If you don't know you better ask somebody.

[pepperbear]

Health care is not the same as a wide screen TV.

The public option is just that: an option.

Real hard working people, ESPECIALLY THOSE WHO OWN SMALL BUSINESSES, are getting screwed by the private health insurance industry...including you.

Despite their evil socialist ways, Europe and Canada have plenty of millionaires.

You're not hung up on The Gay. you're hung up on gay sex. please keep in mind that when you meet a straight couple, chances are you don't immediately picture them having sex. Afford gay couples the same consideration and it might just be a giant leap toward tolerance.

Speaking of tolerance, tolerance doesn't mean approval. It simply means "live and let live." The much touted Golden Rule applies here also.

I've said it before and I'll say it again: the lawmakers who are making you afraid of government administered health insurance ALL HAVE GOVERNMENT ADMINISTERED HEALTH INSURANCE.

You don't like the government, we get that. Sometimes we're even inclined to agree. Try and imagine what big business would do without any kind of oversight. If you can't, read about the dawn of the Industrial Age and Teddy Roosevelt.

You say giving help to the poor is counter-productive. It is more counter-productive to subsidize the rich.

The post WWII boom was due in part to government programs put in place by FDR, including the GI bill. The middle class is eroding due in part to massive de-regulation and a roll-back of a lot of those so called socialist programs.

You don't like the fact that ACORN helped poor people get out the vote. E-voting fraud is far worse than voter fraud.

Money as free speech simply legalizes bribery.

The founding fathers were Christian by way of the era in which they lived. They knew what religious fighting did to England. They decided that the new America would not establish a church. Jesus is never mentioned in the D of I or the Constitution. Nowhere in the D of I or the Constitution does it say that we are bound by law or custom to be a Christian nation.

If you really believed that it takes a man and a woman to raise a child, you'd leave women alone to make their own choices.

Ronald Reagan did indeed raise taxes on the middle class.

Deal with it.

[Botany]

1. Very well said .....

... and can I add that this country was founded by liberals it was the conservatives (the Tory Party) that
kept loyal to the King.

Barack Obama was legally elected under the rules of the Constitution and if you talk about protecting the
Constitution then you have to respect the fact that Barack Obama is the rightful President of the United States.

[pepperbear]

5. absolutely......

and a monopolizing trading company was one of the reasons for the boston tea party.

[brewens]

2. "You say giving help to the poor is counter-productive. It is more counter-productive to subsidize

the rich". I couldn't agree more. People that complain about welfare recipients don't get it. They don't think we should give money to people that don't earn it. I can see their point but they should apply that to wealthy people that are not doing anything productive but rake in millions!
Rewarding people that do billions in damage is insane.

[AlbertCat]

7. They don't think we should give money to people that don't earn it.

But they're fine with billions going to huge profit-making corporations. Remember the year Exxon made more than any corporation ever.... it paid no taxes...ZERO.

Corporate welfare is tenfold that of personal welfare.

[stray cat]

3. Don't just ask someone - make sure you know the facts and work at a little critical thinking

too many people ask only those who parrot their own ignorance

[snagglepuss]

4. K& R nt

[Mopar151]

6. They don't want to deal with it

My last round of debunking E-mails got me - "I'm not going to read this, and I'm not having a debate with you". And that was just over the fake "War on Christmas" being blamed on the ACLU. What, if we make everybody pray (and only a "Christian" prayer), we're all gettin' new jobs next week, and the roads will fix themselves?

[Mithreal]

8. "The founding fathers were Christian by way of the era in which they lived."

Deists, there is a difference. No reason to perpetuate the religious myths surrounding these people. Otherwise agree with the sentiment.

The Regressives are the Party of Cain and their mark of the beast is an elephant. No reason for me to feed their delusions but maybe hold up a mirror.

[rpannier]

12. He never said they (the Founding Fathers) were Christians

He said most Americans were Christians.

And most Americans were

[Mithreal]

13. True, it was worded well. Just seemed to potentially reinforce a misconception by omission.

It's a minor thing and more in my head, how I read it than on the page. Basically it was smarter than I thought most people would pick up on, even me on first read.

I did K&R fwiw.

[rpannier]

15. Considering the number of idiots who think the signers of the DoI and Constitution were Bible

thumpers I understand where you're coming from

I had an argument with a relative of mine and it went like this

Me: Jefferson was a Deist

FR (fundie Relative): No he wasn't

Me: Ummmm... Yes, he was.

FR: No. He was a Christian

Me: He was a Deist by his own admission

FR: He was a Jeffersonian-Christian

Me: Right. Jeffersonian-Christian = A Deist

[Mithreal]

16. That is funny : )

:patriot:

[Ken Burch]

9. Smnll suggestion

For clarity's sake, I'd add a comma to your thread title between the first "know" and "you".

As written, it sounds like you should ask someone for guidance about yourself if you don't know yourself.

Good OP, though.

[RufusTFirefly]

10. And here's a "smnll suggestion" for you, Ken

Oh, never mind.

[Ken Burch]

11. I wasn't attacking the OP..

I agree with everything the OP's saying.

My post wasn't meant as anything but a helpful suggestion. Sorry.

[Mithreal]

14. I read it the same way, the op title, that is. Had to read it twice.

[Skittles]

17. don't apologize; you are correct

[RufusTFirefly]

18. And I wasn't attacking you, Ken

I was just teasing you for the typo in your correction.
I found it ironic.

[Ken Burch]

19. Oh shit, I hadn't even NOTICED it until now....

I'm using my back-up specs until my next eye exam.

Damn, you're good!