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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-03-10 12:53 PM Original message |
Why Jimmy Carter lost in 1980--and why Obama should take note. |
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Peregrine Took (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-03-10 01:02 PM Response to Original message |
1. Very interesting, Thanks for posting. n/t |
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Betty Karlson (902 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-04-10 02:20 AM Response to Reply #1 |
34. My thoughts exactly. Thanks for posting. |
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DavidDvorkin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-03-10 01:05 PM Response to Original message |
2. Iran hostage crisis and the related media drumbeat |
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Echo In Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-03-10 01:11 PM Response to Reply #2 |
4. October Surprise |
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troubledamerican (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-04-10 01:50 AM Response to Reply #4 |
33. October Suprise: Correct. Unfortunately, it looks like |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-04-10 03:15 AM Response to Reply #33 |
41. Laura Kalman is not a neocon. |
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troubledamerican (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-06-10 01:04 AM Response to Reply #41 |
63. Nope, I'm talking about |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-03-10 01:13 PM Response to Reply #2 |
5. Not really. |
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blogslut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-03-10 01:19 PM Response to Reply #5 |
7. Carter's fall had many causes |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-03-10 01:23 PM Response to Reply #7 |
10. Without a doubt. |
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blogslut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-03-10 01:34 PM Response to Reply #10 |
15. I'm not convinced |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-03-10 01:36 PM Response to Reply #15 |
17. Read this book when it comes out, or look at the history. |
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blogslut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-03-10 01:37 PM Response to Reply #17 |
19. I lived through that era |
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DavidDvorkin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-03-10 04:22 PM Response to Reply #19 |
29. Same here. |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-04-10 03:12 AM Response to Reply #19 |
39. You're probably not remembering it as well as you think |
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blogslut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-04-10 06:26 AM Response to Reply #39 |
50. Now you're just acting like an ass |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-04-10 08:46 AM Response to Reply #50 |
51. I think the only sticking point between my 'theory' and your memory |
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Uncle Joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-03-10 01:35 PM Response to Reply #2 |
16. Nightline owed it's existence to the hostage crisis, I also believe their actions delayed the |
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theoldman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-03-10 01:06 PM Response to Original message |
3. Carter lost because he was a weak leader. |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-03-10 01:15 PM Response to Reply #3 |
6. The South, arguably, got driven further toward Republicanism |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-03-10 01:21 PM Response to Original message |
8. Carter Lost Because Of The Iran Hostage Crisis And Incipient Inflation |
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liberal N proud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-03-10 01:21 PM Response to Original message |
9. Carter was taken down by a hostage crisis in the middle east |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-03-10 01:28 PM Response to Reply #9 |
11. The case could be made that the hostage crisis actually nearly saved Carter. |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-03-10 01:33 PM Response to Reply #11 |
13. The Rose Garden Strategy Worked In The Primaries Against Ted Kennedy |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-03-10 01:34 PM Response to Reply #13 |
14. He was feckless. Feckless was his middle name. |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-03-10 01:36 PM Response to Reply #14 |
18. Respectfully, you said he was feckless |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-03-10 01:56 PM Response to Reply #18 |
24. What a mysterious thing to say, |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-03-10 02:03 PM Response to Reply #24 |
27. Well |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-03-10 02:22 PM Response to Reply #27 |
28. Ah, I see... |
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hughee99 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-03-10 01:29 PM Response to Reply #9 |
12. If Carter made all his decisions the same, but had the M$M on his side |
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paulsby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-03-10 01:40 PM Response to Original message |
20. the bakke case did not "undermine affirmative action" |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-03-10 01:55 PM Response to Reply #20 |
23. Thanks. |
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paulsby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-04-10 01:02 AM Response to Reply #23 |
31. alleged white backlash aside |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-04-10 03:06 AM Response to Reply #31 |
37. I understand your points. They're well taken. |
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Jax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-04-10 03:08 AM Response to Reply #37 |
