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[Fresh_Start]

frustration led me astray

[Ozymanithrax]

1. No,

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2. you are right

but when the public perception changes rather than just some of us....I believe that the hold will be loosened

[Ozymanithrax]

3. You are talking abot religion. We have heard about pedophile priesets for more than 20 years...

I don't think the perception is going to change anytime soon.

[Fresh_Start]

4. its changing right now

in europe (specifically ireland and germany).

The church is losing statute and respect.
When italy starts screaming, it will be all over.

[JHB]

5. No, you'll just come off as an anti-Catholic bigot

Better to appeal to lay Catholics to send their heirarchy a message by withholding donations. When they pass the baskets, drop in a note instead of money.

"If you're going to preach at my Congress, I'm going to vote in your basket"

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6. I'm not anti-catholic

since I am one.

I'm anti-church stranglehold on politics
I'm anti-anyone who covers up child abuse
Sadly it appears that the church hierarchy is up to their pope in hiding child abuse.

[JHB]

7. I didn't say you were anti-Catholic, I said you'd come off as one...

...so pick your targets and shape your arguments so that you don't have people who agree with you rallying behind the bishops instead, just because you included them in a broad-brush denouncement.

Ask "Why is healing the sick being held hostage to this one issue?"

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8. that won't work

because the people who are holding it hostage

care more about the innocent unborn
then they care about healing the sick