Only 3% of Liberals Oppose Passing the Current HCR Bill

[berni_mccoy]

http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/health-care/poll-liberals-entirely-united-behind-passing-health-bill/

One of the more interesting health care subplots, as I’ve noted here, is the surprisingly high degree of consensus emerging on the left that passing the flawed Senate bill with a fix is best way forward — something which, earlier in the debate, seemed anything but assured.

The latest from Public Policy Polling illustrates this as dramatically as you could want:

Dennis Kucinich’s flip on the health care vote this morning is symbolic of a broader shift among liberals. Last month 73% said they supported the plan with 19% opposed. Now 89% say they support the plan with only 3% opposed. Whether it’s because of the President’s increasing visibility on the issue or because liberals finally decided the current bill is as good as they’re going to get and better than nothing, there’s been a big rise in support since early February.

The shift has come completely with Democratic voters. A month ago 39% of independents said they supported it, now 40% do. A month ago 10% of Republicans said the supported it, and that’s now actually down to 8%. But Democratic support has risen from 63% to 76% in the last month. Obama seems to have succeeded in better unifying the party around his goals.

Only three percent of liberals oppose passing the plan — down 16 points. That illustrates pretty clearly that those arguing that the bill shouldn’t be passed because it’s irrevocably flawed have lost the argument.

Also: It suggests that House Dems might be able to count on the base turning out in the midterms if they succeed in getting this thing done — another argument, perhaps, for passing it.

[Beetwasher]

1. They're Not REAL LIBERALS! Only Loudmouths On DU Get To Decide Who's A Real Liberal!

[LynneSin]

6. Damnit you are not liberal enough compared to me....

:hide:

(for those who don't know - just having fun).

[Beetwasher]

8. I'm The Biggest Asshole Loudmouth Here, Therefore, I Must Be The Most Liberal!

So there!

[LynneSin]

9. BUT I CAN TYPE MY REPLIES IN ALL CAPITAL LETTERS SO I MUST BE THE MOST LIBERAL

:eyes:

[Name removed]

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[krabigirl]

3. I guess I am one of the 3%. Sorry, don't like it and was 100% behind the public option.

[abelenkpe]

11. me too.

Still hoping a public option will happen somehow. That or medicare buy in for everyone. :(

[laughingliberal]

13. Me too. I suspect many liberals polled are not that informed about the bill. nt

[Raine]

35. Me too nt

[fascisthunter]

4. what "liberals"?

[Warpy]

5. You can't please evrerybody and I'm distinctly displeased by this bill

but I'm still in favor of passing it. Yes, it's a bad bill. Yes, we need to pressure those old boys to start lowering the Medicare age, at least for at cost buy ins for people who have been thrown out of corporate jobs because they're not cost effective at the age of 50+.

Passing a mandate with no alternative to feeding insurance company greed is unconscionable.

However, it's better than nothing. I know, I've lived with nothing for far too long.

[slampoet]

7. "— down 16 points." This just points to people resigning themselves to the flaws of the system...

...and playing an end game.

Either that or it is a defective poll comparing itself to a more valid one.

[mzmolly]

10. Good news. Though I think all three percent

post here. ;)

[NYC_SKP]

12. The poor beasts. Some of them mean well, at least.

And most are misled or misinformed.

Luckily for them, what's good for us all will benefit them.

:patriot:

[walldude]

14. Yes those opposed have lost the argument.

Just like we lost it on the Patriot Act, on Guantanamo, on the Iraq war, on Torture, on Afghanistan, and on a host of other shit. It's so nice to proven wrong once again.

[reggie the dog]

15. I am with you;

Most liberals supported Iraq war, Afghanistan war, Patriot act, Patriot act II, etc.

[Lorien]

16. Bull fucking shit. I don't know a single Dem in "the real world" who isn't

furious about this corporate con they call "HCR". Take your DLC propaganda elsewhere.

[Codeine]

19. OTOH,

I don't know a single Democrat who IS furious about the bill. :shrug: We generally aren't in the habit of making perfect the enemy of good in my social circle, however.

