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Better Believe It (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-19-10 11:51 AM Original message |
Fact Sheet: Myths and the Truth About The Health Care Bill by Jane Hamsher |
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NYC_SKP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-19-10 11:53 AM Response to Original message |
1. Fuck firedoglake wtf with that site anyway? Is it another correntewire. Christ on a biscuit. |
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Better Believe It (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-19-10 11:55 AM Response to Reply #1 |
2. So you can't refute the facts presented. OK. Fair enough. |
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NYC_SKP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-19-10 11:57 AM Response to Reply #2 |
5. Calling bullshit on anything from fdl. Better things to do than argue with lies and bullshit. eom |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-19-10 12:02 PM Response to Reply #5 |
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NYC_SKP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-19-10 12:04 PM Original message |
Kucinich, Grayson, Weiner.... |
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Donnachaidh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-19-10 12:33 PM Response to Reply #5 |
25. so -- then REFUTE it, If.You.Can. |
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Missy Vixen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-19-10 02:28 PM Response to Reply #5 |
51. So, again, you can't refute it, can you? |
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frylock (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-19-10 02:32 PM Response to Reply #5 |
55. it's hard work |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-19-10 12:06 PM Response to Reply #2 |
16. If these claims are really facts... |
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Missy Vixen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-19-10 02:29 PM Response to Reply #16 |
52. What would you consider a more "credible" source? |
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HughMoran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-19-10 02:49 PM Response to Reply #52 |
66. anyfuckingthing |
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Missy Vixen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-19-10 03:25 PM Response to Reply #66 |
78. I think a lot of it is that Jane Hamsher is an outspoken female |
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HughMoran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-19-10 03:32 PM Response to Reply #78 |
79. No, it's her smoking habits |
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Starbucks Anarchist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-19-10 03:56 PM Response to Reply #78 |
83. No, it's her alignment with Norquist and the teabaggers. |
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LoZoccolo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-19-10 10:29 PM Response to Reply #78 |
90. That's a lame accusation because people criticize Ralph Nader for the exact same things. |
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ihavenobias (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-19-10 02:41 PM Response to Reply #2 |
62. People should step up with facts, not digs at FDL and Hamsher. |
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HughMoran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-19-10 02:50 PM Response to Reply #62 |
67. ihavextremebias |
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ihavenobias (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-19-10 02:54 PM Response to Reply #67 |
69. My God. |
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HughMoran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-19-10 03:01 PM Response to Reply #69 |
71. lol |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-19-10 03:13 PM Response to Reply #69 |
74. On the other hand, it's nice to see Mr. Moran finally admit what we've know all along. |
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20score (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-19-10 03:54 PM Response to Reply #69 |
82. Too bad no one could play grade school games with his name. Nope, can't think of a thing. |
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Naturalist111 (362 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-20-10 11:55 PM Response to Reply #2 |
111. These are not facts |
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Hekate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-19-10 12:09 PM Response to Reply #1 |
18. Before I speedily exit this thread: Those LOLcats are outrageous beyond words |
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dave29 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-19-10 01:54 PM Response to Reply #1 |
36. are those pod cats? |
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NYC_SKP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-19-10 02:04 PM Response to Reply #36 |
39. Why, yes they are pod cats. |
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leftynyc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-19-10 02:11 PM Response to Reply #1 |
43. Not to mention the AMA, AARP |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-19-10 02:22 PM Response to Reply #43 |
50. Umm, AARP is a GIANT "For Profit" Health Insurance Corporation. |
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leftynyc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-19-10 02:41 PM Response to Reply #50 |
61. What crap |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-19-10 03:03 PM Response to Reply #61 |
72. Deleted message |
Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-19-10 03:16 PM Response to Reply #72 |
76. Deleted message |
bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-19-10 03:24 PM Response to Reply #61 |
77. So?....No Rebuttal?... |
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unapatriciated (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-19-10 11:24 PM Response to Reply #77 |
96. not to mention the AMA has been fighting against single payor since Roosevelt. |
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Raineyb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-20-10 10:41 PM Response to Reply #61 |
109. Actually he's right. AARP is in business with United Healthcare. |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-20-10 05:00 AM Response to Reply #1 |
97. I absolutely REFUSE to be so fucking stupid-- |
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bluestateguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-19-10 11:55 AM Response to Original message |
3. I continue to wait for her to get with the program and support this bill |
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Better Believe It (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-19-10 12:01 PM Response to Reply #3 |
9. Why should she support the Health Insurance Industry and Big Pharma Protection Act? |
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HughMoran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-19-10 02:51 PM Response to Reply #9 |
68. No limit to depths will go to discredit Obama & Dems |
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berni_mccoy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-19-10 11:55 AM Response to Original message |
4. Jane Hamsher is about as credible as her buddy Norquist. FUCK. THEM. |
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Raineyb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-19-10 12:00 PM Response to Reply #4 |
7. In other words, you can't refute her. |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-19-10 02:06 PM Response to Reply #7 |
41. +1 nt |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-19-10 12:00 PM Response to Original message |
6. Kick and rec! nt |
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Echo In Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-19-10 12:01 PM Response to Original message |
8. k/r |
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WillYourVoteBCounted (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-19-10 12:02 PM Response to Original message |
10. #1 TRUTH - Insurance COs will be laughing all the way to the bank |
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dflprincess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-19-10 12:06 PM Response to Reply #10 |
17. +1 |
