I Call for A Truce On Kucinich Posts

[berni_mccoy]

In the end Kucinich did the honorable thing. He admitted that the greater good was voting for the bill. I applaud him for this. We can stop arguing about it or coming up with justifications.

He, like many people here, myself included, wanted a better bill. He fought the hard fight and proudly carried the banner. In the end, there was no overcoming the reality that while the House had the votes for a Public Option, the Senate did not. In the end, even Rep. Kucinich admits, along with the entire Progressive Caucus of the Democratic Party, that the current HCR bill will bring much needed assistance to millions of Americans who do not have access to health care.

The HCR bill is good enough to pass. We don't need to argue about Kucinich's vote.

I realize it will take time for some of the wounds to heal around here, but the healing won't start until we stop arguing about the man who is Kucinich.

[rox63]

1. Hear, hear!

K&R!

[elocs]

2. Well, good luck with that. I wouldn't even give you odds though. n/t

[Raineyb]

3. In other words, you're applauding him for parroting your views in his press conference.

But you don't really actually respect anyone whose views differ from yours on this topic.

Not exactly truce language.

[Gold Metal Flake]

4. You agree, so you wanna stop posting now?

Nice.

[beardown]

15. A post to stop posting.

Reminds me of the bumper sticker stating Ban Bumper Stickers

Now that the mud dragging is over, let the healing begin.

Nice idea. A much better idea is not to do the mud dragging in the first place.

Sorry, no do overs or take backs or even the all powerful kings-x. More and more posters here are showing their hand to be more concerned with the tag of democratic party and not the progressive ideals that are supposed to go along with the democratic party.

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

62. You prefer that we continue to rub it in?

Because we can do that too, you know.

[beardown]

68. I wouldn't expect any less from the mud slingers.

Rub it in? Seeing another case of the democratic party's voters' enthusiastic rush to cave and accept a crumb from the powers that be and the further entrenchment of the "trickle down" system bothers me several times more than any rubbing it in coming from folks with the mind set that compels them to attack a guy whose fight for the public option threatened their latest crumb.

Save your energy and fighting spirit for the health insurance industry and large corporations. You're going to need it.

[Gold Metal Flake]

74. Who is "we"?

And why are you answering for the OP? Is there a coalition of some sort? Do you have a charter and member list? I would like to see them.

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[Gold Metal Flake]

76. Why would you dodge a simple question?

Why the hostility? You use the plural. You spoke of yourself as "we". I simply asked who "we" is. If there is no "we", if you are in fact only speaking for yourself, why try to create the impression of a multitude?

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[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

81. If you say so, champ. (nt)

[Lorien]

72. +1. The hypocrisy is thick.

[pecwae]

73. Mighty big of him, eh?

[bigtree]

5. he's always coming up with a relevant and substantive response to events

. . . and policy statements and developments.

I hope he'll get more consideration here, not less.

[grantcart]

19. I think the OP was referring only to posts rehashing his HCR

Any new thread seems likely to be motivated to rub salt into the wounds of DK supporters.

ATleast that is how I understood it.

[bigtree]

22. I agree with the sentiment

. . . of laying off of supporters of the congressman here.

[RaleighNCDUer]

39. funny, I took this thread to be the opposite -

as BEING the salt in the wound - Dennis conceded so STFU, lefties.

Particularly, considering the source.

[G_j]

6. better to spend energy pressuring for the PO "fix"

the battle is really just begun.

[Raineyb]

11. They're not going to fix anything. They got theirs. The rest of us can go to hell. n/t

[G_j]

17. I agree, however

I believe they need to hear it every day regardless, progressives are not going to roll over and STFU.

[G_j]

18. the DK hating brigade was quite active before

the HC issue, I don't think that will change.

[Echo In Light]

23. Count on it

[DrDan]

36. sure they are . . .

look at the congressman from Ohio

[RaleighNCDUer]

40. if you think there will be a 'fix', you are kidding yourself. nt

[G_j]

44. no I don't

but we can't let them forget it.

[mvd]

7. I still doubt the Senate doesn't have enough votes..

to get the PO through reconciliation. And if Obama put in the effort for the PO he is putting in now, we might have passed the House bill in the Senate earlier. Still, thank you for the effort at peace.

[Orrex]

8. I have attacked DK on many occasions, but I support him fully in this

Bravo to him for recognizing the stakes and stepping up to the plate.

[Fumesucker]

9. A little late for that..

I've been reading your Kucinich bashing for what seems now like forever.

You got what you wanted and *now* you want those of us who disagree to just shut the fuck up.

[Hell Hath No Fury]

16. Right there with YOU.

:mad:

[berni_mccoy]

21. If attacking his vote with facts is DK bashing, then I guess it was bashing

But you on the other hand have not held back on personal attacks on me, while I have consistently fought for HCR. I could care less about the person who is Dennis Kucinich, but when he takes an unreasonable stance against real reform, I, like the entire Progressive Caucus who supports it, have a real issue with his vote.

