I am pro-life.

[verges]

I like breathing. A heart pumping blood is a pretty good idea. Sitting around talking and laughing with friends. Being licked by a furry animal. Playing with kids. Singing. Life can be good.I'm all for it.

I am anti-abortion. It's a tragedy when a woman feels that an abortion is her only recourse.

I am Pro-choice. There are times when abortions are necessary. And I believe only the woman involved should make such a decision; with the advice of her doctor.

It is possible to be both Pro-life and Pro-choice.

The people who generally call themselves Pro-life are are against the law of the land, the status quo. It's ridiculous that they call themselves Pro-anything. They are anti-something. What they want is to deny
a woman the right to make her own medical choices. They are Anti-choice. That's not defamatory. It's the truth. If they are hurt or offended by the truth, well too bad. Truth hurts.

You can be both Pro-life and Pro-choice. You cannot be both Pro-choice and Anti-choice. And calling yourself something doesn't make it so.

[Arkana]

1. And yet Tim Kaine gets shit on for being exactly this.

The guy is Catholic, yet he worked his ass off to protect abortion rights in Virginia.

[Warpy]

21. I think he's getting shit on

because his tenure as Democratic Party Chair has been less than stellar and people see the gains Dean made in that position slipping away.

My own view is that he's in over his head and failed to maintain the strategy Dean developed that led to so many wins in "safe" GOP districts.

I have never seen him shit on for being someone who is pro life but has worked to preserve the rights of women to make their own medical decisions.

[Bluenorthwest]

43. Tim Kaine is a failure first, a bigot second

That is a man who thinks my family should have no legal standing of any kind, because of his damn religion, the faith of the Inquisitors. He's a bigot. Dress it up in Prada and titles if you like, but that is what it is. He is not simply opposed to marriage equality, oh, no. He is opposed to civil unions as well. So he bad mouths my family, which makes him not just rude and a poor fellow citizen, but also one hell of a lousy politician. A very bad choice to head a national and diverse Party.
So he gets called what he is, a failed Chairman and a divisive and prejudiced man. He's the past. He is also one of the most boring speakers in this or any other Party.

[Sebastian Doyle]

100. Tim Kain gets shit on, because he's shit.

But then that pretty much describes all "Democrats" in Virginia. Mark Warner, Terry McAulliffe, that useless tool that lost the Governors race to Pat Robertson's flunkie, etc.

[Walk away]

2. I don't think anyone is "pro abortion".

That is why the Palins of the world look so stupid when they try to intimate that liberals want to kill babies. It's absurd.

[MrScorpio]

6. No one is pro-abortion, except for the "anti-abortionists"

How else are they going to keep up their self-righteous attention whoring?

[KaryninMiami]

3. I have been saying and blogging this for years

We are all pro-life- otherwise, we'd be pro-death. This is a prime example of how the right wing has spun this to the point of absurdity- and yet no one on the blue team will call them out on it. This is how they are so brilliant and how pathetic is so pathetically wimpy. It's time- long overdue time that we ALL DEMAND a change in the mantra. Pro life AND Pro Choice.

[47of74]

4. I feel that just being against abortion does not make some one pro-life

It just means they're against abortion. We have some of the nastiest, scummiest people getting away with calling themselves pro-life when the only life they give two shits in a bucket about is the unborn, and our so called liberal media never calls 'em on it.

[Hello_Kitty]

8. Trent Franks in a nutshell.

And no, the MSM never calls him on it. :puke:

[asdjrocky]

5. And I'm a man so it's none of my business.

[verges]

10. I'm a man too.

And I'm allowed to make my own decisions. Women should too. When Anybody is denied the right to make their own decisions something is terribly wrong.

[asdjrocky]

13. See, I have to trust a woman to know what to do with her own body.

The only way I can help women, the only opinion that matters from me as someone who will never have to make that decision, is that whatever choice they make it should be safe, available and legal.

Beyond that, it's not my place to have an opinion. I've noticed a strange trend, almost every day or so I see a post from a man about abortion, it makes me wonder why.

