Republicans vow to overturn the HCR Bill shouldn't progressives be helping them?

[uponit7771]

Jus sayin, if the HCR bill is THAT bad then shouldn't some be helping the GOP in getting the bill nullified?

Seems to be a lot of anger in the face of progress no?

Your take?

TIA

[leftstreet]

1. Help Republicans overturn mandated, for-profit insurance?

Hmmm...let me think about it

[uponit7771]

2. At least your honest....

[uponit7771]

3. Bump, I think this is a good fair question

[Wardoc]

4. It's a bad bill, so I don't care who or what want to overturn it, I'd be for that. (nt)

[uponit7771]

7. ...so, would you support the GOP in their efforts?

[Oregone]

10. You looking for a loyalty oath?

[uponit7771]

11. No, just most of the shit talkers to put up or shut up...

[Donnachaidh]

5. rolling out the fearmongering and innuendo

Yeah, people who won't march in line with *the Bill* are automatically republican enablers.

the memes just keep rolling out. They are getting shrill.... :rofl:

[uponit7771]

6. If the bill is THAT bad should those who hate it be HELPING the GOP in getting it nullified?

This is a fair question no?

[Oregone]

8. Its a Republican Idea. Theyll just muck it up more

It was proposed as the National Health Insurance Partnership under Nixon.

I don't think theyll toss it anytime soon (they are just angry a black Democrat is passing it).

Instead, theyll fuck it up like college funding

[uponit7771]

9. They are running on overturning the bill, if it's that bad shouldn't some progressives wanna help ?

[Marr]

12. I bet they could do it with 51 votes, and not a single "compromise".

And I hope they do. This bill is designed to institutionalize an industry that should hardly exist.

[uponit7771]

14. So it sounds like you'll be at least support the GOP efforts in getting this bill overturned? TIA

[Marr]

15. I only just realized what you're suggesting.

You're trying to suggest that people who are against this bill are Republicans, or willing to help Republicans get elected. How cute.

For the record, no... I would not help Republicans get elected. I see no reason to help one corporate fraud party unseat another. But if they do, and if they dump this healthcare bill, I won't cry for it.

[uponit7771]

17. Republicans ARE against the bill and if the bill is THAT bad shouldnt progressives be helpin them?

[Marr]

20. Yeah! With us or against us! ©

I think I already described my position.

[uponit7771]

22. Nah, just wanna to know if the bill was bad enough to help republicans overturn it....it doesn't

...look that way IMHO

[HeresyLives]

13. So, that means they know it will pass.

[napi21]

16. The bill is niot what you wanted but it's a LOT better than what we have!

I don't have a dog in this fight. My hubby & I are on Medicare now. I want improvements for YOU! It's a giant step forward to eliminate pre-existing conditions and dropping people because they cost the damn ins. co. too much! It's a big help to a lot of people to mandate kids be allowed to stay on their parent's HC until age 26. It will eliminate annual or lifetime caps.

WHY can't you look at the positives in the bill instead of constantly only finding the negatives???

I remember how angry I was when the Pubbies passed the Medicare Part D drug bill! But I have to tell you, it has helped a lot of older people who had NO DRUG BENEFIT. I still hate the idea that there's a dounut hole, but I understand that this new HC bill will eliminate that too.

Sure, single payer would have been better, but look how hard it is trying to pass THIS BILL. Single payer didn't stand any chance at all and you know it.

Try looking at the glass half full for a change instead of always half empty!

[uponit7771]

18. I agree with you, I'm advocating for the bill and so is Wendel Potter that said the splintering

...posters on this forum needs to be called out for the crap talking

[girl gone mad]

40. Pre-existing conditions will not be eliminated by this bill.

Geez you people are naive.

[napi21]

47. I suggest you check your own info!

The bill also ends discrimination by insurance companies against people with preexisting conditions

http://realclearpolitics.blogs.time.com/2009/12/24/more-reax-on-senate-hc-vote/

He said insurers should no longer be able to deny coverage for preexisting conditions, drop coverage when a policyholder gets sick, or jack up premiums. "We allow the insurance industry to run wild in this country," Obama said.