[Raineyb]

35. Except that's not what you did. n/t

[YOY]

24. Yes it was the whole "EXTREEEEME" "crazy loon" "alien seeing" Keerazy Dennis BS.

I'm not forgetting it.

[berni_mccoy]

26. Of which I never posted on.

[YOY]

27. Didn't say it was you.

But many of those who did are now acting as if they said nothing of the sort.

[berni_mccoy]

29. You were responding to someone who accused me of DK bashing

I don't consider attacking his position bashing, but some might. On the HCR debate, I kept to the facts of the issue regarding his vote. I can't control others who responded to my posts, but I made an attempt to refrain from that kind of stuff. It's been hashed over in the past at any rate.

[Fumesucker]

34. You were relentlessly negative about Kucinich..

And now you want everyone to forget it ever happened.

There is another group who wants everyone to forget the past.

[berni_mccoy]

57. I was, and am, relentlessly pro-HCR.

[LiberalLoner]

10. I agree n/t

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[zipplewrath]

13. If we don't agree, do we still have your permission to argue?

The HCR bill is good enough to pass. We don't need to argue about Kucinich's vote.

This of course is the REASON people are arguing about Kucinich's vote, because they don't agree that "the HCR bill is good enough to pass". Heck, we don't even agree that it is a health CARE reform bill at all.

And really, I can't speak for anyone else, but between this issue, and torture, and the banking bailouts, and Warren, and goodness knows how many other issues you want to list, I'm not looking to much for wounds to heal as wondering if there is a place for me in this party. You can label me as an extremist, but this is a 15 year old GOP bill, Obama said so himself. He ran on hope and change. He ran on no cadillac tax. He ran on shutting down Gitmo. He ran on a Public option. He ran on transparency. He ran on hope and change.

I'm about plumb out of hope and nothing is changing.

[blondeatlast]

14. Or we could just let adults discuss (and yes, flame) what they want to discuss.

:shrug:

[laughingliberal]

20. So, now that Dennis is doing what you want, we can put an end to the Dennis bashing?

Well, that's big of you.

[YOY]

25. +1

n/t

[Cal Carpenter]

28. You are a real piece of work

:rofl:

I'd say more but it'd probably get my post deleted.

[Individualist]

31. Understatement!

[Javaman]

59. No kidding.

it's funny how those who get their way suddenly want to rise above it all and move on.

[spoony]

69. +1

[Eyerish]

30. So you get what you want and now you want a truce??

Thats like having a Bully asking for a truce after they've beaten up the poor kid. And that's what you are....a bully.

If you and a few others hadn't attacked so hard maybe the wounds wouldn't have been so deep and "take time" to heal.

This bill is not going to be good for this country and when you finally realize that, you won't be able to blame Kucinich because he did the "honorable thing".

[Raineyb]

37. +1. Ain't that the damn truth.

They even went so far as to try to drop the deaths of people with no access to health care on his lap. But now they got their way and they want everyone to play nice? They've been bullying anyone who doesn't agree with them for over a year now. The next time they want to ram some corporate bullshit down our throats they will be back to the same old tricks.

[Bluenorthwest]

32. There's somthing on your face, I think it is egg

Blasting away at a politician for doing politics, did it feel good? It was very entertaining to me, all of your many, many threads of hyperbolic rantings against a vote that had yet to be cast.
Thanks for all the laughs. You were really funny through the whole thing. Still going to primary him in 2012? Guess not. Still prefer the Republican win in 10, like many here were saying? Because of a vote they imagined was going to be cast, they promoted a Republican victory. They were setting up tables against the Democrat and saying so on DU. It was a small group of posters, but the impression was deep. You imagined you knew the future, and because of that you slandered many posters, and a Democratic Congressperson. Gazing into a crystal ball does not always work out so well.
God how you trashed that man. Over and over and over again.

[laughingliberal]

41. Egg with a side order of hypocrisy. nt

[bigtree]

45. and the premise behind the posts was that he was somehow determined to work against our party

. . . which I think this action should put to rest.

Your point about the politics still in play as he voiced his objections is a good one. Nothing political occurs in a vacuum. It is precisely the type of pressure the congressman was exerting which compels politicians to make tough choices in our favor. I don't think we get any amount of significant progressive change without pressing our demands against the resistance of those who are quick to compromise for the sake of political expediency. That's our real enemy; political expediency. Fortunately, the congressman recognizes the process will continue after this vote and the issues and concerns he raised will still be relevant to the ultimate success of any meaningful reform. I think that point escapes the praise for the congressman's decision to support advancing this bill. The process continues and the issues he raised are still relevant and correct.

