Pelosi: Say Goodbye To The Public Option (Declares PO Dead)

[kpete]

Source: Talking Points Memo

Pelosi: Say Goodbye To The Public Option
Ben Frumin | March 12, 2010, 11:35AM


House Speaker Nancy Pelosi declared the public option dead during a press briefing moments ago.

"We're talking about something that's not going to be part of the legislation," she said.

I'm quite sad that a public option isn't in there. But it isn't a case of it's not in there because the Senate is whipping against it. It's not in there because they don't have the votes to have it in there.

"We had it," Pelosi said. "We wanted it. They didn't have it. It's not in the reconciliation."


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kpete: all my hopes gone....
forget all my happy posts, we lost.

[Donnachaidh]

1. But Durbin just said he's whip it if Nancy put it in

bwahahahahahahahahahahah -- the monti game just got a bit more frantic :rofl:

Which shell is the public option under in the next round?

[City Lights]

5. Well if he whips it if Nancy puts it in, who will have to swallow hard?

Swallowing hard was Durbin's talking point yesterday. :crazy: This is sounding like an updated version of "Who's on first?"

[Donnachaidh]

32. No shit -- it would be funny if this wasn't such a desperate situation for millions

I still envision a bloodbath in November. I think BOTH sides deserve a good and proper ass-whooping for acting like kindergarden rejects.

[No Elephants]

8. She's saying she does not have the house votes to put in a public option. Where did

they go and why?

Maybe Massa was a lousy groper, but still right about Rahm's bullying? The two things are not mutually exclusive.

[Donnachaidh]

36. Good question -- I smell the rahminator on this one.

Notice how everyone gets all positive about doing something for the little guy, and when it gets close to *doing* it -- suddenly it's we haven't got the votes.

Stinks to high heavens.

[Autonomy]

113. I believe she is saying the Senate does not have the votes

and the House does.

[Eric J in MN]

2. We have Nancy Pelosi blaming the Senate and Dick Durbin blaming the House.

If Pelosi and Durbin really cared about passing a public option, then they would be fighting for it instead of giving up and blaming the other house of Congress.

[No Elephants]

10. No, Nancy's blaming the House and exonerating Durbin. What she says is

confusing because of double and triple negatives in her sentences. However, she is saying she does not have the votes in the House.

[The Wielding Truth]

22. How could the votes not be there? Are they going with a super majority?

[avaistheone1]

25. I don't get this either...

[No Elephants]

46. The House does not do super majorities. What don't you get?

Massa said as he was leaving that, without him, Rahm would have enough votes to pass health care "reform." Looks as though Massa was right about that, no matter how wrong Massa was (or wasn't) about his staffers.

[tigereye]

68. I thought she did?

bizarre.

[Marr]

117. I think she's saying the Senate doesn't have the votes. n/t

[RandomThoughts]

3. I wonder if they are scared.

My guess is the story about recent events around Reid's wife and daugter accident is not completly accurate. Right after that, Durbin comes out with no ammendment support, throws it to Pelosi.

And then she announces it is not in,

what else changed in last 24 hours?

[Enrique]

4. so they're telling people not to vote for it

because they don't have the votes for it? :crazy:

[Cleita]

6. Well, I could have told you that back in July when they started this

dog and pony show. All we can do is change the face of Congress in November. This plan modeled on the one Tom Daschle wanted and wrote a book on was the one that was going to be passed. It was predetermined. All that went on was just theater to make it look like they really were interested in choices.

:eyes:

[Individualist]

60. +1

[tavalon]

88. That's my take on it as well

Though it took me until this current go around to drop out of the game. I have watched a bit on DU but I'm not jumping through all the hoops they've wanted this time because I figured out the outcome was predetermined.

[Roland99]

7. Hey Dems! Say goodbye to any campaign donations!

dumb fucks.

[freddie mertz]

72. + 1. Enough of this ridiculous, hurtful charade.

They suck, and I am done.

[Blue Owl]

9. There's only so much room on their precious table

But be sure to keep all your wasteful stuff like trillion-dollar illegal wars on a fucking candle-lit silver platter.

[mvd]

11. Right on!

If they REALLY want something, they don't just say "we don't have the votes." I thought Pelosi would be better than this.