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/homepage/87096972.html

Google Pre-existing conditions Senate HC Bill and you'll find many sources that state that IT DOES!

[bamacrat]

19. I doubt they would be able too.

They may not want to vote for it, but if they overturn it and the horrible spiral of the insurance monopoly continues they will be to blame. It's like Medicare, they hate it but they don't want to get rid of it. If they do they will be voted out of office the first chance. Because if it is passed, people will want to see if it works, the majority of people not the Tbaggers.

[uponit7771]

21. Some of the loudest liberals post as if they KNOW it wont work and they should be helping the GOP...

...in their efforts

[bamacrat]

26. Yeah, I don't think it is great but it is something.

Sure I would have loved to see single-payer or at least a public option. But some of the things in the bill are good ideas, but they are surrounded by corporate kickbacks. I feel that this is probably the best we can do right now, given our leadership in Congress.

[uponit7771]

27. +1

[Pithlet]

23. This is a really good point. The fact they're on the same side

as the GOP as far as whether the bill should pass should make them think. It should make them think real hard about their position. I don't know why that gets glossed over in their arguments the way it does. I've even seen it attributed to a scam by the GOP to trick us, which is just nuts. But there is a reason the GOP is fighting it, and they aren't giving it a token fight either. It isn't a sham. They don't want the this reform to pass because it would be a huge win for our side. It's a move in the right direction, even if it isn't the final destination. They know that. I really hope for the sake of the uninsured suffering in our country that no efforts to obstruct this historic passage are successful. It would be beyond shameful. And I could just see the GOP and the insurance companies cackling with glee.

[uponit7771]

24. Yeap, I've seen a couple of post like this over the days that confront the baby out with bathwater

...mentality of some folk and the relative silence is deafening

[ChicagoSuz219]

25. I love people that hate the Bill...

...that hasn't been written yet.

[depakid]

28. Some folks have apparently forgotten about the Medicare Part D scam...

Republicans are always the first out of the box to repeal massive giveaways to their corporate donors so that ordinary Americans won't suffer.

[pampango]

29. Life is tough. Don't like bill. Bill fails. "Start over." Republicans win. Tough choice. Or...

Don't like bill. Bill passes. Republicans lose. Probably no "improve it later" - at least not anytime soon. Tough choice.

[uponit7771]

30. I'm willing to wait for changes, it took a long time for other changes too

[girl gone mad]

42. I'm willing to wait, too.

Wait for something that doesn't punish people to enrich corrupt corporations the way this hideous bill does.

[Romulox]

31. You're very young if this is the first case of "Strange Bedfellows" you've encountered. nt

[uponit7771]

32. Most progressives I know think reThugs are fuckin stupid and wont support anything they're for

[Romulox]

33. Oh dear. Maybe start by googling "strange bedfellows"....nt

[uponit7771]

34. The enemy of my enemy is my friend, so YOU think progressives are making the GOP their friend?

I TRULY doubt that much

[Romulox]

35. That's not the saying! And "friends" got nothing to do with it.

You can either vote for or against a bill. Voting the same way with Republicans (albeit for vastly different reasons) doesn't make anybody "friends". :shrug:

[girl gone mad]

45. Or appoint them into their administration..

and tell them how great their ideas are, repeatedly?

Sure, sure.

[berni_mccoy]

36. FDL and Kucinich already are. Norquist and the Teabaggers are happily clapping their hands

cheering them on.

[Umbral]

37. Didn't the President say he wanted bipartisanship? nt

[berni_mccoy]

38. Yes, to PASS HCR. Kucinich wants Bipartisanship to KILL IT.

[girl gone mad]

44. Yes, we know. Bipartisanship is only good when it helps the ruling elites.

Bipartisanship in the name of helping the middle class = evil.

[girl gone mad]

39. Every major idea in this bill originated from w/in the Republican party.

I guess that means that if you support it, you're a Republican enabler who likes to eat puppies.. :shrug:

[berni_mccoy]

41. The Public Option was a Republican Idea? Wow. Why are none of them willing to vote for it?

[girl gone mad]

43. The public option is in the bill?

:rofl:

[berni_mccoy]

46. Yes, indeed it is, and it is a shame that you don't get it

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x7877076