How overwhelmingly pernicious

[Stinky The Clown]

We're debating, lamenting, lambasting the "public option" to buy insurance that may or may not be any better for any given person than the nothing they have now.

This term of art didn't even *exist* a year or so ago. Now it has become the holy grail and the late lamented.

Universal Single Payer Health *CARE* is the holy grail. Nobody even mentions that any more. How incredibly had we've been. Had. Punked. Pwned.

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[BeatleBoot]

3. Is pernicious the root word for

persnickety?



Inquiring minds want to know....

[troubledamerican]

14. Is "banal" the root word for

BeatleBoot?

[BeatleBoot]

15. Nope.

Dumbass.

[vixengrl]

4. It would have been ideal if they started the debate with that--

Universal single payer health care--

And when the complaints from the right came in, they would have the greatest answer:

"Everyone covered, everytime, by one method, in a simple way."



Simple sells. It's easy to understand. It cuts out the middleman and all the middleman expenses, which is easy to explain. Who likes getting the big packet from their employer and having to figure out whether to shift plans--if it's stupid, or if one really ought to get more coverage? Our current system is the confusing one, with too many moving pieces.

If they started that way, and still managed to work in some of the cost management provisions, winding up with--"and by the way, we save everyone a ton of money--"

I don't see how they could fail to get a solid majority.

[Doremus]

5. Yup. When this began we were all bitching about the bait and switch to PO.

Now it's a must-have.

:crazy:

[HughMoran]

6. I guess that's what happens when something is declared "off the table"

Everyone here wants it.

[Stinky The Clown]

7. I wish I knew people in high places who could help me clean up my fuckups

Like some people obviously can when their clock gets cleaned.

[gleaner]

8. We have been had ....

Grayson's proposal for Medicare for all is the closest that anyone has come to it. I could live with that, but it is hard to live with what they are trying to shove down our throats.

How hard would it have been way back in the mists of time last year to do single payer? That was one of the main things the mandate Obama was given turned on. No consultation with the Republicans whom he knew wanted nothing done. He didn't need them; people no longer wanted them.

First a provision providing health care should have been written and voted upon. If any of the other bells and whistles that were supposed to "reform" the health care industry had been introduced they should have been introduced one by one as single issue bills very rapidly one after the other to divide the opposition as much as possible and try toget as many passed as could be passed before falling back on reconciliation which has always been there.

Yes we have been had. And in the end it will literally kill a lot of us. Our health care system and our financial institutions are broken. They need repair while we still have an economy and a population other than the rich left.

[Faryn Balyncd]

9. K&R - - After supporting the nebulous "Public Option" for 2 years, I have come to believe it is ...

...a mirage, an intentionally vague, craftily constructed neologism, whose chief political effect (whether intended or not) has been to distract and deceive the faithful with the phantom of hope.




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[Stinky The Clown]

10. Well stated

:hi:

[scarletwoman]

11. "Mendacity!"

Didn't you notice the powerful and obnoxious odor of mendacity in this room (Congress)?

[Kablooie]

12. The public options submitted were pitifully inadequate anyway.

It's better to get something, anything, passed now so the health care debate remains in play.
Then the fight for something better can continue.

If the bill fails now the whole health care issue dies and and the opportunity to fight for any kind of public plan dies with it.

[Fumesucker]

13. It's a very old scam, I'm sure Phoenician traders were using it against the Pyramid builders..

It's called "bait and switch"..

[leeroysphitz]

16. with a little bit of the old "rope-a-dope" thrown in along the way just to keep it interesting. n/t