NO MATTER WHAT GOP proposals Obama incorporates into Health Care reform

[DainBramaged]

In the end, they will vote no. If he is setting traps for these clowns, he had better spring them soon, because I am growing TIRED of the wimps who are on our side.

[ProSense]

1. The President isn't trying to get GOP votes

Reconciliation doesn't even need all 59 Democratic votes.

[DainBramaged]

3. OH?

Obama to incorporate GOP ideas in health plan

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/35656271/ns/politics-health_care_reform/

[ProSense]

5. That is a very smart move

The fact is that these are concessions that spotlight Republican hypocrisy. The second item is merely an expansion of something that was already in the bill, actually funding it at a higher amount. The Medicaid reimbursement to doctors is something a lot of Democrats agree with.

Whatever the President can do to undercut the GOP's bullshit obstruction is a good thing.

[DainBramaged]

6. And, when do you think work will be completed, 2012?

Conceedng to the Pukes is just caving into their delaying tactics till the elections this year.

[ProSense]

7. Without exaggerating,

by the end of the month.

[rhett o rick]

11. The end of which month? nt

[unblock]

10. correct, he's trying to get typically gop corporate money

by generally appearing to be what once would have been defined as a fairly sensible conservative republican, he gets to milk corporations for big contributions (not necessarily so much to his campaign directly, which has an adverse populist effect, but to steer it for influence in many other races) while at the same time appealing to independents. meanwhile, democrats are stuck voting for the only democrat in the race (presumably).

come campaign season, that corporate cash will come in really handy.

were he to come off as a wild liberal, he would become hugely popular among a sizeable contingent of ardent democrats, but much of his corporate loot would dry up, and then the republicans would use their money advantage to trump up some kind of scandal, real or imagined, and he'd be sunk.

welcome to the sucky world of corporate ownership of government.

[Echo In Light]

2. "Traps?"

lol

[amborin]

4. same as the stimulus bill! remember how O bent over backwards to please

rethugs, adding their hallowed tax cuts, etc.....?

and NOT ONE rethug voted for it

the HCR bill is already a rethug bill

[laughingliberal]

9. Yes, it is already a rethug bill. These proposals, in and of themselves, don't do much damage

I would need to know more about the 'health courts' idea but, if implemented correctly, I can see it even being positive. Instead of arbitrarily capping punitive damages (or damages for pain and suffering), it could be used to judge the percentage of malpractice suits considered 'frivolous.' If done honestly, it could put an end to that RW talking point. It is just not true that 'frivolous' malpractice cases ever make it to court.

[Bluebear]

8. Totally agree.

See? We do agree a lot :toast:

[madokie]

12. I hope and I think that out President is so far out in front of the pack

that he will come out of this like a shinning star. He's staked his whole being as President on this one thing that has been impossible to make any changes for the good for the average joe and jane that makes me think that he does indeed have a card up his sleeve. At the same time as he's glad handling them hes kicking them square in the nuts and they just haven't figured that out yet. Chinly and boner, the :puke: leaders are about as smart as this pile of parts that are soon to be my next project is.

As more time goes by the better the chances are of us, you and I, getting a better deal in all this wrangling. Remember the :puke:s will never get past the color of his skin so they will not be coming out on top. For the most part most of us Americans are color blind, its only a very vocal few who aren't. At the end of this Presidency America will have a whole new way of seeing a person of difference from the good ole boy's white trash party as has been the case up to now.

I'll always be most proudest of, of all my previous votes, the two votes I gave this man.
My pony is here and she's the prettiest shiniest color you'll ever lay eyes upon. I won when he won, I win when he wins.

[WonderGrunion]

13. He is winning over moderate Republic voters

he knows he won't get any Republic votes in the Seante.

[Bluebear]

14. and losing liberal Democrats

[gateley]

16. He's not losing me at this point. I'll wait a bit until we're able to look back and

maybe see his strategy (assuming that's what he's doing). I admit that I get very discouraged and disappointed that he's not out there kicking butt, but in the end he may achieve more by how he's going about it. Have to wait and see.

[gateley]

15. Agree. I keep hoping each gesture on his part is the final attempt just so he can

justify (not that he needs to) charging ahead with Reconciliation and PO -- but I'm beginning to wonder...

They HAVE to know the Reps won't vote with them, don't they?

[backscatter712]

17. Don't sweat it - this is how we're beating the Rethugs.

That's the strategy - hold out your hand, watch as they spit in it, then proclaim loudly "See, they're not being reasonable!"

The reconciliation steamroller's about to roll...

[GeorgeGist]

18. Obama is not on your side ...

but he is a WIMP nonetheless.