Why is it an issue for you? You're a man.

[verges]

15. Two reasons..

1) I got into a bit of a flame war this afternoon on another thread about the use of the term "Pro-life." That particular sub-thread was yanked (and rightly so for hijacking) But I felt discussion of the term was valid.
2) I don't like to see people's rights trampled. It's an issue because women are human beings. Their rights are just as important as mine.

Why do you not care when another human's rights are being challenged?

[Chulanowa]

12. About my feelings, too

I find abortion loathsome, truthfully. But you know what, I'll never understand what a woman goes through in this situation, and so I am certainly the least qualified person to make any sort of decision at all. So I can have my opinion; I just realize it doesn't count, and that it shouldn't. I'm pro-choice because I realize that my uninformed and irrelevant opinion does not in any way supersede another person's right to do what they want with their own body - and until that fetus is separated from the uterus, it is a part of a woman's body.

[verges]

16. Exactly.

So why shouldn't you care when a human being's rights are being trampled? I'm not trying t tell any woman what to do. I do want to preserve a woman's right to make her own choices.

[fishwax]

7. I don't think abortion is necessarily tragic, but

I agree with the gist of your post about the folks who call themselves pro-life.

[Bluebear]

9. I am pro-woman's-body -and-none-of-my-male-business -what-choice-is-called

[David Zephyr]

95. Yep.

It's none of my business as a man to tell any woman what she should do with her own reproductive decisions. Period.

[panader0]

11. The "anti" abortionists should be pro adoption

Instead of protesting a woman's right of choice, they should adopt unwanted children.

[boston bean]

14. I am flummoxed...

if one is pro life but believes each woman has a right to decide for herself that is the definition of choice.

the anti choicers certainly have gotten the upperhand in the word game. they have people believing the being anti choice is CHOICE. that just making a choice to be anti choice is choice.

It is not. To be pro choice you must agree each women has autonomy over her own body.

[verges]

19. Yes. It's an elaborate wordgame.

And everytime the media calls them "Pro-lifers" they perpetuate the lie. They are Anti-choice,status quo, law of the land. They are Pro-nothing. We should start referring to our side of the fight as: Pro-lifers for choice.

[boston bean]

20. You are not pro-life though. You are pro choice. You are falling for the lie they create. nt

[boston bean]

23. The meaning of choice is getting lost.

A person is pro choice if they believe in choice.

they are not pro life and believe in choice. because choice already encompasses a womens right to decide for herself that she, personally would not have an abortion. Why are people making that distinction saying they are pro life but wouldn't tell another woman what to do. That is a definition of being pro choice.

It's because the whacko fundie nut jobs are winning the word war and confusing the living shit out of people.

Just say you are pro choice.

[verges]

27. Look,

Pro-life (forget the baggage) has a positive connotation. Who could be against life? Their use of it is a LIE. It is purposely misleading. They have seized the words which they had no right to because it's a lie) and are thus able to control the dialogue. Paint them as Anti-choice. That's what they are and works propagandawise to our benefit.

[boston bean]

28. Of course I understand, but you will not change the meaning of it.

I understand the concept, but what you are doing is also perpetuating a concept that they love that multiply.

You state that you are pro life, i assume that means you would not have an abortion yourself, but that you would not force your belief on another woman. Correct?

If you use the word pro life in that fashion when you are really pro choice, you are harming and twisting pro choice more than you are taking back the word LIFE.

[verges]

33. No. Incorrect. I'm saying that I'm in favor of breathing.

I'm a man. I can't have an abortion myself. Because I'm a man, I really can't understand what a woman goes through.

Don't call them Pro-lifers. They are not Pro-lifers. Sometimes they shoot people! How can you be Pro-life when you kill a man in church infront of his family? They are Anti-choice. Words carry weight. They know this. Why can't you grasp that they are winning a propaganda point? I really don't like yielding a perfectly good word: "life" to them!!

[boston bean]

34. I don't call them pro lifers, I call them anti choicers. They call themselves pro lifers, and I

can't change that. neither will you.

