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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-29-07 11:54 PM
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If a Nation Is Forced by One Man to Fight a War that Nobody Else Wants…
… Can that nation be considered a democracy?

That is the question posed on the front cover of the most recent issue of The Nation. Not the front page, the front cover. Here is the full text of the front cover of the February 5th issue of The Nation (with the complete article inside):

World opinion is against the US escalation in Iraq. The American people are against it. The Iraqi people are against it. The Iraqi government is against it. Can a single man force a nation to fight a war it does not want to fight, expand a war it does not want to expand? If he can, is that nation any longer a democracy in any meaningful sense? If not, how can democratic rule and the republican form of government be restored?

I believe that that is the central issue before our country today (the question of impeaching and removing Bush and Cheney from office is part of the same issue). Many of our Congresspersons have said, or act as if, the decision to make or expand a war is out of their hands. But the American people should not accept that evasion of Congressional responsibility.


War is Congress’s responsibility

In the first place, our Constitution clearly gives Congress, not the President, the authority to wage war.

Secondly, having been severely burned by Richard Nixon’s continued bombing of Cambodia, in 1973 Congress passed, and overrode a Presidential veto, to enact the War Powers Act, which reasserted Congress’s Constitutional authority to declare war. The purpose of the War Powers Act was specified as:

to fulfill the intent of the framers of the Constitution of the United States and insure that the collective judgment of both the Congress and the President will apply to the introduction of United States Armed Forces into hostilities, or into situations where imminent involvement in hostilities is clearly indicated by the circumstances, and to the continued use of such forces in hostilities or in such situations.

To accomplish this, the law required that the President make periodic reports to Congress on the progress of hostile military activities, and within 60 days of these reports (or whenever they are due) “the President shall terminate any use of United States Armed Forces … unless the Congress”:

1) Has declared war or has specifically authorized the use of U.S. Armed Forces OR
2) Has extended the 60 day period OR
3) Is physically unable to meet.

The law then authorizes the President “not more than an additional thirty days if the President determines and certifies to the Congress in writing” that the safety of the troops requires that extra time.

And lest there be any misunderstanding as to Congress’s power to end hostilities, irrespective of Presidential desires, the law specifies:

At any time that United States Armed Forces are engaged in hostilities outside the territory of the United States, its possessions and territories without a declaration of war or specific statutory authorization, such forces shall be removed by the President if the Congress so directs by concurrent resolution.

Thus, our Constitution, alone or in combination with the War Powers Act, clearly gives Congress the authority – not to mention the responsibility – to terminate our war in Iraq, even without cutting off funds for it.

But what about the Iraq War Resolution, which some claim gives George Bush the authority to continue this war indefinitely?


On the ridiculously absurd claim that the Iraq War Resolution gives George Bush the authority to indefinitely continue his Iraq war

So let’s take a look at the Iraq War Resolution, which authorizes the President to:

… use the Armed Forces of the United States as he determines to be necessary and appropriate in order to defend the national security of the United States against the continuing threat posed by Iraq; and enforce all relevant United Nations Security Council resolutions regarding Iraq.

And the IWR then goes on to state that in order to exercise that authority, the President must:

… make available to the Speaker of the House of Representatives and the President pro tempore of the Senate his determination that… reliance by the United States on further diplomatic or other peaceful means alone either will not adequately protect the national security of the United States against the continuing threat posed by Iraq or is not likely to lead to enforcement of all relevant United Nations Security Council resolutions regarding Iraq.

Ok, let’s be serious about this. Congress authorized George Bush to use our military to “defend the national security of the United States against the continuing threat posed by Iraq”. The “continuing threat” in question was the so-called “weapons of mass destruction” that Iraq allegedly had. In the first place, the “weapons of mass destruction” that were allegedly possessed by Iraq were a lie. Secondly, even if Iraq had possessed those weapons they would not have posed a threat to our country. Thirdly, even if those weapons ever were there, they’re not there any more. Fourthly, the regime that allegedly possessed those weapons is gone. And fifthly …. Oh, what the hell, that’s plenty enough. Bush lied about the threat, the threat never existed, and the threat that never existed is gone. How on earth can that be spun into an argument that claims that the Iraq War Resolution still applies???


A brief look at relevant 20th Century history

Ok, now I’m going to say something that I don’t exactly want to say, since it could be taken as a defense of George Bush (which it is definitely NOT), but I’ll say it anyway because I believe it needs to be said, and we need to recognize it so that we can do something about it: The Presidential usurpation of Congress’s authority to declare war did not begin with George Bush and Dick Cheney.