[rockymountaindem]

12. Well that was obvious back in, like, October

You remember the heady days when we were talking about getting a bill by Thanksgiving...

[cornermouse]

13. Then it is time to kill the bill.

[Cleita]

14. Just listening to Bernie Sanders on Thom Hartmann and he's saying the

PO is not dead. It's just going to be a complicated process to get it in. :shrug: I don't know what to think anymore.

[mvd]

18. The progressives have to make clear that..

they aren't going along with giving up everything while the "moderates" get everything they demand in the bill. Then maybe the public option will remain alive. Kudos to Bernie for trying.

[liberation]

35. I don't know... "moderates" in this country make great "reactionaries" elsewhere

Nothing "moderate" about some of the stands of the so called center.

[tango-tee]

108. True!

Here in Germany, the Social Democratic Party has become almost irrelevant. They are no longer the voice of the working people. It is difficult sometimes to distinguish them from the Christian Democrats any more. But thank goodness we have a Left Party and Green Party. Especially the Left Party has made gains in the recent past.

[cascadiance]

135. Progressive Dems need to YELL that THEIR seats are in jeopardy now!

So much for placating the Blue Dogs to help them keep their seats! How about the progressives telling leadership, that in the process of becoming Republican as Rahm seems to be steering them to, the party is threatening THEIR seats in coming elections! And that WE as progressives need to be placated too!

Time for a new party folks! We need to make it happen. If we get to a tipping point, I think a lot of progressive Dem pols will jump on board to get away from the DINO DLC control over the party now.

[Vidar]

62. Thanks for the info. I give much more credence to Bernie than Pelosi.

[mvd]

15. If even she says that..

then can anyone convince me they will ever be open to putting it in? Even after the bill passes? My main reason for reluctantly supporting passage was the hope that a public option and not just minor fixes are going in after.

[KoKo]

16. It's disgraceful how they've yo-yo'd their activists.

It's become a giant game back and forth with new actors popping up offering hope and the other hand takes it away. All played out for almost a year.

And, yes...the Harry Reid's wife and daughter accident is a terrible thing. I hear the driver of the Semi is charged with "reckless driving."

[tavalon]

89. Three card monty

We can't win the game because that isn't the point. The point is to make us feel like we have a part in "choosing".

[progressoid]

17. Big fucking surprise.

[bluesmail]

19. I flashed on the horrible accident Harry Reid's wife and daughter were in.

Very first flash.

[mvd]

20. First of all, my condolences go out to Sen. Reid's family

That was horrible. I'm not one to ignore conspiracy theories, but as of now I think it was just an unfortunate accident. More likely the insurance companies just kicked in more money. :-(

[femrap]

24. 'accident?' nt

[tavalon]

90. His wife and daughter were in a bad car accident yesterday

[Froward69]

21. FUCK!!!

goddamn fucking greedy senate... their checks cashed apparently.

[femrap]

23. I think the dems

are a bunch of sadists and enjoy watching the Base get excited and then they can come in and squash all of our hopes for health care.

Just keep taking that Multiple Vitamin and pray that you can reach 65....of course by then Medicare will be gone.

I think we need to now support efforts to get Assisted Suicide legalized.

[tigereye]

69. they aren't going to get rid of Medicare - who's saying that?

Medicare works really well compared to many programs.

[Name removed]

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[Barbara2423]

27. If the Public Option was included the Dem would win by a

landslide in November. But don't fear Grayson is coming up with something better.

[tigereye]

70. I've called all my Senators and Congressmen telling them we need a PO

I hope that everyone else is doing the same.

[tavalon]

91. This time around, I can honestly say that no, I'm not calling my congresscritters

I'm awfully naive and gullible for 47 years old, but even I have figured out this is a rigged game.

[Yuugal]

131. +1

44 here and yeah, I'm done calling anyone. These people are NOT on our side.

[Goldstein1984]

28. Let's hope for a progressive payback in 2010 and 2012

[Name removed]

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[GOTV]

29. That's too bad. Now the president will have to veto it ....

"Any plan I sign must include an insurance exchange: a one-stop shopping marketplace where you can compare the benefits, cost and track records of a variety of plans - including a public option"

- President Obama

[liberation]

33. LOL That would require that Obama takes a stand on something which is not corporate approved...

... not really holding my breath on that one, seeing the track record of this administration thus far.