[verges]

66. But the media also calls them Pro-lifers.

Thus perpetuating the lie.

[verges]

24. I'm certainly not anti-life.

You're letting them own a phrase they have NO RIGHT TO!! They are NOT Pro-life, they are Anti-choice!

[boston bean]

26. I am sorry, but in your effort here, you are basically trying to re write what choice is.

choice is not pro-life. the meaning of pro life means no abortion for any woman, under any circumstance. you can't change that.

Again, choice means the woman decides what is best for her. Either no abortion, or to have one. AND not forcing her/his will upon any other woman.

[verges]

29. NO!!!

I'm trying to redefine what Pro-life means! Take positive words back to what they should mean. They have no right to such a phrase. What could possibly wrong with being for the concept of life? Breathing, fun, living. What's wrong with being "for" these things?

[boston bean]

31. I get it, but what you are doing is making pro life part of choice.

That is what they want. For different reasons, but still that is anti choicers mo.

they have got a good portion of this country saying I am pro life for myself, but a I wouldn't tell a woman what to do.

When that in itself is CHOICE. A person who believes that is pro choice. It is undermining the whole definition and meaning of choice.

[verges]

35. No, I'm not. Do we have a reading comprehension problem?

Strip them of the title. They don't deserve it!

[boston bean]

48. I'm sure I don't, but I disagree with you. I say claim CHOICE!

It's being stripped away every single day, whether by hook or by crook, or by theological laws, or by the framing of the religious nutsos.

Everyone knows that pro life represents a group of idiots that don't want women to have a choice.

[verges]

55. The framing of the religious nutsos.

There's my point. You've let them frame it. Who chose to refer to them as Pro-life (made of two words with positive connotations)? They did. Fight it! Don't. Let. Them. Frame. it!

[boston bean]

57. Sir you are chaning the meaning of Choice. sorry, we will not agree. I got to go to bed. nt

[verges]

64. How?

Choice (in this usage): The right of a woman to make her own medical decisions. These extend, yet are not contained to, the abortion of a fetus.

Am I mistaken? If I am, then I need educating. If I am not, I fail to see how I have attempted to re-define it.

I submit that the phrase Pro-life doesn't necessarily have a damn thing to do and shouldn't have a damn thing to do with the issue of abortion. It's okay to be in favor of life: to love life. And that by the definitions of both the words pro and life can be defined as pro-life. Unfortunately, the Anti-choice crowd have appropriated what should be a very pleasant phrase and put a negative (from our perspective) spin on it.

I like life. Life is a good thing. Therefore, whether I call myself that or not, I am pro-life. If I am not pro-l;ife (regardless of whether I call myself that or not) I am either anti-life or indifferent to life. I am neither of these therefore I must be Pro-life.

Yes, I'm trying to muddy the waters. By muddying the waters we would weaken the clutch these evil bastards hold on a phrase they think (wrongly) that is theirs.

I am in no way trying to change the definition of Choice. Quite the opposite. I'm trying to change the perception of Pro-life back to what the words should really mean: In favor of life.

[Chemisse]

98. They cannot take the name pro-life

When so many are in favor of the death penalty. We need to call them out on their hypocrisy.

They are 'pro-life' only when it is somebody else's embryo on the line (I am sure plenty of these folks have made one little exception when their teenaged daughter got pregnant). That is pro-control and anti-freedom.

[Greyhound]

17. It's your personal belief vs. imposing that belief on others. n/t

[omega minimo]

18. 1 Then just say youre Pro Choice, do everyone that simple favor 2 Don't use their Hate Speech slogan

which is what Pro Life is. The word drips the blood of butchered women and health care workers/bystanders murdered by domestic terrorists.

If you respect any of this and mean what you say, you won't find it necessary to put up a too-cute post like this again.

