Which is the biggest Bait & Switch of the millenium: "WMD in Iraq" or the "Public Option"?

[Faryn Balyncd]

(Just wondering)

[cliffordu]

1. Your take on the Public Option.

[lwcon]

27. So, then, what is "the public option"?

How many people would it cover under what terms?

Oh, you can't answer that, because it's been whittled down from over 100 million Americans to some undefined number under 10 million. But let's keep praying to it, 'cause it's the One True Health Reform Agenda (other than passing whatever crap that doesn't even have it, because that's what thinking people do).

[cliffordu]

38. Reading tea leves instead of the actual document, are we?

Your hysterical predictions are at least amusing, your summation of the "facts" not so much.

Good luck with that.

[lwcon]

40. You want us to love "the public option"

How many people would it cover? Or are we supposed to love it without knowing such basic info?

[cliffordu]

43. I don't want you to love anything.

Just stop spreading hysterical bullshit - which is all your post amounts to.

Seems to me you know less about what's in the bill than almost everyone.

:shrug:

[Jim Sagle]

2. 'Hope and Change.'

[midnight]

3. +10

[BigBearJohn]

21. AMEN

[salguine]

22. + infinity

[Dyedinthewoolliberal]

4. No contest

WMD's. Public Option isn't even on the radar. I have not said anything during all this debate here on DU, but according to what I remember from my civics/gov't classes in school, Congress makes the laws, the President enforces them.
He (Obama) has asked them (Congress) to do something about this issue. I don't feel we've been deceived by Obama on this particular item. Is that what you're saying? :shrug:

[Faryn Balyncd]

6. When 51 Senators say they'll vote for the P/Op in reconciliation the same day Nancy says it's dead

......the scam is apparent. (though I won't argue against your choice of WMD's)

[Oregone]

7. WMDs...because, well, that war killed people

But you are looking at the PO a bit one-dimensionally, as if it ONLY came from Obama. The Congress & liberal PACs were dangling that ambiguous carrot (piling onto media shows to push it) to raise money and get people on the bandwagon pretty early for this reform. It wasn't just from the Whitehouse.

[metapunditedgy]

15. If Obama could do so little, then he shouldn't have campaigned on HCR.

Fact is, he has a lot of power to push for the public option, especially given that Americans want it.

He has just chosen not to.

(Iraq War is probably worse, although WMDs in itself was just a small component of that.)

[stillwaiting]

33. Of course Obama has a lot of power to influence congressional legislation. And he has.

He was very successful, very quickly might I add, at killing drug re-importation. Just when it seemed like Congress was able, and willing, to do something to the benefit of most Americans, Obama (et al) stepped in and forcefully squashed it.

He has the team to twist arms effectively to get what he wants, and he HAS the bill that he wants right now.

It's become a big joke to so many over the past year for a very good reason.

It'll be interesting to see what options, if any, those of us who have lost faith in the "Party" and its leadership will have in the near future.

[Faryn Balyncd]

36. He certainly had the power to force the Senate to bow to Lieberman & DROP the Medicare Buy In.....

....didn't he?


Funny how he's only used his power to force Congress to do the opposite of what he says he supports.

[Dyedinthewoolliberal]

39. Much of the power

a President has comes from being in the Senate. Obama wasn't there long enough to have any real juice....

[metapunditedgy]

44. Most Americans want real HCR. Obama is a great speaker. If he had publicly pushed serious HCR

nothing in the world could have stopped it. Or at least the Republicans/lobbyists would have had to burn a lot more credit to hold him back.

[gimama]

5. wmd

pls ck/share this link for accountability:

www.indiegogo.com/bush

& support or join PEACE activists on March 20th, hell's anniversary
www.march20.org
www.answercoalition.org
www.PEACEoftheaction.org

O, & thanks for asking!

[flvegan]

8. Well, we knew they were lying about WMDs. We only suspected and expected it

about the public option.

There was some hope for the latter. Shot down in flames.

[Kaleva]

9. Shouldn't we wait another 90 years before choosing?

[MadBadger]

10. You mean 990

[Kaleva]

11. LOL!

[provis99]

12. of the Millenium? Columbus landing in the Americas.

"We'll be here just long enough to restock the ship, really fellas..."

[scarletwoman]

13. I see someone above already answered with my first thought, "Hope & Change".

So I'll just go with "Change you can believe in."

[Lydia Leftcoast]

14. I feel as if everything that has happened in politics since 1968 has been

one extended bait-and-switch.

[leftstreet]

16. 'The British are Coming!' n/t

[scarletwoman]

17. A millenium is a thousand years -- maybe you ought to include the Crusades & witch burning?

Or how about bogus cures for the Black Plague? Or Columbus attempting to reach India by sailing west?

Might be more useful to narrow the timeframe down to a few decades, or a century at the most.

On the other hand, there have always been people in power who say, "trust us" -- and smart peasants know that's when you hang on to your milk cow.

sw

[xchrom]

18. The public option in specific and 'healthcare' in general.

Where bush could not pull the wool
over many progressives, liberals, and democrats--
the leadership sold us -- and too many of us bought it.

[Mira]

19. You are doing some fine thinking there. And when you figure it out

send me a PM.
I. Am. So. Disgusted

[global1]

20. WMD's In Iraq : Bush :: Public Option : Obama........nt

[upi402]

23. Well; Iraq was based on a shell game deception

And the insurance company conscription bill...

[LastLiberal in PalmSprings]

24. Which one will result in the most deaths?

That would be my choice.

[Political Heretic]

25. Between the two, WMDs. However neither are the biggest bait and switch of the century

The biggest bait and switch of the century was the neo-classical economics snake oil that said the more unrestricted markets the better of everyone is, all while taking massive government subsidies and tax payer money.

[sendero]

34. Ding ding ding..

.... the winner.

[blue neen]

26. Fox "News".

Just wondering what your choice is.

[Faryn Balyncd]

35. 1+

The wholesale recasting of corporatist propaganda as "news" is near the root of the problem.




:hi:

[blindpig]

41. Just one tactic among many.

The capitalist economic system is at the root.

[ima_sinnic]

28. public option, because "WMD in Iraq" was such a transparent LIE

but well-meaning, thinking people were actually conned by glib speeches by an eloquent speech-maker. they actually believed Obama when he said he wanted a public option, whereas everybody knew GWB was lying through his teeth about WMDs in Iraq.
But because of the huge lie about "not signing a bill without a public option," nothing else Obama says from now on has any credibility whatsoever.

[baldguy]

29. Hard work = Financial success

And the corollary: If you're not successful, then you're not working hard enough.

[blue neen]

30. Posters who advertise themselves as being fair and balanced,

but consistently only post one-sided (negative) threads.

[blue neen]

31. How about "trickle down economics"? Turned out it was "trickle up"

and is part of the cause of today's recession.

[lame54]

32. the new cast of Scrubs

[Mari333]

37. both murder many.

[ecstatic]

42. "Public option" was one health care plan that a few lawmakers liked

Ultimately it failed due to lack of support. How in the world is that comparable to WMD in Iraq?