How many of you think that Obama will amend the HCR

[kimmerspixelated]

bill once passed? Is it possible it has been his plan all along to merely bow to the insurance companies,etc., and then turnabout in our favor after it's all said and done?

I'm not saying he's a puppet, but something just isn't right, and it hasn't been right for a long time.

[damntexdem]

1. He will definitely not amend it -- but Congress may.

The question is whether and how Congress will amend it.

[kimmerspixelated]

9. Well, I didn't mean technically- my bad!

[Cleita]

2. I think he'll take it just as he gets it. He has said he will sign whatever passes Congress.

If he does do a last minute fix it will be in another universe, not this one.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

3. Government 101: He can't amend the HCR bill. He's the President.

All a president can do is sign or veto legislation. Congress would have to amend it. He could recommend certain amendments, but he can't make them.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

6. Keep in mind, the OP thinks that AIDS isn't caused by HIV.

And that baking soda cures cancer.

Just thought this thread might need a disclaimer.

[Oregone]

20. Pretty much what I was going to say

[Ozymanithrax]

4. Obama can't amend it. He's President. The House and the Senate will...

many times over the next decade. Well, as long as Democrats remain in the majority. Republicans will use every excuse they can to gut it.

[Bluebear]

5. 'Well, as long as Democrats remain in the majority.' - yeah at this rate that could happen.

[Ozymanithrax]

16. Exactly. If they loose the majority Republicans will expend every

effort to gut the bill. If they simply try to repeal it without having a two-thirds majority vote in both the House of Representatives and Senate, Obama will either veto it outright or pocket veto that sucker.

But they can gut and defund anything in the bill.

The fear of the GOP, and it is justified, that once HCR is enacted Americans will like it, as they like Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security. Real efforts to gut those have been soundly defeated every time. But the GOP uses Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security, swearing to get rid of them, even though they would never do it, to raise money from their half wit constituents. It gives them one more thing to raise money with. They will swear to end that Socialist Obamacare program if they are just given the power...

[Cleita]

7. He can change things and other Presidents have by sending it back

to Congress without a signature until they give him what he wants. I think Reagan did it several times.

[Ozymanithrax]

11. No, he is not going to send the most progressive Health Care bill since Medicare and Medicaid...

back to Congress.

AS they did with Social Security, The Civil Rights Act of 1964, Medicare, Medicaid, Schip, and almost every historical piece of legislation, the House and the Senate will ammend it to make it better.

That is how we do things in the U.S.

[Bluebear]

14. How did they "ammend" all those to make them better?

[Ozymanithrax]

22. Many ammendments are simply added as small parts of other bills.

For how they ammendmed Social Security: (http://www.ssa.gov/history/law.html)
1965: Social Security Act Amendments (Medicare and Medicaid) (http://www.allamericanpatriots.com/american_historical_documents_1965_social_security_act_amendments_medicare_and_medicaid) (Both Schip and the Medicare drug benefit made ammendments to Medicare adn Medicaid)
Civil Rigths Act of 1964 (http://www.archives.gov/education/lessons/civil-rights-act/) but among other Title IX that brought equal rights for women teachers.

These are not exhaustive resoureces. Each of the massive progressive bills have been amendmend many times. It is easier to amend an existing piece of legislation.

[Cleita]

31. There is no progressive in this bill. Stop drinking the Kool-Aid.

It is at best throwing us some bones because they can't ignore us dying as much as we have anymore. Those who govern us know that they can't get away with ignoring our health care crisis, so they are throwing us a few bones. That's all that is happening.

[truedelphi]

19. That would be a great thing to see have happen. Not holding my breath though.

[Ozymanithrax]

24. NOpe, not going to say that.

Kucinich supports this bill.

***edited because I had second thoughts.

[mwrguy]

8. I don't think the senate will, if that's what you are asking

Why should they? They already got what they wanted.

Obama certainly won't lean on them, once he has a bill he can sign.

[Lorien]

10. Something just isn't right,

Because someone who we thought was on our side turned out to be WITH the Right.

[yodoobo]

12. of course he will. This is the platform for all improvements

Its critical that we pass something and get a win.

From there everything else will follow.

[Fumesucker]

18. Obama has no power to amend any bill at all..

That is the job of the legislative branch, Obama is executive branch..

[yodoobo]

23. yea yea yea

He has no power to write a bill either.

But we elected him and here it is. Think we would have had this if McCain was elected? Of course not. If McCain was elected wouldn't be looking at this history changing moment.

here are hundreds of things that A president doesn't have the power to do, but nonetheless is credited because he uses his influence and leadership to get it done.

I think everyone understands that the question is actually "Will Obama provide the leadership and direct Congress to amend the bill"

[Fumesucker]

26. I can only respond to what is written..

I learned long ago that my mindreading skills are extremely poor.

[Tippy]

13. We all need to stay on Congress's back....

Reforms need to be made but they can't be the only thing congress is working on....We need to pick and choose carefully what intend to reform....

[ThomWV]

15. At this point in the game a Veto would really amuse me.

[Cleita]

17. Well, you aren't going to see that unless he and Joe Biden buy the farm in the

next twenty-four hours and I don't think President Pelosi would either.

[slipslidingaway]

21. Not me, there will be no significant changes for awhile ...

and if I could find my post from June, my prediction was that Obama would back an individual mandate and that there would be no public option.

:)

[Lil Missy]

25. He will encourage Congress to do so.

[TransitJohn]

27. Sure right after he legalizes weed and acid.

:hippie: :sarcasm: :rofl:

[Arkana]

28. I don't think he's had any kind of master plan.

I think he decided that he'd try to get a framework in place that could be amended and tinkered with afterwards.

Now I shall prepare myself for the cavalcade of "YOU ARE A DLC CORPO-FASCIST SELLOUT AND SHOULD BE SHOT, GOOD SIR" posts.

[Edweird]

29. The Senate bill = "I'm getting 95% of what I want". This is it. There will be no 'fixing'.

[depakid]

30. They have no more interest in doing so than they do in holding banksters and fraudsters accountable

The administration sold everyone a bill of goods- and they'll continue to do so in other policy areas, too until progressive vote as a lock and hand their asses a few high profile defeats.

[juno jones]

32. I ain't holding my breath. n/t