It's time to realize that TPTB are "culling the herd"

[grasswire]

Just as many of us have come to understand the principles of Disaster Capitalism, Shock and Awe, and Progress Through Chaos, we ought to be waking up to the fact that the progressive breakdown of health care to Americans is an organized drive to "cull the herd" -- to allow millions of elderly, sick, disabled (COSTLY) citizens to die.

Conservatives have dreamed of this moment for decades now.

If they just ruin health care, millions on Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, Disability will be off the roles. Millions will die.

Does anyone truly think TPTB are not capable of this heinous plan?

Think about what they have done to get to this point. They made wars happen to drain the treasury. They stole elections. They killed and tortured.

And remember Katrina.

It's time for a Special Prosecutor. It's time to send in U.S. Marshals to seize computers and files of insurance bigwigs.

The people are under attack.

[HeresyLives]

1. Surely you jest.

[xchrom]

15. Stop calling me Shirley. Nt

[HeresyLives]

16. LOL I was replying to the OP

but it's cute anyway.

[Rabrrrrrr]

2. And who are TPTB?

[ShortnFiery]

6. The Powers That Be = The OWNERS of this Nation ... the real owners. eom

[Rabrrrrrr]

11. Yes, of course. I know the acronym. That's why I asked "Who are" and not "what is".

Who are TPTB? In your opinion. Specifically.

"The owners of this nation" is so nebulous it's meaningless.

[Subdivisions]

44. Goldman Sachs? n/t

[Taverner]

3. The rich want $10 hookers and nothing will stop them in their quest

They want the other 98% of America to be broke, depressed, fighting with each other and desperate. They long for the day they can "sell jobs" to the lowest bidder, living wage be damned.

They want a $10 hooker, who is not afraid to charge $5 if that gets her the job

[kestrel91316]

10. +10

[daggahead]

12. We're mostly talking about powerful conservatives, here, right?

In that case, they want a $10 hooker, who is not afraid to charge $5 if that gets him the job

[omega minimo]

24. The rich want "$10 hookers" in Congress

[Ozymanithrax]

4. Who are the TPTB?

Is the same TPTB known as the Illuminati.

Or is it those TPTB writen about in the Protocols of the Eldars of Zion?

Is this a nother goup of TPTB?

Give thise people a face and show how their positions of power give them this vast, multinational authority.

[Occulus]

31. It's money, not position.

I can't give names- it was a long, long time ago and I just do not remember them- but at one time I was a temp working at First of America Bank (now known as Fifth Third) doing data entry for large trust fund accounts. I was completely astonished to discover that, living in this not-so-large city in SW Michigan and the area around it, there were families- single families, not corporations- holding trusts worth hundreds of millions of dollars.

The largest I saw was for something like upward of a quarter billion. Cash.

These people are the Owners. They keep their wealth quiet. Many of them live in very modest homes and do not flaunt their wealth openly, knowing all the while that they and their great-great-many-times-great grandchildren will never ever have to lift one finger to support themselves if the money is handled correctly. They live, vacation, remodel, and purchase on the interest alone.

And many of them could give fuck-all about you and me. Many of them have little sense of social responsibility. Not all, but enough to do our society as a whole serious damage in the long run.

And they're nameless. You and I and everyone else on this board, as well as those who will ever stumble upon this post, will never know just who they are.

[Ozymanithrax]

34. And you say the homicidal people with trusts control the world...

Sorry, I don't buy your premise.

[Occulus]

36. I never said homicidal, nor did I imply they "control the world".

But you knew that already.

I did say that there are a lot of people out there with a lot of money that look just like your next door neighbor who probably wouldn't even piss on you to put you out if you were on fire. But you already knew that, too.

WTF is it with the obtuseness and deliberate misinterpretations on this board lately? You knew exactly what I meant when you read it. I was very careful to be very precise, and yet here you are, pulling out terms like "homicidal" and "control the world", when I never said any such thing. Shame on you.

[Ozymanithrax]

37. This TPTB is as false as identical idea in the Protocols of the Elders of Zion...

or the Illuminati.

or the Rothschild's.

Which is the source of this whole idea.

Rich people are not organized into a cabal to destroy the poor. The world is a more complex place than that.

