The reasons I support Dennis Kucinich is because with him, you know what`you get.

[mmonk]

He does not give the voter a head fake. He does not say one thing and do another with little or no explanation. He does not pretend or compromise for votes. Finally, I agree with his positions over 95% of the time. If you combine those things together, then what's not to like from my perspective? I cannot find an argument against him that is worth considering when those things become sum total. I suspect it is the same thing with others that support him or stand with him. Therefore, all the attacks, whether here, or DKos, or on the television, or by other Democrats or organizations within the Democratic Party will, most likely, be unsuccessful and probably counterproductive to their purpose and eventually counterproductive to unity. So let him stand on principle and try another route, strategy or argument if you want our support.


Thanks for reading.

[mdmc]

1. Thanks for posting monk

I enjoyed reading..

[bigtree]

2. but, but

. . . they've got graphs and stuff!

[ProSense]

3. When Kucinich promised to push for a floor vote on single payer, did you believe him?

When he decided against it because it didn't have the votes, was that because he previously lied? .

Did you know he was going to pull out at the last minute?

[berni_mccoy]

5. Ouch. Once again, the facts slap painfully hard.

[sabrina 1]

30. Facts? From a commenter who has lied about Rep. Grayson

linking to a memo and claiming it is the words of Rep. Grayson? :rofl:

I've asked him about it several times, but he keeps running away ~ hilarious!

[Donnachaidh]

7. when Obama campaigned on Universal health care -- did YOU believe him?

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2007-01-25-obama-health_x.htm

Obama calls for universal health care

"The time has come for universal health care in America," Obama said at a conference of Families USA, a health care advocacy group.

who's lying?

[ProSense]

10. Yes, and

he has delivered univeral health care. I also believe that he wanted a public option, and accept that he doesn't have the votes.

Did Kucinich lie?

[Raineyb]

38. No he hasn't. THAT is a lie. n/t

[slipslidingaway]

12. Please provide links ...

"When Kucinich promised to push for a floor vote on single payer, did you believe him?"

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[Donnachaidh]

4. he doesn't utilize bumpersticker catch phrases that are tossed as soon as the election is won.

The *real* deal -- what a concept!

[berni_mccoy]

6. No, he just changes his stance from Anti-Abortion to Pro-Choice before he runs for President.

[Donnachaidh]

8. he lies about universal health care --

see above post.

[slipslidingaway]

16. Obama said he would not go to DC and make deals with lobbyists...

"Enough is Enough" he said in Newport News, Va. just a few months before he made deals and compromised his written HC plan.

[mmonk]

18. I, at one time, supported abortion only to protect the health of the mother

or in the cases of incest, rape, etc. I changed my position honestly after years of deliberation. It is impractical to outlaw it and disrespectful to women. Can one honestly change in their position on the issue? Yes.

[Echo In Light]

9. Well put, Monk

k/r

[G_j]

11. he takes zero corporate $$

he is completely committed to real peace. He recognizes the MIC for the scam it is. He recognizes the "war on drugs" for the scam it is.
He grills insurance CEOs and banksters and calls them out.
IMHO, he is one of the very best we have.

[slipslidingaway]

13. knr nt

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[AnOhioan]

15. It does seem that way, doesn't it?

[salguine]

17. The vitriol unleashed against him hereon DU comes from thick-headed people who STILL can't

grasp the fact that having health insurance isn't even remotely close to having health care.

[Individualist]

19. K&R, What you see is what you get.

:thumbsup:

[MuseRider]

20. Well said.

That is exactly it with me. I do not always agree with him, I would guess like you about 95% of the time I do and when I don't I get really upset with him but...oh well. I know if he says it he can back it up with at least a good rational even if I don't agree with it. His mind changes over time with serious thought, not on a whim and always with explanation.

People used to BMW all the time here about politicians who would turn on a dime and vote the way they said they never would. Now it is not so much a problem, the problem now seems to be with those who do what they say and are reliable to do what they have said they would. I do know with DK that if he changes his mind it will be explained, not just brushed off.

I really don't care what all the other people say here. It sometimes pisses me off, especially when it is an attack without substance or reason other than he is not a team player, but mostly I find it amusing to see how little conviction people have when "their side" seems to have little conviction. I can't understand how people defend that.

*** The Abortion Problem

He is Catholic, I believe his district is mostly Catholic (I really do not know this for certain so you can get me there if you so desire). He started changing his votes around 2 years before he ran for President. I never saw anything about his desire to run before he was drafted after his Prayer For America speech. DK is a politician, even if he was planning on running at least he did change his vote but it was not on a whim and not done without explanation. He is not a God nor is he a hero but a simple man who is also a politician. Stop trying to bludgeon him for doing things that are routinely done now by "your guy" whoever that is, without explanation after we the people were used and promised things only for the purpose of them getting into office. Jesus, if you all can't see how transparently dense and disingenuous that is then you do have a problem.

Not bought, not paid for. No strings attached. Just representing his constituency well enough to keep getting elected.

Good post mmonk. Now let the Ignored responses begin ;-).

Edit: It was more closely to a year before running that he changed his vote to Pro Choice.

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[berni_mccoy]

22. But it's ok when Dennis does it. Because he's Dennis.

[MuseRider]

23. Would have been nice

if Obama had held with his promises, sorry I can't say convictions, and did a little leadership to get it done.

This does not work and you know it. K is a Congressman, his influence is a far cry from President and Vice President. Especially those that have twisted the law to their favor and belong in jail cells......oh wait. We were supposed to move on and forget all of that. Maybe are not supposed to know that those policies are still in effect and that they have not been changed but enhanced in some cases.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

24. DK says he wants HCR, but he's voting against it.

DK's a big phony.

[kath]

26. No, he wants health CARE reform, not a bailout for the fucking parasitic health insurance companies.

[jtrockville]

31. Absolutely. He isn't fooled by this charade, and neither am I.

Dennis speaks for me on this issue, and so many other issues.

[Ozymanithrax]

25. And that is absolutely nothing...

[Ardent15]

27. Principle over party. nt

[Edweird]

28. +1

[LWolf]

32. Agreed. nt

[Unvanguard]

33. What, impracticality and failure? n/t

[mmonk]

34. One time, it was considered impractical for women to vote,

to abolish slavery, to abolish separate but equal, for a person of color's vote to equal a full vote. Wouldn't practically be in the eye of the beholder? In many cases today, people are paid to remain impractical such as financial regulation or addressing global warming.

[Unvanguard]

36. And throughout much of history, all of those things were impractical.

That changed.

I have no problem with working to change culture and political consciousness so that much of what is now impractical will one day be otherwise. What I have a problem with is being blind to the impracticality of certain proposals, such that good and meaningful progress is help up because it is not as ideal as some alternative and unrealistic solution.

[DisgustedInMN]

35. Exactly! n/t

[slipslidingaway]

37. Agreed! n/t