But who knows, at this point...

[Marr]

118. Isn't it hilarious? "Chess player", my ass.

These con men have fucked this thing up so badly. Now they're all pointing fingers at one another, and none of their excuses make sense.

[liberation]

30. But... But... didn't Mrs. Pelosi said that they were real hard to bring back the PO

So basically it goes on, off, on, off, on, off....

Maybe they are trying to encode a message in morse or something? Just plain binary code? Will the Dems let us know what the fuck they are doing? Or maybe not... at this point I just don't give a damn anymore.

[tavalon]

92. Democrats are diligently serving their constituents

Aetna, Premera, United Health, Cigna..............

[Bryn]

106. My Democratic Senator, Blanche Lincoln, takes money...

From a MoveOn.org fundraising email:

Blanche Lincoln is one of the worst corporate Democrats in Washington. That's why 92 percent of Arkansas MoveOn members voted to support Bill Halter over Blanche Lincoln in a primary election. Instead of fighting for the health care reform Arkansas families desperately need, she took nearly a million ($866,000) from Big Insurance and HMO interests and then played a leading role in opposing the public health insurance option. She took $1.3 million from Wall Street banks and helped kill legislation that would've allowed struggling homeowners to stay in their homes. And she sponsored a bill to roll back the Clean Air Act to protect corporate profits. With Bill Halter, our Arkansas members see a candidate who will stand up to special interests. Arkansans deserve someone who'll fight for them, not Wall Street.

She took nearly a million from Big Insurance and HMO interests and then played a leading role in opposing the public health insurance option. Imagine that! I am working to unseat her here in Arkansas. She's not the only one. There are many like her in the Whitehouse. No wonder we the People are having a very hard time in America. It's a shame that many democrats are so weak. Money makes them weak. It's not that they're "spineless". They cannot resist money that corporations pour out of their windows.

[Oregone]

34. Im sure that the same spineless party that let it die made a wonderfully perfect bill otherwise

[liberation]

43. Yet somehow we are supposed to pretend the bill will get "better" later on...

At least that is what the DLC types in this site keep parroting.

Yet, my spidey sense (AKA common sense) leads me to believe that if the Dems could not even manage to pass a legislation, with a public option which was as weak and compromised as the one proposed during this whole clusterfuck. Chances are they won't be able to do something much harder, like trying to actually transform this piece of shit bill into something decent later on, when there is guaranteed to be more inertia and more special interests have had plenty of time to work on strategies to neutralize any further improvement (I define improvement as something that helps the average American citizen, not a handful of private insurance companies).

I am just tired of progressives being proven correct, over and over and over again. Only to be berated, abused, insulted, and talked down with utter contempt and condescension by those who are wrong over and over and over again. And by the time we are proven correct on our initial assessment, the same DLC and "moderates" have moved on to greener pastures to shill for yet another catastrophe being shoveled down our throats, not even having the decency of acknowledging how wrong they have been.


At this point, being a progressive and supporting the Dem party... which now has been completely taken over by the DLC, it is an exercise in masochism. The DLC and the DNC apparatchik are not only no interested in any piece of legislation which could be construed as moderately progressive, they are almost down right hostile to progressives.

So again, why on earth I would continue to vote and enable an administration which has a president whose chief of staff considers liberals as being "retarded?"

[bvar22]

37. "Say Goodbye To The Public Option" ??

You had better get ready to say "Goodbye" to a few things too, Nancy.

The "Public Option" was NEVER more than a shiny object dangled before the peasants to distract them while our "representatives" gave away the treasury to their RICH Corporate donors.


Admittedly, for a while there, I actually believed they were going to throw us a crumb.
But no, these greedy bastards are going to TAKE it ALL!
And at this point, there is NOTHING the MAJORITY of Americans who work hard everyday and try to do the RIGHT thing can do to stop them.

NOW we have Your Children’s Money too !!!
And there is not a fucking thing you can do about it!
Now THIS is “Bi-Partisanship” !
Better get used to it!!
Hahahahahahahahaha!



I find myself hoping there really is a HELL these days.
These heartless scumbags deserve to burn there for eternity...Democrats & Republicans.

[freddie mertz]

73. So many of us suspected this from the start, but we WANTED to believe we could trust these people...

to at least TRY to do the right thing.

