Unintended Acceleration incidents by make and model for 2005-2010

[Fumesucker]

Lexus ES 350 is number one, no surprise there but Lincoln Town Car is number 2 and Volvo S40 number 3

http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/nhtsa-data-dive-3-117-models-ranked-by-rate-of-ua-incidents/



Edited to add model designation..

And some more of the chart.. Note that Prius doesn't show up til number 26.

[Romulox]

1. Jesus! Aren't 3 or 4 threads from you on this subject enough?

[Fumesucker]

2. This is my second..

I'm interested in cars and know quite a bit about them..

Or maybe I could start another Kucinich thread?

[Romulox]

10. Second TODAY, you must surely mean.

:hi:

[Fumesucker]

17. And some people have half a dozen Kucinich threads today apparently..

Like I said, I like cars and it's something I know more than average about..

I think the psychology of all this is interesting too.

[KittyWampus]

3. I am glad to see this information presented in such easy to grasp form. Why does it bother you?

I find it highly relevant that Lincoln and Volvo are also experiencing the same issues but the Media seems to ignore it.

And this is the ONLY thread Fumesucker posted with this chart.

[Romulox]

7. No surprise. Both you and the OP have gone out of your way to defend Toyota.

[Fumesucker]

14. I'm not defending Toyota..

But you have admitted many times to having a bias against all foreign car manufacturers.

[Forkboy]

33. I haven't. Tell ME what bothers you about this info being presented.

[NoGOPZone]

19. Alert, ignore thread, ignore user.

DU's adminstrators have generously given us many tools for dealing with that which we don't want to see.

[DemoTex]

4. The Rumor & Innuendo crowd won't let this stand.

Mark my word. But thanks for posting it!

:popcorn:

[OneTenthofOnePercent]

5. I had a lincoln Town Car that would buck occasionally.

The throtle would jump and the car would accelerate. Even at stop lights and especially in parking lots.
Despite having a massive 5.0L engine, it was nothing the brakes couldn't handle. :)
No big deal. After a short while the problem subsided.

[frazzled]

18. I drove one once

My husband had to rent a Town Car because of a "notable" guest he had brought in for a public event. For some reason I can't remember, he asked me to drive it (was it back to the rental place?). My. God. I couldn't wait to get out of it. When I stepped on the brake it sped up; when I stepped on the accelerator it wasn't clear what it was doing. It was the least responsive car I had ever driven.

[flvegan]

6. #1, #9 and #20 are the same platform.

No surprise there. Interesting information though, thanks for posting!

[Fumesucker]

9. Strange that there would be such a large disparity on the same platform.. n/t

[OneTenthofOnePercent]

11. #2, #5, and #12 are too... BFD. ?? (n/t)

[flvegan]

16. I was making a point...FO.

[spoony]

8. So that's where you got that dumb jacket story, too.

Why don't you just repost the whole site.

[Fumesucker]

12. Or I could start another Kucinich thread..

That would be original, eh?

[elocs]

13. What's the deal? This is DU. I thought we were supposed to trash Toyota

as the evil car maker? :shrug: Didn't you get the memo? Here you are confusing us with unwanted fact. Ashamed you should be.

[spoony]

15. Do yourself a favour: read this

So you don't look like a fool next time

http://www.nlcnet.org/reports?id=0007

[elocs]

26. Hey, I'm a DUer. I don't have to read things to form an opinion,

so save it. :bounce:

[lutefisk]

22. Some could be saying Fumesucker may be getting paid by Consumer Reports and Toyota...

...to post this made-up, anti-American nonsense.

No doubt, Fumesucker's co-conspirators will be pleased, if Fumesucker has the co-conspirators one might imagine could exist.

:sarcasm:

[Fumesucker]

23. I'll be happy to accept contributions..

:evilgrin:

[A-Long-Little-Doggie]

20. Great post.

Thanks for posting it.

[TexasObserver]

27. 474 unintended acceleration incidents for Toyota v. 13 for Nissan.

Toyota's getting a raw deal! They can't help it if twice a week for five years someone in America reported to Toyota their vehicle accelerated without the driver intending it. They can't help if it only one Nissan owner every six months reported the same problem.

So much for that whole anti-Japan meme, eh?

[gristy]

28. You need to compare rates, not total compaints

[TexasObserver]

30. No, you need to compare total complaints. That's what matters.

Toyota vehicles experienced 474 total complaints about unintended acceleration over a period of less than five years, while Nissan had only 13 reported that entire time.

It means Toyota has a big problem and Nissan doesn't. Maybe Toyota should admit that Nissan makes a better car, and figure out why Nissan's accelerators don't do that.

[A-Long-Little-Doggie]

34. Ford had 296 unintended acceleration incidents

or 1.14 per week every week for 5 years. Have we heard ANYTHING about this huge safety issue regarding Ford vehicles? And Toyota/Lexus has 500,000 more cars sold on this list.

I don't understand your Nissan comment. I think the point of this OP is to show how lots of cars built by other manufacturers also had UA issues. Nissan was not one of them.

FYI, my 10 year old Lexus is not on this list. I am not sure if Mr. Doggie's Camry Hybrid is included in the overall Camry numbers. Neither vehicle has had even a hint of this problem. My Lexus is the best vehicle I have ever bought. And just to show you how even-minded I am, I will tell you that the second best was my Ford Econoline conversion van.

[TexasObserver]

37. The list is only for model years 2005-2010, and only through Sept 2009..

Nissan owners reported 13 incidents, or one every six months, over five years, while Toyota reported 474 incidents in the same time, one every 3-4 days. They are both Japanese car companies making cars that compete with each other and American manufacturers up and down the product line.

We can infer several things.

1. Whatever the problem is, it is one that Toyota has and Nissan doesn't. This tells us it is a design flaw.

2. That the problem is reported twice a week to Toyota and for many models means it is a design flaw of something common to all vehicles.

3. That the problem isn't any anti Japan sentiment, as some here have alleged.

It goes without saying that most Toyotas do not have this problem, so testimonials by loving owners are really pointless.

[Initech]

21. Nice, my car didn't even make the top 50.

[Jane Austin]

24. Thanks for the chart.

Very interesting.

[TexasObserver]

25. According to that chart almost 500 incidents with Toyota vehicles.

Twice a week, on average, for five years (2005-2009), a Toyota vehicle in America was the subject of a reported complaint to Toyota of unintended acceleration. This doesn't count all the events that went unreported.

It's kind of silly to suggest that the reports being heard now are the result of the news coverage of Toyota's problem. The media coverage certainly didn't affect those 500 incidents reported 2005-2009, did it?

Because the manufacturer with the biggest problem in terms of numbers is Toyota, it isn't surprising that they get the most attention. Add to that the lawsuit by their former attorney alleging that Toyota is corrupt and has consistently hidden evidence and lied in court proceedings about their defects and knowledge of their defects.

[gristy]

29. You've repeated your error

You need to compare rates, not total complaints

[TexasObserver]

31. No, I understand that the volume of Toyota's incidents far outnumber all others.

You are missing the point.

Toyota = 474 incidents of unintended acceleration reported
Nissan = 13 incidents of unintended acceleration reported

Try some of that Toyota Kool Aid to wash down the crow you're eating.

[gristy]

32. So you think controlling for number of cars sold is not valid? As the table in the OP did?

Please explain why this is. Your answer may indicate if you even understand this concept.

[TexasObserver]

35. 474 Toyotas v. 13 Nissans. Two a week v. two a year.

Toyota makes dangerous cars.

Their vehicles suffered unintended acceleration reports nearly 40 times as often as Nissan, their competitor.

You can try to sell that difference any way you want, but no rational person is going to buy it.

[PBS Poll-435]

44. I wish you could add.

:cry:

I count 21 Nissan/Infiniti incidents. And Toyota/Lexus/Scion sells a hell of a lot more cars than Nissan.




Please go take a Stat class. Community College here in the DFW area is $39/credit hour!

[A-Long-Little-Doggie]

36. Statistics - yur doing it wrong.

See my previous post on how to do it right.

[TexasObserver]

38. No, you don't understand. You're trying to justify your allegiance to your brand.

The numbers are clear.

You can argue them as you wish, but the statistics establish that Toyota has a major problem with unintended acceleration and it is a design flaw.

I have not addressed any manufacturers beside Toyota and Nissan, because the comparison of those two is most valid. Two Japanese cars that compete head to head with a similar line of vehicles.

One is great - Nissan. One is terrible and is killing consumers - Toyota.