I know several people who are considered rich. Those I know are every bit as concerned about the world and the poor as you or I.

As I said, I don't buy your premise or that of this thread.

[Occulus]

39. I neither said nor implied any of those things, either.

"Rich people are not organized into a cabal to destroy the poor."

I never said nor implied any such thing. What I said was that there are very wealthy people, probably many of them, who simply do not care about what goes on around them that is detrimental to society because they're already taken care of for life and then some. What I meant was that, for example, we could suffer complete and total economic collapse and they would remain untouched by it because their piles of wealth are so vast that they don't have to care.

It's not like they scheme together in dark alleys and smoke-filled rooms with dim lights; it's simply a confluence of individually shared interests. No conspiracy need exist, because they are, individually and without communication between each other, all on the same page, ideologically speaking.

I never said they were "organized into a cabal to destroy the poor", although some of them may be willing to exploit the poor and underemployed in order to grow their fortunes.

I never compared them to the Protocols of the Elders of Zion (WTF, man? Really, what the blue fuck?).

I never mentioned the Rothschilds.

I never mentioned the Illuminati.

And I really do not care that you don't buy it, because the reality doesn't require you to believe in it for it to be the reality. There are people and families out there with enough wealth in the form of cold hard cash to buy you, your entire extended family, and all their property, and never notice the expense. Many of them very likely do not now and never will care about your problems, or mine, or the problems facing our society. All those expenses are a decimal point on a balance sheet.

Stop putting words in my mouth. Again, I think you know exactly what I was trying to say, but you are insisting upon reading into my words meanings that just aren't there. I simply related what my own experience was (and it was an eye-opener, believe me; I had no idea that kind of wealth was in this area because it isn't talked about).

I will say this, though: some of them do care. They're the ones that founded the Kalamazoo Promise foundation, which guarantees students in the Kalamazoo area who maintain a specific GPA or above in high school and attend the Kalamazoo school system through their educational years an all-expense paid trip to an in-state four-year college.

So, yes, there really are very wealthy people who do care and who do try to improve society directly, but I'm pretty confident in saying that those are not the norm. If all very wealthy people and families felt that same sense of social responsibility, this thread wouldn't be here in the first place.

[Ozymanithrax]

40. The whole concept of TPTB, which is the point of the OP is right out of..

the protocols.

I'm not rich, and never will be, but those I have no are every bit as complex and conflicted as the poor. The investor class does have enough money that they will never be worried about being hungry, unless they are on a diet. But they are not this monolithic group. Most of those I have known had strong beliefs in giving back somethign of what they have. Most of them were Democrats who shared most of the progressive values we all share. A few were not, and I knew one bussiness who was a monster. But there are monsters in every group.

I don't paint the poor with one brush and one color. I won't paint the rich that way, either. I think Hemmingway was right..

F. Scott Fitzgerald: "The very rich are different from you and me."
Ernest Hemingway: "Yes, they have more money."

[Occulus]

42. "The Powers that Be" is vernacular for any group "holding the strings".

People on the forums at Gateworld, for exmaple, regularly refer to the producers of the show as "TPTB". And that's just one, of a very great many, frivolous examples.

"TPTB" normally has nothing at all to do with anything related to what you're talking about. It's regularly used in everyday conversation to refer to anyone calling the shots in any context.

And again, I think you know that.

[Subdivisions]

47. TPTB (The Powers That Be) are the

Bilderberg Group, and other such groups of high-powered persons who hold secret meetings. These groups include, but are not limited to, the Bohemian Grove, the United States Chamber of Commerce, Infraguard, The Business Roundtable, and Skull and Bones.

Anyone who doesn't think that collusion in the planning of control over the population and the direction of society/culture takes place in the secret meetings of these organizations/entities is profoundly naive. It's manifested in every law that restricts our rights, such as gay marriage, and on every street corner security camera stanchion that snaps your picture when you run a red light.

And, considering all of these groups consist of more than two persons, they are all guilty of being involved in a conspiracy. That these groups exist is no theory.

[ShortnFiery]

5. I'm a believer.

The late George Carlin put it best. To paraphrase, if you're not in "the big club" then you're screwed.