You're Pro-Choice. Nuff said. :thumbsup:

[verges]

22. Congratulations!

You've just conceded a major battle of the propaganda wars! Because that's what their claim to Pro-life is: Propaganda. By using that phrase, they knowingly imply that those who disagree are anti-life. That's ridiculous, of course. But on a subliminal level that's what they are saying. I am Pro-choice. I also believe that life can be good. That makes me more Pro-life than the Pro-lifers(read Anti-choicers.)

[omega minimo]

30. You are conceding by using their blood soaked term. Please don't. It's their slogan, don't buy it.

[Chulanowa]

32. It's called reappropriation n/t

[verges]

36. Thank-you.

Some folks just don't seem to get it.

[omega minimo]

39. What you don't get is the reality of the origin and history and use and bloodiness of the term

that for some reason you want to identify with SO much, that you completely disregard the visceral resonance it has for those who are completely repulsed by that history and bloodsoaked sloganeering. Why doesn't that matter to you. "Some folks just don't seem to get it." :puke:

No Fucking Respect

[verges]

44. So enlighten me.

You're letting them control the language of the argument. By conceding their propaganda, they win. And I really don't like when these bastards win. To the best of my knowledge it is not a registered trademark. They are words that are being brutally misused. And being misused AGAINST US! Do you want to concede that those who are Pro-choice are in fact Anti-life? That's what they're selling with this phrase. And they are doing it consciously! I won't give them this point. Why are you willing to let them win this point?

[omega minimo]

51. You are ignorant of the history and ignoring every reference to it. Do your research.

"Why are you willing to let them win this point?" I'm not playing the word game you are. They "won" this point when they invented the term and drenched it in blood, as every one of my posts has TRIED to "enlighten you." Do some reading. Be Pro Choice.

[verges]

56. I am Pro-choice.

I am also Pro-music.
Pro-Marx brothers and zillions of other things. I am also Pro-life. Life is good.

Pro-choice and Pro-life needn't be mutually exclusive! It's no wonder we Lib/Progressives can't seem to get the upper hand. We're too willing to concede a point that can be fought for. You allow those bastards to define YOU as Pro-death/Anti-life. There is a propaganda element to the war and we are sorely losing!

[omega minimo]

60. Instead of calling yourself "Pro Life," call them what they are: Domestic Terrorists

Those bastards don't define me. You let them have the upper hand be getting you to play these word games, as if you really need to identify with the made-up term they invented for their anti-Choice movement.

"We're too willing to concede a point that can be fought for."

The term did not exist, the language did not exist, you are "fighting for a point" to redefine their propagandist lie instead of define THEM as what they are.

You are trying to say "Nobody owns Ku Klux Klan, I am not a racist and I am Ku Klux Klan, I can be both, we are going to reappropriate Ku Klux Klan,"

[verges]

63. I don't mean define to yourself, but

rather to the world at large.

And both the term Pro and the word Life did indeed exist before these clowns grabbed a hold of them. They are real words. Ku Klux Klan are in fact, made up words. The Anti-choicers took real words and twisted them to serve their purpose. But not to change the words meanings, but rather to shade public perceptions of them. Pro-life does not describe them. You are allowing them to lie by letting them to use the term uncontested!

[omega minimo]

71. Wrong again

"You are allowing them to lie by letting them to use the term uncontested!"

Totally full of shit. Who says I "let them use the term uncontested." Bullshit.

You want to play word games, ignorant of history? They've got YOU wasting your precious time.

[verges]

80. " Who says I "let them use the term uncontested"

You do with every post you've made on this thread.

"They've got YOU wasting your precious time"


And who's wasting time answering?

[omega minimo]

93. You're right

You've missed the point so many times, it's either intentional or beyond all hope.

THE TERM ITSELF -- THE TERM THEY INVENTED FOR THEIR TERRORIST GROUP -- IS CONTESTABLE, CONTEMPTIBLE. WE CONTEST IT. WE DON'T WANT IT.

WE. DON'T. WANT. TO. USE. THEIR. BLOODSOAKED. LIE. EVER.

