The real reason Republicans are so Hell-Bent against HCR?

[Bluerthanblue]

Can anyone explain it?

Is it because they Hate Obama and want him to fail?

The bill is hardly 'socialism' (despite their rhetoric)

It doesn't 'burden our children' with debt any more than doing nothing will (another talking point of theirs)

They claim to want health care to involve more "patient-centered choice" yet they demand control of what 'choices' patients can make? ("government out of my health-care" is another talking point of theirs)

They say they want to "start over" translated : distract, delay, and derail any change at all indefinitely. (How concerned have the Republicans ever been about reforming our broken health care system, short of Nixon)??

D. Kucinich really pulled the mask off this mess when he spoke out this morning. His support of the President on this issue despite the flawed bill, his sincere words about the importance of not letting the GOP use this as a way to bring down this Administration and the Democratic Party really caught my attention.

We are fighting for more than 'reform' with this bill- imo The GOP is using everything they have to show us all that THEY are the ones who determine policy, no matter what.

I hope they fail.

[cdsilv]

1. because if it succeeds, they won't have anything to run on....n/t

[Capitalocracy]

22. If it succeeds, that IS what they'll run on

the Democrats ignoring the will of the people to pass the insurance mandate

of course, they'll ignore the majority who want a public option, but hey, so do the Dems

They'll say, we fought against it, but we need more seats.

[timeforpeace]

2. Repubs are non-factors in this. It's Dems vs Dems in the battle for passage.

[Bluerthanblue]

9. seems to me they have everything to win if we lose-

that makes them a major factor.

[timeforpeace]

10. They are non-factors in what is transpiring now. It's Dems vs Dems as it has been all along.

[NJmaverick]

3. In the end they know that passing historic health care reform would be a huge

feather in the caps of the President and the Dems. We have seen over and over again that in their lust for power and control the GOP will always put party ahead of the American people.

[rfranklin]

6. They know what happened under FDR...

They had their asses handed to them for twenty years.

[Tiggeroshii]

4. While the failure of HCR maintains a burden on the Democrats to remain in power,

despite the claim that "Americans are against it," the passage of HCR will likely have the opposite affect and give them enough good press to give the Republicans no chance in November. Which is why passing a substantial bill long before November will probably be a very good thing.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

5. The real reason Republicans are so Hell-Bent against HCR

is because they want to embarrass President Obama and ruin his presidency.

That's enough reason to support the bill.

[Bluerthanblue]

8. I agree.

It really hit home this am listening to DK and the 'C-Span' callers after his announcement.

This is more than it appears to be on the surface I think.

[county worker]

7. I thought about this this morning. You have to understand that conservatives have no empathy for

others. What got me to thinking is a wing nut I heard on talk radio yesterday. He was at the Tea Party Rally and a homeless African American told him that the Tea Party movement is racist. The wing nut said that if the homeless guy would go to work everyday and make something of himself he could be president but it is the liberals who let him be homeless. I could not get that logic but to think the wing nut lives in an alternative universe where building his wealth is the only good and he can rationalize away any thing that gets in the way of his doing it.

Basically to a repub building their wealth is the only good and anything they do to achieve that is OK.

[girl gone mad]

11. Demsa are giving all the favors to big insurance and big pharma, so Dems will get the $$$

Jealousy, I suspect.

[cali]

15. lol. no, sorry, big insurance is not happy with this legislation

despite the insistence of some here that they really like it but they're pretending not to.

[girl gone mad]

26. Why wouldn't they be?

The bill was written by and for them.

Do you even know what a lobbyist is?

[cali]

28. why yes, honeypie, I do know what a lobbyist is. And I also know that

they don't like the increased regulation and having to cover high risk persons and those with pre-existing conditions. I also know that they've spent a boatload to defeat the legislation, genius.

[Johonny]

12. Well it is filled with Republican ideas

and it's not like they have a ever filling fountain of these things. Having basically run through the best compromise on their principals of reform they basically would ever get and not supporting it. They have nothing else to run on with this issue. I mean health reform only gets more left after this, or else I guess non-existent. It leaves them with running with either really, really bad ideas or saying nothing on this issue (or telling lies). Ok so they always have lying :)

[rhett o rick]

13. They dont "hate Obama". It's politics stupid (not you, just an expression)

Think about it. After all the trouble the republicans went to steal elections in 2000 and 2004, possibly to the point of assass-ination, and all the trouble they went to to establish deviations to the Constitution so they can rule as tyrants, why oh why did they give up power so easily?

I think they decided that it wasnt yet time for martial law. They would let Obama be president until 2014. In the mean time they run a shadow government and the republicans in Congress will do every thing possible to destroy the country. Stand by for Jeb and Liz in 2014. With the new SCOTUS ruling, it should be simple.