But it was not to be, was never to be.

A pox and a CURSE on all of them.

[slipslidingaway]

83. BINGO! The “public option” and the wheelbarrow parable - Kip Sullivan JD

"...The "Public Option" was NEVER more than a shiny object dangled before the peasants to distract them while our "representatives" gave away the treasury to their RICH Corporate donors..."

:applause:


http://pnhp.org/blog/2010/03/06/wheelbarrow-parable/
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/slipslidingaway/301


"...If we substitute a health insurance industry bailout for the wheelbarrow, and the “option” for the straw, the parable illustrates the strategy of the “option” campaign. By creating a great ruckus over the “option” but all the while supporting bailout legislation (with or without an “option”), the “option” campaign has fooled its followers and the public into thinking its highest priority is the “option” when in fact its highest priority is a bailout.

In this three-part series, I summarize the evidence for this conclusion – that the “option” campaign cares more about the bailout than the “option.”

[Jakes Progress]

84. Best reason for religion now is believing there is a hell for these people. nt

[cascadiance]

136. Goodbye to PO Nancy? No! Goodbye to YOU and other complicit Dems!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DH1O6nyKnow

"Those times I waited for you seem so long ago
I wanted you far too much to ever let you go
You know you never got by "I feel it too"
And I guess I never could stand to lose
It's such a pity to say

Goodbye to you
Goodbye to you

Could I have loved someone like the one I see in you
I remember the good times baby now, and the bad times too
These last few weeks of holding on
The days are dull, the nights are long
Guess it's better to say

Goodbye to you
Goodbye to you
Goodbye to you
Goodbye to you

'Cause baby it's over now
No need to talk about it
It's not the same
My love for you's just not the same
And my heart, and my heart
And my heart can't stand the strain
And my love, and my love
And my love won't stand the pain
And my heart, and my heart
And my heart can't stand the strain
And my love, and my love
And my love...

Goodbye to you
Goodbye to you
Goodbye to you
Goodbye to you

Now, could I have loved someone like the one I see in you
Yeah, I remember the good times baby now, and the bad times too
These last few weeks of holding on
The days are dull, the nights are long
Guess it's better to say

Goodbye to you
Goodbye to you
Goodbye to you
Goodbye to you

Goodbye baby
So long darling
Goodbye to you"

[defendandprotect]

38. Pelosi had declared the public option DEAD any number of times ....hope she's wrong again--!!

[AlinPA]

39. Sometimes I think that the House and Senate leadership don't know what the hell is going on. nt

[tavalon]

93. Oh, unfortunately, I think they know exactly what's going on

Dog and Pony show. Bread and Circuses. Serving their corporate masters.

What they don't understand is that we are waking up to their game.

[NorthCarolina]

40. The answer is simple folks. OBAMA DOESN'T WANT A PUBLIC OPTION....period eom

[IndianaGreen]

51. That is the unspoken truth, and the great unmentionable in DU

The Baucus bill is the bill that Obama wanted!

[Lorien]

121. Yep. We've been had. nt

[Individualist]

61. Exactly.

[freddie mertz]

74. This is precise and verifiable truth.

We were lied to over and over again by this White House.

[Raksha]

82. You are absolutely right about that.

And we need to shout it from the rooftops, over and over again. And the fact that most Democrats still don't want to hear it only means we need to shout it that much louder: OBAMA DOESN'T WANT A PUBLIC OPTION!

We've been had. The emperor has no clothes...PERIOD!!!

[treestar]

99. Nice to know a US President rules the world

I thought we had a self government and separation of powers. Guess I was wrong. :sarcasm:

[valerief]

41. SUCK!!!! This Congress SUCKS!!!! DK is right. nt

[Altoid_Cyclist]

42. Our government loves to adhere to an old saying.

If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, then baffle them with B.S.

It works on a certain percentage of people every time no matter how blatant their violation as representatives of the American people the deed is.

For those people who aren't dazzled or baffled, it's a giant shrug of their shoulders by our leaders followed by "we don't have the votes".

I have freaking had it with that excuse! A little backbone and a lot more integrity might have supplied the needed votes.

It's funny how the corporate lobbyists always manage to round up the votes to screw Americans thanks to so many politicians being bought and paid for.

