Response to Reply #50 |
64. I don't think the term "discredited" means what you think it means... |
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AlienGirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-01-10 04:08 PM Response to Reply #24 |
43. You slogged through "Mein Kampf" AND "The Fountainhead"? You have great endurance |
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dem mba (732 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-01-10 04:37 PM Response to Reply #43 |
52. well I couldn't get through Moby Dick |
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enuegii (624 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-01-10 10:56 PM Response to Reply #52 |
66. No, I believe the whale actually caught them. |
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dbmk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-02-10 05:10 AM Response to Reply #24 |
69. But does the shoe fit or not? |
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dem mba (732 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-02-10 11:04 PM Response to Reply #69 |
86. my point is that I don't care if Rand is a psychopath |
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liberation (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-02-10 05:57 PM Response to Reply #24 |
81. I give your attempt at establishing a false assumption a 5 out of 10. Real sloppy job there... |
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dem mba (732 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-02-10 11:01 PM Response to Reply #81 |
85. so your problem is with how people react to a piece of literature? |
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Ka hrnt (235 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-02-10 08:50 PM Response to Reply #24 |
84. Dismissive because it's a smear. |
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DirkGently (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-01-10 01:45 PM Response to Original message |
26. I think she's got the "pathological |
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Prophet 451 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-01-10 02:40 PM Response to Reply #26 |
30. That's exactly what it means |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-01-10 01:54 PM Response to Original message |
28. Ayn Rand was a bodice in search of a ripper. aka: A "real" man. |
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TygrBright (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-01-10 03:26 PM Response to Original message |
35. I think you're being too kind. |
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Prophet 451 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-01-10 03:42 PM Response to Reply #35 |
36. lol |
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TygrBright (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-01-10 03:48 PM Response to Reply #36 |
37. When you want to gouge your own eyeballs out by page three... |
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Prophet 451 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-01-10 04:00 PM Response to Reply #37 |
39. I thought that was just me |
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liberation (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-01-10 04:30 PM Response to Reply #39 |
48. When I finished Atlas Shrugged, I felt very angry that this hack had stolen all that time |
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Prophet 451 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-01-10 08:08 PM Response to Reply #48 |
61. An actually virtuous person... |
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ismnotwasm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-01-10 03:56 PM Response to Original message |
38. I read those two excruciating boring books |
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JPZenger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-01-10 04:10 PM Response to Reply #38 |
44. The right wingers desparately try to ignore her strong atheism |
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AlbertCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-01-10 06:53 PM Response to Reply #44 |
60. The right wingers desparately try to ignore her strong atheism |
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grahamhgreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-01-10 04:30 PM Response to Original message |
49. Libertarianism/Republicanism = Legendary Selfishness |
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Javaman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-01-10 04:33 PM Response to Original message |
51. Isn't this an Alternet article? |
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liberation (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-01-10 04:52 PM Response to Reply #51 |
53. I feel better now, knowing there is a Supreme Court Justice who requires his clerks... |
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Prophet 451 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-01-10 05:07 PM Response to Reply #51 |
55. No but thank you n/t |
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Javaman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-01-10 06:40 PM Response to Reply #55 |
59. It seems like you lifted directly from it. nt |
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AlbertCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-02-10 01:24 PM Response to Reply #51 |
79. The Fountainhead is Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas's favorite book |
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salib (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-01-10 09:47 PM Response to Original message |
65. Quote for the day |
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saltpoint (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-01-10 11:05 PM Response to Original message |
67. A thoughtful, provocative, and handsomely written post, Prophet. |
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Prophet 451 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-02-10 08:43 AM Response to Reply #67 |
70. No, thank you n/t |
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tcaudilllg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-02-10 02:03 AM Response to Original message |
68. Rand is dead. Get over her |
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Prophet 451 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-02-10 08:49 AM Response to Reply #68 |
71. Love to |
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saltpoint (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-02-10 09:25 AM Response to Reply #68 |
74. The thing is with literature, though, is that even after the author has |
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FormerDittoHead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-02-10 08:53 AM Response to Original message |
72. I'd like to have a concise collection of anti-Christian quotes of hers to use when it comes up. |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-02-10 11:24 AM Response to Original message |
75. This is as good a summary of Ayn Rand's philosophy and character as I've seen |
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Prophet 451 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-02-10 01:07 PM Response to Reply #75 |
78. Thanks, man n/t |
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PurpleChez (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-02-10 11:56 AM Response to Original message |
76. I started college as an architecture major |
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keith the dem (587 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-02-10 02:00 PM Response to Reply #76 |
80. As an Architect, I was interested in reading The Fountainhead, |
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liberation (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-02-10 06:07 PM Response to Reply #80 |
82. I have a PhD in Engineering and have to deal with randbots on an almost hour basis |
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PurpleChez (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-02-10 11:56 AM Response to Original message |
77. Should've said in first post... |
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upi402 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-02-10 06:12 PM Response to Original message |
83. Reject civil societies, think 'animal kingdom' survival of the weaseliest |
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Ladyhawk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-02-10 11:17 PM Response to Original message |
87. I'm an "athieist" as you would say, but I can't stand Ayn Rand's philosophy. |
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Prophet 451 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-02-10 11:33 PM Response to Reply #87 |
88. Didn't mean to |
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