[Bluerthanblue]

17. I don't think they 'gave up power so easily' as much

as they didn't know how to cope with the mess they'd created.

And, quite honestly, I DO think that there is a very real racist mentality buried under much of the dislike of this administration that some people don't even realize in themselves. The acceptance of some of the crap that has been thrown around openly in this country and defended by the media is frightening.

We are fighting for more than health care reform- I really believe that.

:hi:

[rhett o rick]

24. Let me see if I can convince you. In 2000 and 2004 they went to a large amount

of trouble to steal the elections. In 2008, nothing. Bush and Cheney hardly campaigned for McTool and dipshit. And who choose McCain and Palin, a couple of losers. It was wayyy to easy. They had everything in place to declare martial law, and dont believe they didnt consider it. But they didnt. They quietly faded away.

Secondly, although racism is probably very prevalent among the reich-wing, power is most important. Racism is just a tool.

[Cal Carpenter]

14. Because without divide and conquer

there could be a real challenge to the status quo.

Nothing perpetuates our current system better than the ability to divide the populace into superficially opposed groups. People think they are fighting for something against the 'other guys' and winning or losing but in reality the same beat goes on regardless of party.

It's a dog and pony show and apparently it's so mesmerizing that people are really falling for it.

I can't believe how many people (here and irl) think this bill is good for people. And I can't believe how absurd the criticisms are from the right. There is plenty to criticize this bill for but it's 'socialism' sure as hell ain't the problem. It goes to show you how empty and devoid of real theory and how removed from reality our political discourse is these days.

Sad.

[mdmc]

16. passing HRC is a feather in Obama's cap, they want him to have a black eye

[starroute]

18. There's a mixture of factors

The fear of a generation of devoted Democratic voters if this succeeds is certainly one.

The desire of "cheap labor" Republicans to have Americans living in fear and kept dependent on the corporations is another.

The ideology of radical individualism is a third -- though that also grows out of the attempt to keep citizens weak and divided and unable to organize effectively.

But what all of them amount to may be simply that for a century now Wall Street has been terrified of "socialism" -- as the only thing which can challenge its power -- and has done everything it can to make Americans allergic to any hint of socialism and to promote the substitute ideologies of nationalism, producer-ism, and old-time religion.

I've never been a socialist myself, since I think monopolistic control by big government is second only to monopolistic control by big business in the area of Really Bad Idea. But the fact that the corporations are so terrified of it is the one thing that might make me rethink my position.

If you interpret the entire history of the West since 1920 as an unbroken attempt by Wall Street to ward off any hint of socialism -- coopting both US foreign and domestic policy to that end -- you'll have a much clearer idea of what's really been going on than with any other approach.

[PurityOfEssence]

19. Business is God

Thou shalt NEVER do anything to impede other people's amassing of money, period.

[kctim]

20. Geez

- It is a government mandate
They are not against health care reform, they are against govt mandates which are what single payer, a public option and this bill are.

- It raises taxes
Personal taxes will have to go up and that hits where it counts: pocketbooks.

- Govt has no right intruding on personal freedoms
They don't want govt dictating how they use the money they earn and they want the choice to use it for what THEY think is best, not what GOVT thinks is best.


Yes, you could give a pro for every con they have, just as they could do to you.

Talk to them some, you will learn alot more about them doing that than you will by listening to stereotypes.

[Bluerthanblue]

21. the problem is I HAVE talked to them-

and the individuals I've talked to don't want to discuss the reality.

They just want to recite the talking points that the media has fed everyone.

[kctim]

29. You have? Ok

Then you realize the "reality" you speak of is formed by you're own personal beliefs, right? That you're opinions are nothing more than talking points to them, right?

The problem is that BOTH believe the other to be too ignorant and brainwashed, so BOTH stopped listening.

[BlueIdaho]

23. Who's Waterloo? nt.

[0rganism]

25. It's not a particular hate for Obama, but they'd benefit greatly from his failure

IF he succeeds in getting even something as watered-down as the current shape of HCR legislation, that's going to play as progress. That makes it harder for them to retake congress and the presidency in the next few elections. Not that they still can't run against it, but it's easier to run against a do-nothing failure than someone who's shown leadership, however lukewarm.

There may be some who have more personal, even racist, agendas but I think the greatest common denominator is political calculation.

[Bryn]

27. Republicans are like Stepford wives

They all act and talk alike as if chips were inserted in their brains then programmed by Fox News. Same talking points. My two freeper sisters talk exactly like Fox News, my GOP mother, too. They cannot think for themselves. No different opinions. That's why Republicans are so dangerous!