[DrDan]

33. had he come out the other way would you still be calling for a truce

why do I think not

[berni_mccoy]

38. On Kucinich, yes, on HCR, no, and I'm still fighting for HCR.

You can too, just follow this link and start calling: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2010/3/16/846760/-MAJOR-UPDATE:-WHIP-These-Democrats-Into-Supporting-The-Health-Bill!

[laughingliberal]

43. I'll be calling to state I still support a public option.

And calling and writing the White House that I heard the President say he would push for a public option after passage and I expect to see more than calling it a 'preference,' or a 'sliver.'

[berni_mccoy]

49. So you'll be telling your reps to vote No?

Since there is no PO in the current legislation (unless the Dems are somehow sneaking one in, which there are rumors), you're going to be telling your reps to vote No on it?

[laughingliberal]

63. My Rep is Republican so he will vote no, anyway

One of my Senators is Republican so he will be voting no. The other Senator is the leader of the Senate who tried every way he could to get some sort of public option in and was ordered by the White House to make the bill whatever Lieberman wanted. I write Harry regularly to let him know I appreciate his efforts and I expect him to keep trying to get a public option up to and including after passage of the bill, should it pass.

I will be calling and writing the White House regularly looking for that push for public option the President said he would make for it after the bill passes. I'm not holding my breath until I see that 'push.' I don't think he wanted a public option and I'm not convinced you did.

[DrDan]

50. thanks - I will be making a few calls this afternoon and expressing my opinions also

[Orsino]

42. "The bill" is still a work in progress.

Painting this as an admission by DK that he was wrong is childish, as is attempting to have the last word. What we know is that Kucinich has decided to do whatever remains to be done on a footing of support rather than opposition.

It's common as dirt in Congressional negotiations, and doesn't speak to his worth as a politician. I hope that the result is the best possible incarnation of a bill that we could join him in supporting.

[berni_mccoy]

46. Actually, it's not. The CBO is to return its report on the current modifications by the House

on the Senate bill today. After that, it's procedural. Pelosi has stated there will be no further (significant) modifications once the CBO report is done.

[bigtree]

48. oh yes it is still in play

. . . they are still working on issues like how to pay for it, as the CBO scores it.

[berni_mccoy]

54. Well, that is counter to every official statement made by those who are working to pass it

If you have evidence to their contrary, I'd sure appreciate a link.

[bigtree]

58. I just heard on MSNBC that as the CBO is scoring the bill

. . . legislators are working to close gaps in how to pay for it so that it remains deficit neutral. Who knows what those changes involve? That was the reason given for the delay in releasing the report. I'd be surprised to see it today from what they said. Who knows?

[laughingliberal]

64. Is it your position we now give up on trying to lobby for an improvement? nt

[berni_mccoy]

66. You ask this after you already responded to the call-for-action link I posted above. Pretty clear

where your intentions lie. To defeat HCR.

[laughingliberal]

67. My intention has always been to see HCR, probably long before most here knew what it meant

And I expect Democrats to keep pushing for real reform whether this bill passes or not. What I see from some elements here leads me to believe if the bill passes, we'll have a big party, decide it's done, and move on. And, yeah, I think you're of that group.

[bigtree]

71. and this

Health Bill Faces Delay as Democrats Tinker With Cost

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601103&sid=aRcKH7bvRV2c

[laughingliberal]

47. The bashing of those here who have still been trying to exert pressure for a better bill & public

option leads me to question if we have a whole lot of people on DU who really don't support a public option and why they don't support it.

[bigtree]

51. or folks who don't have an appreciation for how politics works

. . . only with constant and relentless pressure.

[laughingliberal]

61. I suspect some of both. But the most vitriolic I think has come from those who were opposed to a

public option.

[Individualist]

52. Hypocrite!

You've posted hundreds of anti-Kucinich posts, and now you want to call an end to Kucinich posts?

:spank:

[berni_mccoy]

56. I've posted many pro-HCR posts that question Kucinich's No votes

both on the PO and on the current bill. If that's what you call anti-Kucinich, then you really don't know the meaning of the word hypocrite.

[PVnRT]

53. lulz

[DainBramaged]

55. He wanted attention just like Stupak and the others

his ego is only outmatched by his incompetency.

[Javaman]

60. Very well said. nt

[watercolors]

65. How about just ending them, it annoying to givr him so

much hype, in my book he is useless!

[Ignis]

70. "Last tag, no tagbacks!"

:puke:

[Toasterlad]

77. So When He Does What You Want, You Stop Bashing Him.

You couldn't give two shits about "healing". You only care about getting what you want, which is whatever Obama wants.

[Romulox]

79. And I call for a script that automatically unrecs berni_mccoy posts.

Would save me a great deal of time!