It is probably most correct to say that it began with Harry Truman when he sent troops to fight in the Korean War – which he should not have done without seeking and obtaining Congressional authority. Nor should Dwight Eisenhower have acquiesced in the CIA plan to overthrow the democratically elected government of Iran (And if you don’t think that was an act of war, consider what the reaction here would be if Iran overthrew our government). Nor should have John F. Kennedy invaded Cuba. Nor should have Lyndon Johnson gotten us into an undeclared war against Vietnam. Nor should have Richard Nixon secretly expanded that war to Cambodia. Nor should have Ronald Reagan lied to the American people about the Contra War in Nicaragua and continued to fund it after Congress expressly forbid him to do so.

My point is that once the precedent was set, it became easier and easier for Presidents to continue it, bypassing Congress in their haste to involve our country in various military adventures, notwithstanding the fact that they lacked the legal Constitutional authority to do so. Thus, in the interest of international peace and harmony, maintaining democratic government in our country, and avoiding a world wide catastrophe, our country needs to think long and hard about that and get itself back on track before it’s too late.

Not that I consider each of the above noted Presidential actions to be equally irresponsible and harmful. Not by a long shot. I have a good deal of respect for Truman and Kennedy, and Johnson too in some respects. The scope of George Bush’s illegal actions in Iraq far surpass most of the others, both in the degree of deception with which they were initiated and in the long term catastrophe that they have caused – though Nixon’s and Reagan’s actions run a not too distant second and third.


Some final thoughts

I go back to the opening quote of this post: If a nation is forced by one man to fight a war that nobody else wants, can that nation be considered a democracy? I don’t know if it’s fair to say that such a situation defines tyranny. But I will say that when a nation finds itself in that position, tyranny probably can’t be very far behind.

It should be patently obvious at this point that George Bush will continue the war in Iraq, not to mention expand it to Iran, until he is forced to do otherwise. Last November the American people voted out of office an intensely unpopular Congress. Their main motivation for doing that was to end the Iraq War.

Thus, we now have a Congress that has a popular mandate, the legal authority, and the moral responsibility to end that war, through any and all means at its disposal: It can cut off funding for the war; it can reassert its Constitutional authority; it can reassert the powers that it gave itself with the War Powers Act of 1973; it can proclaim the obvious fact that the Iraq War Resolution does NOT give George Bush the authority to continue an illegal war that was begun under false pretenses; and, it can do all of those things together. But the best option of all would be to impeach and remove from office George Bush and Dick Cheney – not just for the treasonous act of committing their country to war under totally false pretenses, but for a myriad of other reasons as well.
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-30-07 02:09 AM
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1. The Nation article I quoted at the beginning of the OP also has something to say about impeachment
Noting that the Democratic effort to impeach Nixon was followed by huge Democratic gains in Congress later that fall (1974) and two years after that by Jimmy Carter’s election to the Presidency, it goes on to say:

…recall that investigations that could lead to impeachment may, as one ingredient of Congress’s activity, strengthen rather than weaken the efforts to end the war. Investigations, resolutions, legislation, not to mention citizen action, can all find their place as part of the common effort. For the Republic, for peace, let all these surge together.

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Egalitarian Donating Member (379 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-30-07 04:41 AM
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2. I've got an intuition that 2007 will bring either
Chimpeachment and President no pardon-Pelosi (as history will call her)

or

Iran/WWIII official start (although some historians will counter that it began with the invasion of Iraq)
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dos pelos Donating Member (224 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-30-07 05:08 AM
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4. Here is my suspicion as to what 2007 brings..not pretty...
Mr. Bush attacks Iran,directly or after some pretext is arranged.A supine congress goes along in its usual toothlessly invertebrate fashion.Non binding,meaningless resolutions proliferate,lots of ventilating and posturing to cover for real inaction.Oil companies and defense contractors reap huge profits.Domestic economy deteriorates.International business does well.Consequences of the Iran attack or some domestic "event" require further erosion of US civil liberties.Halliburton subsidiary KBR finishes building the detention centers they won contracts for ,somebody in the DOJ starts compiling a list of folks to fill those detention centers.Everyone posting on DU is on the list.2008 looks worse yet.
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tbyg52 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-30-07 06:13 AM
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6. You may be right
Hope not, but history is with you, I think....