[verges]

99. But when I say

I'm Pro-life, it's not a lie. I. Am. For. Life. Which is the literal use of this phrase! The Emperor has no clothes. Why can't we say so. Especially when not saying so allows them to paint lies about me!

[omega minimo]

37. No it's not. They invented it. It's not even common language. IT'S THEIR BLOODY SLOGAN

As I said, if those who share this view with the OP RESPECT the issue and mean what they say about their support, they will NOT play this petty game of "It's reappropriation." You can't reappropriate something that was invented as a marketing tool for murderous domestic terrorists. And why the FUCK would anyone want to.

[verges]

38. They use this phrase to imply that we are Anti-life.

Are we? I'm not. Life is a good thing as far as I'm concerned. They have no rights to this phrase. By being Pro-life and Pro-choice loud and often, they'll abandon it.

[omega minimo]

40. You don't need to adopt it! Being Pro-choice is enough. If you want to educate them about what that

means, why it is life-affirming, go right ahead. Playing dueling slogans just a game. Create your own additional life-affirming term if you want. DON'T USE THEIR LYING PROPAGANDA. It already IS a lie. That's the point.

[verges]

42. So we can't call them on the lie? nt

[Chulanowa]

47. They have no right to call themselves "pro life"

They are murderers and would happily see women die in droves from botched underground abortions. They are anything but "pro life."

So I see it as reappropriating hte term and putting it to use i nthe proper fashion. A defense of the fucking language, if you like.

[omega minimo]

58. You can't reappropriate something that didn't exist before their bloody sloganeering lie

If it HAD BEEN a common term or common use of language, your argument would make sense. But it wasn't.

Nobody says I'm pro-sunshine, I'm pro-gravity, I'm pro-digestion. Ever.

Pro-Life was invented to mean Anti-Abortion from the get go. It is sealed in blood. It is repulsive.

[verges]

61. And by implication

anyone who doesn't agree is Anti-life. Well, I'm not anti-life. Are you? You seem to want to allow their propaganda to paint you as such? I don't like them painting me that way. The only way to stop it is to take the phrase away from them. You say it can't be done. I think it can; muddy the waters. confuse the terms. How can someone be a Pro-choice pro-lifer? Well, if you believe that wors have meanings, yes it can and does. And said often enough (a technique the RWS understand!) it confuses the perception. That's how language evolves. By usage. We've let them frame the debate waaay too long. Take backk the English language that they have been brutally misusing.

[Chulanowa]

73. So snatch it away from the fuckers

Guerrilla linguistics. Learn it.

[omega minimo]

74. History

Learn it


or repeat it.

[Name removed]

75. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[verges]

41. It's not their slogan!!

They use it to lie. There is nothing wrong with being in favor of life!! They are not using it that way. Pro is positive. They are not positive. They are anti -law, anti-status quo, anti-choice. I cannot think of one thing they are for. `S

So confuse the issue! Be Pro-choice and Pro-life. Do it enough, it'll bug the hell out of them.

[omega minimo]

46. Learn your history.

[verges]

49. I'm sorry.

Is it a registered trademark? I wasn't aware of that. If it's not-it's not their slogan. Language belongs to all. They are misusing it to spread misinformation. If you are not pro you are either anti or indifferent. Well, I like life! Life is a pretty cool thing. For all the reasons I stated in the OP and many others. Is that a bad thing?

[Name removed]

53. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[verges]

59. Re-define the terms.

They don't have a problem doing that! That's why they win. LANGUAGE belongs to nobody! And it's being used as a weapon against us. You seem to feel that that's okay: It's their phrase. It's NOT^^ their phrase.

[omega minimo]

62. .

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=7865900&mesg_id=7866417

[verges]

65. Okay,

Half the time your saying there's a long history with this phrase and then you say the phrase didn't even exist before the bastards (we can agree on that, right) chose to use it. Which is it?

[omega minimo]

72. I don't believe

you are too stupid to figure that out. Trying to miss the point on purpose? :puke:

[verges]

81. Your the one contradicting yourself.

[omega minimo]

94. Wrong again.

The people who remember and recall this history also learned something called "critical thinking skills" which your one note, simplistic argument lacks.

[boston bean]

50. Not when they are confusing the populace that they are actually Pro Choice because

they choose to be pro life.

[verges]

70. They're already confusing the public by

claiming to be Pro-life. They are not Pro-life. their use of that term is a lie.

[BrklynLiberal]

25. Well said, VERY well said.

[verges]

45. Thank-you. nt

[countmyvote4real]

52. Everybody is pro life. Only not everybody agrees on the definition of life.

If it comes down to cells, then the most cells take priority. That would be the actual people that have accumulated enough cells and mass to qualify for a birth certificate.

[verges]

67. Agreed. So why

should we concede a monopoly on that phrase to them?

[mkultra]

54. Im pro life

but im against criminalizing abortion. I personally think that its a human from conception and that generally, no external circumstance should create a burden that person should bear.

I think its impossible to fairly criminalize abortion while insuring that those who do it for survival are protected from prosecution.

[defendandprotect]

69. Denying women the right to late term abortion would be denying them the

right to "self-defense" . . . if the attacker is a fetus!

[mkultra]

85. If personal health is at stake, then the choice is clear

Any other condition is wrong in my view.

[defendandprotect]

87. Of course -- but there are some fanatics who would deny women even

the right to "self-defense" if a fetus is involved!!

[ehrnst]

78. If you are against the criminalization of elective abortion - that makes you Pro-Choice

and not pro-abortion.

[mkultra]

84. correct. Im just making it clear that i think elective abortion is immoral

I just don't think there are sufficient grounds for criminalization. It would create to much risk for women and their doctors.

[defendandprotect]

88. Who decides what's "immoral" . . . the Catholic Church . . . ????!!!!!

I think when women each make their own decisions they make moral decisions.

I think when men try to make these decisions for women it is "immoral."

There are many reasons why women chose abortions -- but the number of abortions/

percentages never changes. Abortion always has been with us and always will be.

Nature puts her trust in females -- she has given almost everything to do with

childbearing/rearing to females.

Nature has also provided many ways with plants as drugs to control procreation,

to provide contraception, to provide ways to terminate fertility when one wishes,

to interrupt conception. In other words, NATURE is pro-choice.

Much of this information and material was of course destroyed by patriarchy.

Take the Genesis myth to heart -- it echoes the patriarchal angst that the female

is able to create life while they cannot!

Thus the war on nature and women --


We see this again with the Vatican -- a nation of all males -- a church of all males --

still seeking to gain control over reproduction and still continuing the war on

women.

[mkultra]

90. i decide

whats moral and what isn't. That's my right.

[defendandprotect]

102. And women decide for themselves . . . . that's how it works . . .

[mkultra]

103. thanks for pointing out the obvious

does it make you feel better to grind that axe to the hilt? The question is not what people do or do not think is important, it is wether we need to push our moral beliefs into laws.

[defendandprotect]

104. Debate to you is "grinding that axe to the hilt"?

Certainly we need laws based on what we think is right and wrong --

And our reasoning on many issues needs change -- for instance, our prison industry

and the "War on Drugs"!!

There are many laws which need to be changed -- to be more humane -- less exploitive.

We need an Equal Rights Amendment for one need/"right"/law --

And IMO we need Gender Balance Laws --

Is oppression of females right or wrong -- moral or immoral -- ?

Maybe it's a "sin"?

Debate is what continues to enlighten us -- I hope!

[defendandprotect]

68. Agree . .. and from now on I'll only call them "anti-abortion" or "anti-choice" . ..

except when I talk about the "pro-life" murderers of doctors!!!

I mean how can you ignore the contradiction in that one!!!

[DailyGrind51]

76. + anti-death penalty, anti-premeptive war, pro universal health care.

[ehrnst]

77. "Pro-life" is the name of a political position - supporting prohibition of abortion.

Pro-choice is the name of the political position of keeping it legal.

So, no, I don't think you can be Pro-Life and Pro-choice.