[gristy]

39. You use the word, but it is clear you do not know how to calculate or apply them

Statistics

[TexasObserver]

40. Now you're just making personal attacks that are not true.

I understand statistics very well, but I also understand that I can use the stats any way I want to, as long as I accurately state the source for my conclusions.

What you want is a comparison of rates of incidents per vehicle. For example, the Lexus ES 350's rate of reported unintended acceleration per car sold in America is 11.86 times that of the Nissan Quest. That means the Lexus ES 350 is likely to have the problem reported almost 12 times as often as is a Nissan Quest, per unit sold between 2005 and two thirds of the way through 2009.

Happy now? Did I use the stats in a way YOU can understand?

[A-Long-Little-Doggie]

41. You still need to account for the relative number of cars sold.

This I do understand.

[SidDithers]

42. K&R...

Facts are good.

Sid

[Omaha Steve]

43. The ONLY Chevy I see on tye list....

Was made in China! #21 Aveo.

Glad I have a Cobalt.

[Fumesucker]

46. I didn't post the entire list...

But the American designed GM cars are far down the list..

I think the bottom one is the Chevy Silverado..

[spanone]

45. 32 incidents for prius......and i was told there were none...

so the guy with the prius might be telling the truth, eh?

[PBS Poll-435]

47. By who?

:cry:

[spanone]

48. so the guy with the prius might be telling the truth. 33 ? don't cry for me, baby

[PBS Poll-435]

49. Out of 600K sold and on the road?

:rofl:

No...guy with the Prius is a fucking scammer/liar.




:cry:

Also...



Statistically insignificant.

[spanone]

50. read again. it's 32 incidents per each 100k vehicles so it's more like 180 incidents my friend

not statistically meaningless

[PBS Poll-435]

52. Learn to read charts!

32 TOTAL UA Complaints.


Remember Algebra?

X = Number of Complaints per 100K Vehicles Sold



32/621,262=X/100,000

=5.1508059401669504975356612830014 Complaints per 100,000 Prius vehicles sold.



:eyes:

[PBS Poll-435]

54. What...No smartass reply?

:yoiks:

[PBS Poll-435]

56. Still no smartass reply?

:cry:

[PBS Poll-435]

57. I am deeply saddened by your lack of smartass response.

:cry::cry::cry::cry::cry:

[PBS Poll-435]

59. My Friend...

Yikes. I really wish you had made a smartass response.


:eyes:


Or, at the very least, an explanation. :(

[spanone]

51. what no smartass reply?

[PBS Poll-435]

53. Just did

Didn't see that you had responded...

:-)

[xultar]

55. +1

[Omaha Steve]

58. W Post: Data: Toyota drivers experience more runaway acceleration than owners

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/economy-watch/2010/03/data_toyota_drivers_experience.html

Speaking about Toyota on MSNBC last Saturday, I said that I was going to spend at least part of this week looking into complaints about runaway acceleration in non-Toyota vehicles, to see whether Toyota's problems were atypical.

Well, auto-research site Edmunds.com beat me to it.

Writing in an op-ed in today's Post, which you can read by clicking here, Edmunds.com chief executive Jeremy Anwyl describes his staff's one-by-one investigation of the more than 52,000 complaints filed at the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration since 2005.

The NHTSA site, Safercar.gov, is where drivers can file complaints about their vehicles and search complaints filed by others.

Anwyl writes:

"The database, with more than 760,000 records, is, simply put, a mess. After reading each complaint since model-year 2005, we found that 30 percent of the original complaints were miscategorized; more than 26 percent were duplicates; and hundreds were not complaints but merely comments or suggestions."

Sorting through the mess, Anwyl's team found something interesting: Toyota drivers registered more complaints about unintended acceleration than drivers of any of the six other major brands. Only Ford comes close.

According to the NHTSA complaints, Toyota drivers experienced 4.81 instances of runaway acceleration per 100,000 vehicles sold. With Ford, the number was 3.12 per 100,000. And it went down from there. GM owners filed only 0.81 complaints per 100,000 vehicles sold.

What does this tell us? The NHTSA complaints aren't scientific. Drivers don't know how to diagnose problems. But if we generally accept that they are honest reports of experiences, then the Toyota numbers might be telling.




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By Frank Ahrens | March 16, 2010; 11:49 AM ET