In the meantime, welcome to DU! :hi:
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-30-07 11:39 AM
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11. I think that's pretty close -- though the idea of putting everyone on DU on the list is
too far out to contemplate. There are so many thousands, maybe even millions, of people saying bad things about this administration that it seems to me that putting everyone on DU on the list would be to difficult of a task. But you may be right. Certainly the majority of what you say is likely to occur if Congress doesn't rise up and do something. I do hope that they understand how ominous this all is!! :grr:
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Forrest Greene Donating Member (946 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-30-07 03:26 PM
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16. They Won't Need To Intern Thousands
Just a few. Maybe just a hundred. We'll quiet right down very nicely. Sorry to be a skeleton at the banquet.

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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-30-07 05:32 PM
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18. Well, call me naive, but I don't believe that that will shut DU up
I really don't.

I believe without a doubt that this administration is evil enough to do something like that. But I don't think that they would get away with it, and I don't believe that they would try it.

Of course, I could be wrong :scared:
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-30-07 09:51 PM
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21. That kind of repression often backfires
In "A History of South Africa", Leonard Thompson talks about how the arresting of dissidents and banning of organizations was initially successful in restoring "law and order". But then:

similar actions in 1976 and 1977 failed to have the same effect. Black resistance soon became more formiddable than before. After the Soweto prising, a protest culture pervaded the black population of South Africa. Students and workers, children and adults, men and women, the educated and the uneducated became involved in efforts to liberate the country from apartheid. Poets, novelists, dramatists, photographers, and painters conveyed the resistance message to vast audiences.... nor did it deter an increasing number of young Whites from identifying with the resistance.
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-30-07 10:09 AM
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10. I'm afraid you're right about that
That's why it's so *ing important that Democrats get down to business and work on getting those criminals out of there. Maybe that's where they're heading with their investigations, and they just aren't saying so because they don't want to be preceived as vengeful or whatever. If so, then great. But I'm really worried that they don't take this seriously enough.

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oblivious Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-30-07 04:45 AM
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3. No it cannot.
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MGD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-30-07 05:16 AM
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5. Get a "no confidence" amendment put in the constitution.
Edited on Tue Jan-30-07 05:16 AM by MGD
Until then, this is the way our Democracy works. Of course, when our future Democratic President is in a similar political bind, we'll all lament the introduction of a no confidence amendment.
typo
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-30-07 08:28 AM
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9. I can see where that could be useful, but why do we need it in this situation?
What's wrong with the impeachment clause?
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MGD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-31-07 04:01 PM
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22. The power to impeach rests with congress which doesn't always interpret the will of the people
correctly. The power of a recall vote, as I understand it, rests with the people and, as such, is more consistent with out Democratic ideals. It could be argued that it is inconsistent with our representative democracy; however, it can aslo be argued that congress itself is no longer consistent with the original American understanding of a representative democracy and; therefore, warrants the injection of a more direct form of self-governance in the form of a Presidential recall amendment.
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AzDar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-30-07 06:16 AM
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7. Kick n/t
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-30-07 06:37 AM
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8. Short answer: NO.
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-30-07 12:45 PM
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12. I wonder why that seems to be a lot more obvious to us than to most of our
elected representatives?

I sure wish I understood what was going on in their heads.

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justiceischeap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-30-07 01:46 PM
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14. Reelection (EOM)
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-30-07 06:41 PM
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19. Well, that may be their reasoning, but I think they're grossly mistaken if they think
that proceeding with impeachment hearings will hurt their re-election chances. Following the attempt to impeach Nixon (before he resigned), Dems made large gains in Congress in the mid-term elections of 1974. And Nixon's popularity prior to the Watergate investigations were far greater than Bush's popularity is now. It is hard for me to see why people would believe that making an attempt to impeach a criminal pResident with approval ratings in the 28-30% range would hurt their re-election chances.
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-30-07 03:05 PM
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15. Short answer: $$$$$$$$$$$$
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Pacifist Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-30-07 01:41 PM
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13. That's one of those rhetorical questions, right?
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-30-07 04:25 PM
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17. It's a question that I believe our elected representatives should give a great deal of thought to
So in that sense, no, it is not merely a rhetorical question.
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-30-07 07:57 PM
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20. If something isn't done to stop them soon, we'll likely have another major war on our hands
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=%20RO20070115&articleId=4456

The only action that can stop Bush is for both the Democratic and Republican leadership of the House and Senate to call on the White House, tell Bush they know what he is up to and that they will not fall for it a second time. The congressional leadership must tell Bush that if he does not immediately desist, he will be impeached and convicted before the week is out.



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