Wonder if all these people are all lying about their "fixed" runaway Toyotas?

[NNN0LHI]

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_TOYOTA_NO_FIX?SITE=ILKAN&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

Mar 17, 9:25 PM EDT

More than 100 complaints lodged over fixed Toyotas

By KEN THOMAS
Associated Press Writer

>>>"I went in for the recall and it seems there is a worse problem now," wrote the owner of a 2008 Toyota Tundra in Boynton Beach, Fla., who reported unwanted acceleration in early March. "I truly believe this is an electronic problem."

John Moscicki, of Lake Oswego, Ore., told the AP his 2007 Camry accelerated on its own five times before he got the vehicle fixed under the floor mat recall last month.

On March 4, his repaired Camry took off from a standing stop on the freeway and accelerated to 50 mph before Moscicki managed to stop it by shifting into neutral, hitting the brake with his left foot and pulling back the gas pedal with his right.

"It just went to the floor like some other system had control of it," said Moscicki, who raced high-performance sports cars and previously owned a Porsche restoration business.

His Toyota dealer had the Camry for a week, and Toyota sent in a field engineer to examine the car without finding anything wrong. Moscicki said he had planned to give the vehicle to his college-age daughter but now intends to get rid of it. "I wouldn't let her anywhere near this car," he said.<<<

[Edweird]

1. Do they own corvette jackets? How's their credit? Any debt problems?

[Fumesucker]

2. Are they running a swinger's website? n/t

[Edweird]

3. Bodily fluids possibly causing pedal to adhere to floor?

[Fumesucker]

4. Eww.. That's just gross..

But hilarious..

:rofl: :rofl:

[Edweird]

5. Just trying to figure out the 'swingers website' tie in....

[harkadog]

6. The San Diego lier was operating a swingers website with his wife.

[Edweird]

7. Ah.

[Omaha Steve]

8. CHiP says he didn't lie

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x7943080

[harkadog]

9. No they didn't say that

They said they saw brake lights and smelled brakes. They made no comment on whether they thought the guy was telling the truth or not. You do know you can run a car's accelerator with one foot and tap brakes with the other, don't you?

[David Zephyr]

10. And he was a liar. And that sort of shit doesn't help the public.

He also endangered a policeman's life on the highway. What a fuckwad.

[divideandconquer]

11. You know for sure this guy lied vs a sketchy multinational with billions at stake?

Having toyota investigating the black boxes is like having diebold investigate voting machines.

[harkadog]

18. Ahh you do know the federal transportation safety board

is investigating the black boxes and other matters along with Toyota, don't you? But I'm sure you will say they are bought off by the billions and part of the conspiracy too.

[pitohui]

12. i think they almost have to be...mass hysteria like all the devil worshippers in the 80s

i recently visited bolivia, virtually every private auto and taxi cab was either a toyota corolla or another type of toyota, and the streets of santa cruz are VERY badly designed w. lots of bad traffic -- if the toyotas were truly running amuk i'd have seen accidents every time i turned around -- instead the toyotas are the basic transportation of the nation just as VWs used to be for mexico

unless you truly believe somehow, magically, that a toyota built in or shipped to bolivia would be magically put together better than a toyota built in or shipped to the united states...well...sorry

i will continue to buy and support toyota, i think most of this is plain and simple mass hysteria and the rest of it is a (failed) attempt at price manipulation -- admittedly i got this idea from eavesdropping on some guys complaining about how they'd tried to "short" toyota and yet its stock stubbornly refused to collapse on cue...

anyone who remembers the devil worshipping child care workers in the 1980s should know that mass hysteria CAN happen in the usa, even to middle class people who think they know better -- maybe ESPECIALLY to people who think they know better -- who's more hysterical than the person who never lets it enter their mind that they might be getting swept away by the times? we all like to fantasize that WE can't be influenced, and yet advertisers continue to advertise, hmmm

as for opportunistic liars who make shit up to extort toyota (or anybody else) for money, i have no use for lowlife of that sort

i sympathize w. those who brains have tricked them and who truly believe their own claims, but i have no sympathy for the deliberate con

[yodoobo]

13. shiftd it into neutral. imagine that

When our mechanical engineer "experts" here on DU insist that our gear shifts lie and that Neutral is just a lower gear.

Nah I don't think they are ALL lying. But I think its likely that some are.

[David Zephyr]

16. +1

Some are lying and many are exaggerating for the wrong motives.

Clearly, Toyota has a real problem. But the stretching the truth, the over the top posts by a few with an axe to grind under the pretense that they "care" doesn't help.

This shit can engender a backlash of sympathy for Toyota.

[Old and In the Way]

14. I've got no dog in this fight....

But I do find it interesting how this topic has divided the board. Seems like both sides are sure that the fault lies with the other side.

I wonder...how statistically significant are these reported incidences, relative to all of the major auto companies? Anyone seen any data on this? I have to believe that all manufacturer's have incident reports of uncontrolled acceleration. How does Toyota stack up with the rest of the industry? It would be interesting to see the data by model year, plotted by reporting year. If, say, the last 10 years are within the industry norm, but suddenly, there's a spike of incidents this year for various model years...I have to wonder why.

My gut says the guy in California is scamming this, but I could be wrong. I certainly have seen no evidence to support either side's case at this point.

[Fumesucker]

15. Not really...

In this specific instance I think the driver is lying, the story just isn't credible to many people who know cars well.

It does appear though that Toyota has some kind of problem (as do other manufacturers) but those problems are now being exacerbated by hysteria (just like happened with the Audi 5000 in the 80s)..

[divideandconquer]

19. Toyota Tops Complaints of Unintended Acceleration, Report Says

Toyota Tops Complaints of Unintended Acceleration, Report SaysBy CHRISTOPHER JENSEN
Toyota’s unintended acceleration problem just won’t go away. Now Consumer Reports takes a look at complaints of unintended acceleration from owners of 2008 models. And the publication found that 41 percent of the complaints, filed with the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, came from Toyota owners.
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http://wheels.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/12/08/toyota-tops-complaints-of-unintended-acceleration-report-says/

[TexasObserver]

17. Yes, the problem existed before the recall, and it continues.

Cars have had intermittent problems for the many years I've been driving them, and I've owned all the most common brands, foreign and domestic. Toyota, Datsun/Nissan, Chevy, Ford, Chrysler, Buick, GMC, Jeep, Dodge, Pontiac, VW, and others. My Toyotas were good cars and I had no complaints with them, but of their immediate competition, I think Nissan makes a better car.

A bug in the electrical system that causes the battery to go down, or the sound system to go on the fritz, or the engine to overheat, or the electric windows to malfunction, will not create an immediate, out of control car.

As cars have became more complicated and more controlled by computers, the opportunity for a problem no one can see and effectively repair increased. When there are hundreds of reports on hundreds of thousands of vehicles sold, and the problem presents rarely, unexpectedly, and obviously cannot be resolved by Toyota.

Toyota has not behaved responsibly throughout the past five years regarding these problems, and there is no reason to believe they ever will.