If our politicians really wanted to pass meaningful HCR, maybe they shouldn't have let the corporations and their minions write so much of the legislation in the first place. Here's hoping that everyone on DU stays as healthy and employed as possible.

[me b zola]

81. Here is Congress' theme song:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-zEtAuKuUY

[pattmarty]

44. Okay, now kill the goddamned thing.

[NorthCarolina]

45. Wow, so after all the anti-DK rants of late it turns out Kucinich was correct all along.

Guess the DLC will have to look for others ways to discredit him. Bye bye DLC New Dems....I feel a liberal/progressive wave approaching.:*

[nvme]

47. we had a brief ride thanks for the memories

[louis-t]

48. I feel like I'm at a tennis match.

It's in, it's out, it's in, it's out, it's in, it's out.....Sheeesh!

[tavalon]

94. I recommend that you stop watching

Whiplash is a pre-existing condition.

[Oerdin]

49. Then kill the bill.

I'm serious. If Democrats won't do what we elected them to do then it is better not to equivocate, don't let them half ass the job, and then fire them in the next election. Yes, it will suck when Republicans retake control but Democrats need to be punished until they figure out they work for us and not corporate lobbyists. Screw them.

[pundaint]

112. Fire your congressman, whatever the party - The best these guy's come up with, by their own

admission is an evil. Surely 435 freshmen representatives, and however many new senators are to be decided will be more likely than the current batch to give us a choice of goods.
If not we'll fire them again.

[fascisthunter]

50. and so is the re-election of democratic incumbents

dead

[upi402]

52. Are we ready to wake up yet?

Corporate Dems got what they asked for. I'm sick to death of being called a whiner when I advocate for taking our party back. Both parties are corporatist! What the fuck will it take?

Folks like Grayson may save our hide, but we need to get the Clinton-Republicans out first. I hope Sanders is right and we may still get it in.

[Hell Hath No Fury]

53. Then say goodbye to this Democrat.

Passing this bill as is, with no Medicare buy in or serious public option added in, will be the straw that broke the camel's back for me.

I don't appreciate being solk out to the insurance industry. Not after being sold out on soooo much for the past 9 years by the bastards.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

54. Oh, that's OK. Obama said he wouldn't sign it without a public option.

[FlyByNight]

55. Can't say I'm surprised

Does every fucking Dem in and around leadership have a glass jaw?

Improve the bill later (like NAFTA, Military Commissions Act, PATRIOT Act, etc.)? Right. In the wake of Citizens United v. FEC: not bloody likely.

:thumbsdown:

[Mari333]

56. then fuck er and the horse she rode in on

prepare for a slaughter in november, nancy .

[Vinca]

57. And they wonder why Dems aren't fired up this time around.

[tavalon]

95. Oh, we're fired up, just not the way they want

It's going to be a busy primary season.

[WolverineDG]

58. Fuck 'em all

Spineless assholes. Fuck 'em all.

dg

[Paladin]

64. As Usual, WDG, I'm With You. (n/t)

[WolverineDG]

65. I'm sick & tired of being played with by millionaires who HAVE public option health care

while I & many others DON'T HAVE HEALTH COVERAGE AT ALL!!

So, any DLC/DNC/Congress/Senators lurking out there: FUCK YOU BASTARDS SIX WAYS FROM SUNDAY!

dg

[tom_paine]

59. It was all Reality TV Bullshit, kpete - from minute one...

Sorry to hear you got taken in by it.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

63. She really should change her name to "Lucy".

[grahamhgreen]

66. "I'm quite sad" ! WTF "sad" yes - a sad figure in American history.

[2Design]

67. She never wanted it and is a weak leader - too bad this stnks n/t

[gulfcoastliberal]

71. I'm shocked, shocked. Not. Kill this POS fascist heap of shit bill. nt

[Wardoc]

75. Cheerleaders needed STAT! Not loving the insurance mandate "HCR" bill being declared openly! (nt)

[silenttigersong]

76. Snake-oil

that is what we have been sold.Obama really must have intended to be a 4 year Prez.Sad , really sad ,and pathetic.They knew ,from the git- go ,what they wanted .:hurts:

[CLANG]

77. That's it! I'm done with her! Primary her ass!!!

I won't send them another dime, but they don't care because they can get all the money they want from the corporations.