The ruling political elites are part of the big club, the vast majority of us at DU ... are not. :(

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JChUO4TLjnY

[branders seine]

7. it is a worldwide plan,

and the target is not millions, but billions to be culled.

[HeresyLives]

8. Ahh the mysterious 'they' who really run the world.

Those 'rich', those 'elites', those lizard people...

[branders seine]

9. you must be one of them

[HeresyLives]

14. Yup, absolutely.

http://www.audiomicro.com/lizard-sound-effects-171353

[branders seine]

22. but you look so human!

;-)

[HeresyLives]

23. Really GOOD makeup.

:hi:

[Cleita]

13. I'm all for it and we can start with Dick Cheney. n/t

[WilliamPitt]

17. TPTB?

Not familiar with the acronym.

[sinkingfeeling]

20. Will, I think he means 'the powers that be'.

[grasswire]

25. those who make decisions above our pay grade, Will.

The same ones who stole elections, lied us into wars, allowed Katrina, privatized the military operations, drained the U.S. Treasury....probably the same ones who assassinated a few populists and who orchestrated a military coup attempt against FDR and a coup attempt against Bill Clinton. The ones who perverted the media, tainted the judiciary.....well you know it goes on and on.

The attacks on health care, on Medicare and Social Security and on the very "common welfare" are orchestrated and part of a continuum of warfare against the American people.

[xchrom]

18. I rec this only because I think seizing the computers

And files of the insurance cpanies would yeild
very interesting results.

[sinkingfeeling]

19. And how much vodka have you drunk today?

[grasswire]

27. people used to say things like that...

....to those who spoke out about the theft of the 2000 election, or about the lies that took us to war.

I wish I had been wrong about all these things that have happened. But I'm not.

Wake up.

[Hannah Bell]

21. reducing social benefits will indeed = more deaths. that's known & forseeable.

so if you mean US political leadership is making these plans knowing the result will be increased death & disability -- & that their "funders" are behind their backs, pushing for the changes with the same foreknowledge -- i agree.

it's debateable whether the unfortunate results are the end goal, or mere "collateral damage" of economic policies that benefit elites.

but the end result is the same: more people die.

[0rganism]

26. Special Prosecuter? US Marshals? who do you think they work for?

The federal government is at least majority-owned by the same PTB you'd like to see arrested. If there ever was a time when our government existed to serve the people, that time has passed.

[grasswire]

28. I realize that risk

BTW, where did I suggest arresting anyone?

I am a full proponent of due process. Arrests come after evidence is seized.

[0rganism]

30. if the evidence were seized, arrests would surely follow

Both occur in a world where democratic government retains a shred of integrity.

The crimes committed by TPTB are "too big to be prosecuted."

[earth mom]

29. Anyone who doesn't know this is NOT paying attention.

The corruption in this country is rampant.

Look how Obama & Congress are kissing corporate america's ass at taxpayer expense while at the same time protecting themselves from being prosecuted for being part of * & Co's war crimes.

Pitchforks, anyone?

[HeresyLives]

33. Anyone who believes this

has issues that are beyond help on this site.

[earth mom]

43. You are the one who needs massive help for your denial. See a doc as soon as possible. nt

[Duer 157099]

32. Could not agree more

Unfortunately

[Odin2005]

35. Social Darwinism never died.

[Trillo]

38. Would getting just the files of big insurance companies be enough?

If there was collusion between pharmaceutical and insurance firms, wouldn't it be best to get both sets of files?

[kctim]

41. Ah, more Infowars, eh?

[Subdivisions]

45. There is plenty of video evidence that Alex Jones has

confronted the so-called "the powers that be" in their meetings, I believe the most recent of which was in Chantilly, VA, in 2008.

Now, while I readily admit that in many ways Alex Jones is a nut, there can be no denying by anyone that these secretive meetings between some of the most powerful people in government, business, entertainment, and the news media do indeed take place. What we are not privvy to is the what exactly takes place during these meetings. And from that is borne all manner of speculation, some of which at times seems to coincidentally materialize.

[kctim]

46. If the OP was speculation

then you would be correct. But, the OP is stating opinions as facts and has no evidence to back them up.

You do make a very good point, I just don't think it applies to this OP.