One opinion shared by HRC backers and Republicans

[eridani]

Namely, it doesn't matter jackshit what is actually in the bill. Neither cares in the slightest. Supporters insist that something must pass, no matter how bad. Republicans wouldn't want it to pass even if it required the entire adult population to write big checks to their campaign donors under pain of being thrown into a concentration camp, just because Obama is for it.

That's why it's seeming more and more pointless to discuss actual policy here, as the only relevant matter seems to be what Household Names are for it or against it as of two hours ago.

[Tunkamerica]

1. hrc=hillary rodham clinton?

[EFerrari]

2. I'm have the defamiliarizing experience of listening to people who seem to believe

that between them, the insurance industry and the feds are going to take are of people who need medical care. An industry that has been killing people off as a matter of policy and a government that never stops campaigning. Okay.

[KharmaTrain]

3. And The Government Would Work Better???

My real concern with single payer is you're trading one gatekeeper for another...instead of some actuary in a corporate office calling the shots, it'll be a pencil pusher in some government office where you're just another case number. Either/or I'm hoping for something in the middle. The insurance companies don't "kill people off"...they ignore those in need...this bill forces them to start to force them to care for them. Yes, the healthy pay for the neediest and it's those greedy insurance companies that handle it, but with a lot more scrutiny and with a bill in place a platform to go back regularly to ammend.

I don't trust insurance companies...I've had my share of experiences with them...but I don't totally trust the government either...especially if the rushpublicans make a comeback and attempt to create a kleptocracy again. That's why I favor competition between the two...and I see a public option evolving as time goes by.

It seems if this bill was so awful why are the rushpublicans and the lobbyists going to "code red" and spending so much energy and money to defeat it. Instincts always say when these bastards are screaming, it must be a good thing.

[EFerrari]

5. You have a good point about the government.

On the other hand, they are more directly accountable than the insurance industry. After decades of making their living denying care, the industry is not going to turn around and become a facilitator of care. It's not going to happen.

And, I don't think that we can measure this by the Repugnants. They have to be against anything Obama wants. That's what they do.

[KharmaTrain]

6. True About The GOOPers

But if this bill was so loaded with perks for the insurance companies, the opposition would have died down a long time ago...they're poured millions into this effort, I'd imagine by now they'd rather be spending it on new yachts and facelifts.

The industry will be forced to be a facilitator due to all the new policies, those dreaded mandates, that will mean they have to provide coverage to everyone who applies. I know it sucks to have to be reliant on the existing system to provide the care (I fume about writing the premium checks as much as anyone) but under the new bill, they have to provide care or face litigation (they've lost their anti-trust)...anyone trying to screw a beneficiary will face a lot more scrutiny than they do now.

The problem right now is we have gatekeepers not facilitators...that's another reason the insurance lobby is pumping $1 million a day into teevee spots to try to confuse and distort...again, if the bill was so lucrative, you'd think they'd be pushing this puppy along.

What we need to do is remain vigilant...not to think this is a do-all, end-all bill...but to push for revisions and to elect those who will move us toward a public system.

[cali]

4. and you, dearie are just a walking encyclopedia of what's in the legislation, right?

:rofl:

[eridani]

7. As a matter of fact, I am n/t