[walldude]

21. LMAO.. is that all you have? That sad little talking point?

Your talking point would work if this bill were good. But it's not. And it won't be fixed either. But go ahead and hope, it's not like the football is going to be pulled away from us again. :rofl:

[Codeine]

29. Ah, the laughter of petulant children.

It's soothing in a way.

[Quantess]

17. It's like someone parking an AMC Pacer in your driveway and handing you the title.

You don't want it, but probably wouldn't refuse it.
You'd give it to some 16 year old. But it's an AMC Pacer.
---Paraphrasing Michael Moore's comment.

[Codeine]

30. If I don't have a car

an AMC Pacer is gonna look just fine.

[apocalypsehow]

37. Excellent counter-analogy. Well done. n/t.

[Marr]

40. Congratulations. You now you have a car that you can't afford to drive.

You didn't have a car because you had no money. Now you've got that car you were mandated to buy, and even got a nice little subsidy to hand over to AMC. But if you want to drive it, you have to put gas in it. No money? Oh well. AMC would like to thank the government for the subsidy. Now put on your walking shoes.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

18. Well, I'm glad I'm not a liberal.

"The Fascists will shoot you.
The conservatives will applaud the Fascists.
The moderates will watch the executions on TV.
The Liberals will cry over your grave and feel guilty for turning you in to the Fascists."

SDS saying.

[Laelth]

20. We may have lost the fight, but we're still right.

This bill is worse than doing nothing.

:dem:

-Laelth

[berni_mccoy]

22. Who's "we"? The Progressive Caucus is not you.

The entire Progressive Caucus supports passing this bill.

[t0dd]

23. oh, noes. i better hurry and conform.

:eyes:

[deaniac21]

24. 97 % of all statistics are made up on the spot.

[berni_mccoy]

26. You wish.

[deaniac21]

42. Well, I'll admit I'm not a cheerleader. I wanted to be one in

high school though.

[Canuckistanian]

32. But only 40% of people say that

And 26% of them are in either:

1. The Republican Party

or

2. Denial

or

3. a State mental institution.

[deaniac21]

41. I thought that was 35.7 %.

[Canuckistanian]

43. I'm confused 68.31% of the time

I may have my numbers wrong

[impik]

25. Sellout! All the 89%!!!

[bvar22]

27. Ask thoe same Liberals...

...if they support Mandates without a Public Option.

[apocalypsehow]

28. Kick, Rec. n/t.

[Individualist]

31. Keep believing it; your shock in November will be even greater.

[apocalypsehow]

33. The beauty of passing this now is precisely to mitigate any "shock" in November.

When the voters see that this is not the end of the world as the GOP and a tiny minority of malcontents in our party make it out to be, I think the Democrats won't do all that bad.

Will we lose seats? Sure - the party in power nearly always lose seats in an off-year election. Will it be a wipe out? I don't think so.

[spoony]

34. ...so why are you still stuck on attack mode?

It's just like with DK before he said yes, you guys are running around telling us we're in the extreme minority. So? Doesn't that mean we're irrelevent? Then why do you still obsess about it-- Why browbeat people? Why pick these fights?

Is it really that you just can't accept that some people disagree with this bill? What are you doing with this thread, and so many others, what do you want?

[apocalypsehow]

36. Have you seen the other brazenly false OP in GD, deceptively using a poll from December pretending

the numbers in it are current? :shrug:

I don't call this OP "attack mode": I call it "correcting the record."

[Political Heretic]

38. We're not confused about the fact that we've lost the argument.

At least I'm not. Can only hope now that we're wrong in our estimations, based on careful analysis of the provisions, that the health care situation in America is going to get exponentially worse - not better - over the next ten years.

I sincerely hope not. To many American families need me to have to say "it turns out I was wrong" - something I'd be thrilled beyond measure to do...

[Marr]

39. "Everyone agreed that Saddam had WMD", too. Right?

Why am I getting this weird sense of deja vu?

[apocalypsehow]

44. *Kick* for the most current - and therefore currently legitimate - polling data on the matter.

:kick: