LIVE C-SPAN link to debate on Kucinich's Afghanistan resolution

[Robb]

FYI: http://www.c-span.org/Watch/C-SPAN.aspx

Edited to add: If you're just tuning in, it's a resolution to leave Afghanistan pronto.

[Seedersandleechers]

1. which c-span channel?

[Robb]

2. CSPAN 1. nt

[Robb]

3. Jared Polis (D-CO):

Would prefer a worldwide intelligence effort, sending "targeted special operations" into whatever country turns up terrorists.

[SnoopDog]

4. First discussion on the Afgan (undeclared) War since 911...

Thanks Congressman Kucinich....

[Robb]

5. Doggett (D-Texas):

"False choice" of all troops in or all troops out. Slams Karzai for election irregularities and appointing cronies to investigate said irregularities.

Wants "more narrow military footprint and pragmatic exit strategy."

[Robb]

8. Kucinich is on.

Says we will be in Afghanistan a "very very very very long time" unless a date is set for withdrawal.

Mentions cost in lives and money, better spent elsewhere.

"Congress must claim responsibility, one way or another, for challenging the corruption that has engulfed the Afghanistan administration."

Counter-insurgency tactics have "apparently failed."

"After 8-1/2 years, it is time that this Congress be heard from."

[G_j]

6. DK on now

:thumbsup:

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

7. Go get 'em Dennis. Make 'em answer up and quit ducking.

[SnoopDog]

9. Afgan 'war' for the pipeline....

I agree - either declare war or get out...

[Robb]

11. He was speaking metaphorically, I believe. nt

[SnoopDog]

13. I would say Kucinich laid out the real reason we are there....

[Robb]

10. Kucinich:

"Regardless of your support or opposition to the war, this resolution is about ensuring debate."

[G_j]

12. time for Congress to claim it's constitutional responsibility

whether they are for or against the war

[Robb]

14. Blumenauer (D-Oregon)

Says history does not suggest we will be able to stabilize Afghanistan militarily. "No one has, I don't think anyone ever will."

Cites corruption as biggest issue on the ground there.

"Each one of these additional troops we are sending over costs $1M per year to support."

"In rural Afghanistan, 80% drink polluted water and only 10% have adequate sanitation."

"I don't agree with the resolution ... I do think it is important for Congress to focus on what is here, what is possible. We need to start reversing the course in there, we need to narrow our focus and make more efforts to involve the Afghans themselves with water, sanitation, and make sure Congress has a voice and is pushing back as the elements come to us."

[Robb]

15. Diaz-Balart (R-Florida)

Hopes Congress "strongly and bipartisanly" rejects resolution.

"It would be a grave mistake for us to allow the Taliban to regain power in Afghanistan."

"They (Taliban) opened up the country for terrorists to train there for attacks against the United States."

[Solly Mack]

16. k/r

listening

[Robb]

17. McGovern (D-Mass)

"There is nothing wrong with demanding our troops come home. There is nothing unpatriotic in demanding families be told when they are coming home."

Wants flexible, mobile, global strategy to attack Al Q cells wherever they might be.

"Are Afghanistan's tribal disputes going to be solved on the battlefield, or at the political negotiating table?"

"We must continue to debate this issue." How/when it will end.

[Robb]

18. Baby's awake, could someone else pick up for me? nt

[G_j]

19. thanks Robb

for the accurate quotes, a great help!

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

20. 70 yeas so far. Even a Repug voted for it.

[Puregonzo1188]

21. Is it over? I just turned on CSPAN and they're voting on Haitian aid relief

What happened?

[Puregonzo1188]

22. Never mind, I lied They're voting.

[tridim]

23. It's a split screen.. The withdrawal resolution is happening on the bottom of the screen.

Haiti on top.

[Puregonzo1188]

28. I realized that right after I posted. I feel silly. (n/t)

[berni_mccoy]

24. Still voting... 142 Y / 127 N

[berni_mccoy]

25. Continuing momentum in favor... looks like it has a good chance of passing.

[SnoopDog]

26. Why would anybody unrec this thread? Its about discussing the Afghan 'war'.

[berni_mccoy]

27. Getting closer... max possible if every remaining Dem votes Y: 225... need 216

[tridim]

29. Looks like it passed.

Now on to the Senate where it will be killed.

[berni_mccoy]

30. Wasn't this a procedural vote to debate. Not to pass it.

[tridim]

32. Got it, this should be an interesting debate.

[G_j]

31. passed

[SnoopDog]

33. Now onto three hours of debate... then a final vote.

[G_j]

35. thank you Dennis Kucinich for this debate nt

[bigtree]

34. text of resolution

HCON 248 IH

111th CONGRESS

2d Session

H. CON. RES. 248

Directing the President, pursuant to section 5(c) of the War Powers Resolution, to remove the United States Armed Forces from Afghanistan.

IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

March 4, 2010

Mr. KUCINICH (for himself, Mr. CONYERS, Mr. FILNER, Mr. JONES, Ms. WOOLSEY, Mr. CAPUANO, Mr. JOHNSON of Illinois, Mr. PAUL, Ms. BALDWIN, Mr. GRIJALVA, Mr. MASSA, Mr. GRAYSON, Ms. LEE of California, Ms. PINGREE of Maine, Mr. DAVIS of Illinois, Ms. CLARKE, Mr. SERRANO, and Mr. MICHAUD) submitted the following concurrent resolution; which was referred to the Committee on Foreign Affairs

CONCURRENT RESOLUTION

Directing the President, pursuant to section 5(c) of the War Powers Resolution, to remove the United States Armed Forces from Afghanistan.

Resolved by the House of Representatives (the Senate concurring),

SECTION 1. REMOVAL OF UNITED STATES ARMED FORCES FROM AFGHANISTAN.

Pursuant to section 5(c) of the War Powers Resolution (50 U.S.C. 1544(c)), Congress directs the President to remove the United States Armed Forces from Afghanistan--

(1) by no later than the end of the period of 30 days beginning on the day on which this concurrent resolution is adopted; or

(2) if the President determines that it is not safe to remove the United States Armed Forces before the end of that period, by no later than December 31, 2010, or such earlier date as the President determines that the Armed Forces can safely be removed.


read: http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=hc111-248

[slipslidingaway]

36. knr nt

[Solly Mack]

37. Yes, Poe, this military family is watching...and this military family thinks you're a piece of shit.

and my family can do without your kind of "support"

[EFerrari]

38. And that's just the way it is!

[Solly Mack]

39. Pretty much

[EFerrari]

40. (That's what Poe says at the end of his two minute speeches.

He's an idiot.)

[Solly Mack]

41. I was sputtering loudly by then :)

I listen to some of these folks and I remember what they've said over the last decade and I recall the votes they've made and I just want them to swallow their so-called "support" and choke on it.

[EFerrari]

42. I hate people like this McKeon bastard who use our dead to justify their deaths.

Fuck him. Twice.

[Solly Mack]

43. Yep

Walk all over the dead to justify more dying too

[bigtree]

44. Ron Paul up now . . .

supports resolution, thanks the congressman

Drawing parallels between Vietnam's Tonkin resolution. Questioning who enemy is. Taliban?

"Illegal transfer of power to the president to wage war at will"

[bigtree]

45. Duncan, republican - Tennesee speaking against the occupation

"we can't afford this"

[malaise]

46. I'm watching

Thanks
End all the fucking wars.

[bigtree]

47. Jackson-Lee

powerful defense of resolution

[G_j]

48. still time to watch... nt

[951-Riverside]

49. *kick*

:kick:

[bigtree]

50. Joe Sestak sounding hawkish

. . . fanning fear about Pakistan in a hushed tone, using a Gen. Hayden quote.

[Individualist]

51. K&R

[Robb]

52. How goes?

...Only one hand available at the moment, and the bandwidth has singing hippos.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

53. Pence just singing the "support the troops" tune. Dennis up now.

[SnoopDog]

54. Rep Mark Steven Kirk (R) - asshole...

[Individualist]

55. Asshole is an understatement.