38. You got it right BurtWorm |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-04-10 03:13 AM Response to Reply #38 |
40. Thank you. |
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Jax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-04-10 03:21 AM Response to Reply #40 |
43. Thank you |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-04-10 03:32 AM Response to Reply #43 |
46. Now you're making me blush! |
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Jax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-04-10 03:45 AM Response to Reply #46 |
48. Get used to it BurtWorm |
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paulsby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-04-10 03:19 AM Response to Reply #38 |
42. bakke addressed racial injustice |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-04-10 03:32 AM Response to Reply #42 |
45. If Kalman is right, Bakke should have lost his case. |
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paulsby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-04-10 03:36 AM Response to Reply #45 |
47. i am sure we could get into "battling legal historians" |
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supergreek50 (1 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-03-10 01:54 PM Response to Original message |
21. Oh I thought it was just because he was a dumbass |
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Tommy_Carcetti (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-03-10 01:58 PM Response to Reply #21 |
25. Nice way to start off your DU experience. |
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BeFree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-03-10 02:00 PM Response to Reply #21 |
26. bush was a dumbass |
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mikekohr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-03-10 04:53 PM Response to Reply #26 |
30. to the tenth power squared nt |
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smoogatz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-03-10 01:54 PM Response to Original message |
22. When Carter took office, the country was still burdened |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-04-10 03:25 AM Response to Reply #22 |
44. What you say is true. It's also true that Carter was ineffectual. |
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smoogatz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-04-10 10:16 AM Response to Reply #44 |
52. Fair enough. |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-04-10 02:01 PM Response to Reply #52 |
57. It's too late for Obama to come into office with guns blazing, but... |
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Zomby Woof (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-04-10 01:12 AM Response to Original message |
32. Carter was a nuclear engineer in the navy |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-04-10 02:45 AM Response to Reply #32 |
35. Obama is still a rookie, so I wouldn't say he's comparable to Carter. |
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anonymous171 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-04-10 02:49 AM Response to Original message |
36. He should also take note of one of history's other "great compromiers": |
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Happy Friend (58 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-04-10 04:15 AM Response to Original message |
49. Mostly not Carter's Fault |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-04-10 11:25 AM Response to Reply #49 |
54. Reagan did not have to win in 1980. He was as mistrusted by most Americans as Carter was. |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-04-10 10:32 AM Response to Original message |
53. The media brought Carter down. Cronkite's intoning, "Day 423, Day 424,.". Then the BushSaudi Oil |
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Dawgs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-04-10 01:02 PM Response to Original message |
55. I was only ten at the time, but I remember it being because of inflation. |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-04-10 01:57 PM Response to Reply #55 |
56. As many here have said, the causes were complex. |
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roamer65 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-06-10 04:46 PM Response to Reply #55 |
68. Carter had to try to clean up Nixon's economic mismanagement |
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A-Schwarzenegger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-04-10 02:37 PM Response to Original message |
58. Let's not forget the role of Kissinger in the Shah coming to U.S, which resulted in hostage-taking. |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-04-10 02:42 PM Response to Reply #58 |
59. Brzenzinski probably played a role in that too, right? |
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A-Schwarzenegger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-04-10 02:45 PM Response to Reply #59 |
60. And Rockefeller, but Kissinger was the driver. |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-04-10 02:47 PM Response to Reply #60 |
61. That's an apt description. |
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Happy Friend (58 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-04-10 10:45 PM Response to Reply #58 |
62. Actually... (+ Grand Unifying Theory of American Decline! ) |
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Happy Friend (58 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-06-10 02:29 AM Response to Reply #62 |
64. "Network" Quotes |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-06-10 06:07 AM Response to Original message |
65. I'm glad you posted this and I found it, thanks. |
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ThomWV (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-06-10 07:40 AM Response to Original message |
66. How quickly we forget Iran/Contra and Ronald Reagan's sabotage of the USA to win |
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Happy Friend (58 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-06-10 04:41 PM Response to Reply #66 |
67. That's because |
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