[Toasterlad]

78. Does Anyone STILL Not Get This?

Jesus christ, how long does someone have to piss in your face before you realize that they do NOT have your best interests at heart, and, indeed, have absolutely no respect for you whatsoever?

[stillwaiting]

79. Kill the bill. Now!

I will NOT support Democrats that further empower the ridiculous and criminal system we have in this country.

[CLANG]

80. My communication to Nancy Pelosi

Speaker Pelosi,

I've been a democrat all my life (55yo) and I have never been this disappointed and ANGRY! You're refusal to include a public option or medicare buy-in with reconciliation is the last straw. I will become a non-voter until things start to change. I will only contribute money direct to progressive candidates and concentrate on "primarying" corporatist tools, including you!

With no respect at all for you,
Greg ???????

[tavalon]

101. Please don't become a non-voter

Become a primary voter. Please.

[CLANG]

103. Nah, just playing hardball with her.

I'm going to keep voting for the lesser of two evils, until the ultimate bitter end...

[Bluenorthwest]

85. Barack Obama, who claims to be a Christian man

said that any bill he signs must include a public option. Now. He claims to be so committed to his faith that he can not endure the notion of other people having rights, so clearly he must be committed enough to be a man of his word rather than a full tilt liar. He will have to veto the bill, or his word is without value of any kind.

[CLANG]

104. You're right! WHEW! That was close!!!

:cry:

[Major Hogwash]

86. Does this mean I won't be getting my pony?

Don't tell Kos what Pelosi said or he will want to primary her, too!!

[flyarm]

87. you bet it is dead and this is why..

James Roosevelt, who was chair of the Rules and Bylaws Committee that decided to dock Michigan and Florida half of their delegates and award 4 of the delegates Clinton won in Michigan to Obama, as well as all of the uncommitted delegates, is the CEO of a health insurance company – Tufts Healthcare. Okay? Got that? The guy who made sure that Obama had the necessary to delegates to win the nomination – even to the point of assigning delegates another candidate won to him arbitrarily – is the CEO of a health insurance firm.
And what Roosevelt wants in a health insurance reform, is a reform that relies entirely upon private insurers. He does not want a public option. He wants a plan like Massachusetts has: http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2009/04/09/healthcare_lets_build_on_what_we_know/

xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

Not only did many of us have our democratic votes stolen..they are now fucking us in our health "care"..and the health care of our children and grandchildren........we have been 100% sold out!

As I told the DCCC guy who called me yesterday ..go fuck yourselves Democrats..I am so done with you all in DC..I feel a busy day in Nov Coming..facial..nails ..and hair..sorry i can't make it to vote democratic..for the first time in my adult life ..38 years of voting. You stole my vote in 2008..and now you are fucking my kids and grandchild..so now ..go fuck yourself!

Not another dime..not another minute of my time..not another phone call..not another speech..not another one of your field reps living with me..not another fucking thing..and that goes for my entire family! Oh and most of my friends that i have talked into and convinced to vote democratic..and i will do all i can to convince the 1000 people i have in an internet group I run..to sit their asses home in Nov!

[sabrina 1]

123. That should be an OP!

I can't think of printable words to describe how I feel. Stabbed in the back just seem strong enough.

[Enthusiast]

128. I got the same call.

And voiced the same concerns you did.

They know full well they are officially destroying the Democratic Party. It might even be their mission.

[merkins]

96. Predetermined Defeatism

this whole charade stinks to high heaven

[Kablooie]

97. Goodbye and good riddance!

All the public option was good for was helping people that couldn't afford commercial insurance and to create incentives to limit the costs of health care.

It did nothing to increase the profits of corporations or to help the super rich that rule our country.


So good riddance I say.


(Paid for by people who can afford expensive ads because it's chump change to them.)

[treestar]

98. This things has been declared dead more than Al Qaeda #2!

[varelse]

100. Green Party here I come (again)

[Raine]

102. Say Good by to your job Nancy

bye bye.

[democracy1st]

Starts with the Pres

[pundaint]

105. Well Fuck Congress!

[Gumbyman2]

107. The time has come!

I promise that I will begin funding any Democratic Primary Challengers who run against the Democratic Leadership. The slow death of the United States via politics is not my idea of fun...Maybe we should just let the Repugnant-cans back into power so it can be ended quickly.