If you are against abortion morally, but feel it should be legal - you are NOT Pro-Life, you are Pro-Choice.

[verges]

82. Who says? Doesn't need to be.

If it is, it's because we let them choose the terms. I am NOT anti-life. And that is what they want to paint us as. Therefore I must be pro-life. Why do we always let the RW define the terms? That's why they win; and they know that!

[ehrnst]

86. Just pointing out the terms used in political discussion.

You can claim that pro-choice only means you want the options of spaghetti with meatballs or without, but it will not make much sense when the discussion is about the legality of abortion.

I didn't create the names, or the terms of the debate. But if someone tells me they are Pro-life, I'm going to assume that they are identifying with with the abortion prohibition crowd.

[verges]

89. They are using the term to define who they are

and what they believe. But that isn't what they are or what they believe! They are lying. At best, they are Pro-fetus. Unfortunately for them, that name isn't particularly marketable. AH, but Pro-life...who could argue with such a benign sentiment? It's endorsing the laughter of children, puppy-dogs and joy in general. And that ain't who they are.

I can't tell you how many times I've heard the lament, here on DU, that the left always lets the right frame the argument in the terms that they choose. This is a perfect example. Apparently you and a few others seem to feel that the hijacking of the English language and subverting it to double-speak is okay. Well, it is NOT okay with me. I say: Call them out on it!

[omega minimo]

92. Again someone tries to explain to you the truth

your denial and ignorance of the history are so thick, you can't even acknowledge, let alone comprehend, the point that is being made. You can rant all you want, but your inability to recognize the point that has been made AGAIN about this, is pathetic.

None of the comments supporting the FACT that that IS what the invented term "Pro Life" means -- and why -- have been acknowledged by you, at all. It's a blind argument you want to have with the other side and ignore the reasoning and realities of your own supposed side.

And spare us that false accusations. You don't understand what you're talking about; you repeatedly refuse to think about it. At all.

"Apparently you and a few others seem to feel that the hijacking of the English language and subverting it to double-speak is okay."

[Lochloosa]

79. ..

[cbdo2007]

83. "only the woman involved should make the decision; with the advice of...."

her partner
her parents
her doctor

[SimonPhoenix]

91. Your argument is offensive and ridiculous!

"I am anti-abortion. It's a tragedy when a woman feels that an abortion is her only recourse."

Why is it a tragedy? How is an abortion any more or less tragic than childbirth? Childbirth in some countries is very tragic. Children are born into extreme and abject poverty. Childbirth can be very tragic in the United States as well. Crack mothers can be pregnant and produce crack babies. If I was a woman, which I'm not, and I was addicted to crack, I've never have my child. I would hope that I could either 1) get someone to loan me money for an abortion, or 2)the government would provide the funding for such a procedure.

I believe that Roe v. Wade did not go far enough. Abortion should be legal up until the very end of the third trimester or until the mother's water has broken, whichever comes first. It's inappropriate to put conditions on a fundamental right such as abortion. Also, anyone who kills an abortion provider for the objecctive of "preserving life" should be eligible for the death penalty. This would make killing an abortion provider equivalent to killing a police officer, which is the way that many states structure their death penalty statutes.

Additionally, I would allow unlimited funding of abortions through the abortion providers. The abortion providers would provide the procedure free of charge, and full reimbursement would come within one week from the federal Department of Health and Human Services in DC. There would be no lifetime cap on the number of abortions for which a woman could receive funding, and any complications resulting from such procedures would also be reimbursed by HHS.

I would also provide a $1500 refundable tax credit to any woman who chooses to claim this tax credit on her tax return-it would be optional, obviously. This would be to compensate the woman for the pain and suffering she went through in terminating her pregnancy. Even though I wouldn't feel any pain or suffering about termating it, I realize that some woman for some reason do.

[David Zephyr]

96. K&R. I don't believe it is possible to be a progressive and not be pro-choice.

K&R.

[verges]

97. I am Pro-choice.

[JerseygirlCT]

101. Well said. nt