[NuttyFluffers]

109. goodbye Pelosi, it's been real. you see, i need to defend my best interest, you're not it.

thankfully Barbara Lee and Barbara Boxer have my best interests at heart, so they will get my vote! :)

[caseymoz]

110. All this goes to show that Congressional Democrats never wanted the PO.

They simply acted like they were going to put it in. It was all a dog and pony show.

[d_b]

111. If I wanted conservatives dictating policy I'd donate and vote for repubes

Good luck in '10 and '12

[SlingBlade]

114. K & R We Progressives Didnt leave the Party

See ya in November ya fucking dogs !

[colsohlibgal]

115. A Travesty

Once again rich people prevail over non rich people. Her song that the votes aren't there is BS. This is just another example of them taking the progressive, liberal base of the party for granted. Keep it up and they will find differently. If nothing changes we need to do what we are doing with blue dog senators, we need to challenge Obama with a completely non apologetic fire brand liberal who speaks simple, unvarnished truth - and we have a few rising stars now that would fill that role nicely.

[smalll]

116. After all, it was only symbolic. /nt

[Faryn Balyncd]

119. Nancy, you KNOW without a public plan, the bill STINKS...Why become the smiley face of fascism?

[votingupstart]

120. has the towel been thrown? n/t

[Technowitch]

122. I am really tired...

...of being given no reason to donate my time, money, or votes.

The New Democratic Party: Same Corporatist Center-Right Policies, Just Not as Drano-Swilling Crazy as the GOP

[Enthusiast]

129. I have come to the

conclusion that the Drano-Swilling Crazy GOP is all part of the set-up.

[Festivito]

124. WHOSE VOTES ARE WE MISSING? They'll all go down. /nt

They'll all be spending their KILL-US-care money in campaigns. But, it'll be worth it to see them go.

If they take our health, who cares about the money the Republicans will steal.

[cascadiance]

134. Right! ROLL CALL PLEASE! It is REQUIRED for Democracy to work!

[GinaMaria]

138. Hope Bernie tries to add it as an amendment

to force these liars to show who they really are. Make them vote straight up or down on it and let the record stand. They are cowards and hide their true intentions. Force them into the light. We deserve to know who stands with us.

[upi402]

125. Unlimited corporate money, disenfranchised Democratic voters

Here's the math; They will get flattened and I don't care if many of them go. Corporatism is cemented. Election reform is moot- No wonder.

[Political Heretic]

126. How long is it going to take before you accept that leadership doesn't WANT a PO

and does't give a fuck how many votes they have for it?

You hear rationalization after rationalization, and the house and senate leaders can even get their stories straight on why a PO cannot be voted.

Getting 40+ Senators to agree that they would vote for PO if it came up in reconciliation is easy, since none of them had to be on the hook to be the one making sure the provision got introduced as part of the reconciliation process...

One again, our leaders are delivering the illusion of change, and the illusion of being about the people's business all while carefully carrying out the interests of their financial backers.

[deutsey]

127. For God's sake, it was NEVER alive. n/t

[icee]

130. I googled this from a right-wing website. Does anyone know if

this is correct or not? Can this be done?

http://www.rightsidenews.com/201003139029/editorial/the-slaughter-solution-to-passing-obamacare-through-the-us-house.html

[harmonicon]

132. it's not in there not for "lack of votes", but because the people in power don't want it in there.

[Javaman]

133. Then that means Obama won't sign the bill, right? RIGHT?

sigh. I'm really tired of all this retarded kabuki theater of the insane.

I would like to introduce you all to the downtown express bus.

[GinaMaria]

137. What a surprise

:sarcasm: This is how most suspected it would play out. Nancy faces the progressives and lies, telling them "We tried, we really tried. I really want this too but we just can't have it. Progressives will just have to vote on it." It's a song and dance and they've been doing this for years. It's a scam and a lie. Nancy can shove it. Nice try at saving Durbin's sorry ass, but it won't work. His constituents know what's up.

[deaniac21]

139. The insurance company fix is in.

[TankLV]

140. Obama and the DINOS in congress were LYING all along - what a SHOCK!

And queue the obama cheerleaders in 3,2,1 to spew bullshit again...