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WorseBeforeBetter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-19-10 12:13 PM Response to Reply #10 |
19. You got that right, but it's okay... |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-19-10 02:18 PM Response to Reply #10 |
46. There you go again, |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-19-10 12:04 PM Response to Original message |
12. Facts about the health care bill from Howard Dean |
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NYC_SKP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-19-10 12:05 PM Response to Reply #12 |
14. What, that cheerleader? nt |
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Matariki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-19-10 01:51 PM Response to Reply #12 |
34. "If you have fewer than 30 employees, you don’t have to pay health insurance at all anymore" |
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Ikonoklast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-19-10 12:04 PM Response to Original message |
13. Hamsher is a Neocon tool. |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-19-10 02:37 PM Response to Reply #13 |
60. OMG! It's upside down day? eom |
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RDANGELO (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-19-10 12:05 PM Response to Original message |
15. On the Mass health care |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-19-10 12:13 PM Response to Original message |
20. "TRUTH: Many Massachusetts residents forgo health care because they can’t afford it." Bullshit |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-19-10 12:28 PM Response to Reply #20 |
22. Your link is 2 degrees from UnitedHealthGroup. Nice. |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-19-10 12:35 PM Response to Reply #22 |
27. Here |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-20-10 05:04 AM Response to Reply #27 |
98. They only have access to overpriced worthless insurance, not health care n/t |
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kath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-19-10 12:29 PM Response to Reply #20 |
23. Having insurance is NOT the same as being able to afford health care. |
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Donnachaidh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-19-10 12:36 PM Response to Reply #23 |
28. you noticed that too, huh? |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-19-10 12:39 PM Response to Reply #23 |
29. Here's the difference |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-20-10 05:35 AM Response to Reply #20 |
100. You are talking about worthless insurance. FDL is talking about CARE n/t |
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NashVegas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-20-10 08:03 PM Response to Reply #20 |
106. Health Care Insurance Is Not Health Care |
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WorseBeforeBetter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-19-10 12:16 PM Response to Original message |
21. Wait. Who is it again that believes in pink ponies and magic wands? |
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Bolo Boffin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-19-10 12:32 PM Response to Original message |
24. Hamsher in 1787: Submit to England again, the Articles were a wash. |
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Better Believe It (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-19-10 01:45 PM Response to Reply #24 |
31. That's all you got? You can't refute a single thing in the article? |
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Bolo Boffin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-19-10 02:33 PM Original message |
OK, what about her bullshit about premiums? |
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Spazito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-19-10 12:33 PM Response to Original message |
26. FDL has become Nader Central.... |
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Better Believe It (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-19-10 01:44 PM Response to Reply #26 |
30. Does that mean you can't refute the article? |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-19-10 01:47 PM Response to Reply #30 |
32. Deleted message |
Better Believe It (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-19-10 02:05 PM Response to Reply #32 |
40. Enough personal attacks and insults from you directed at DU'ers |
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berni_mccoy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-19-10 02:32 PM Response to Reply #40 |
54. If describing your behavior is a personal attack, then perhaps |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-19-10 02:10 PM Response to Reply #32 |
42. Funny, though |
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LoZoccolo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-19-10 01:53 PM Response to Reply #30 |
35. Do you take the time to refute every crackpot article that comes your way? |
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Political Heretic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-19-10 02:20 PM Response to Reply #35 |
49. Transparent cop-out. Cheap and obvious. |
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LoZoccolo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-19-10 05:29 PM Response to Reply #49 |
88. Firedoglake is a project of Grover Norquist CAN YOU REFUTE THAT CAN YOU CAN YOU??!! n/t |
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Spazito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-19-10 02:00 PM Response to Reply #30 |
38. I have no interest in 'refuting' that which has NO credibility in the first place... |
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Political Heretic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-19-10 02:20 PM Response to Reply #38 |
48. Transparent cop-out. Cheap and obvious. |
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Spazito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-19-10 02:47 PM Response to Reply #48 |
63. Ms. Hamsher wouldn't know the truth if she fell over it, imo... |
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frylock (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-19-10 02:35 PM Response to Reply #26 |
57. *NADER* |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-19-10 02:48 PM Response to Reply #57 |
64. LOL! |
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Spazito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-19-10 02:48 PM Response to Reply #57 |
65. Drive safe! |
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ipaint (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-19-10 01:50 PM Response to Original message |
33. Thanks for posting. |
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DevonRex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-19-10 01:56 PM Response to Original message |
37. Fuck Jane and her teabagger buddies. She wouldn't know a fact |
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MilesColtrane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-19-10 02:11 PM Response to Reply #37 |
44. She should go back to producing shitty movies. |
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johnaries (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-19-10 02:13 PM Response to Original message |
45. Hamsher has been getting the facts WRONG consistently. |
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Political Heretic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-19-10 02:18 PM Response to Reply #45 |
47. Would you care to offer some concrete examples from what was posted in the OP? |
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thotzRthingz (585 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-19-10 02:31 PM Response to Original message |
53. FDL seems to be one of the FEW sources which provides necessary INFO to progressives who really care |
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donco6 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-19-10 02:33 PM Response to Original message |
56. She lays it out pretty well. |
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backscatter712 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-19-10 02:36 PM Response to Original message |
58. It's Firebagger freakout time!!! n/t |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-19-10 02:36 PM Response to Original message |
59. Very well done. |
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seafan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-19-10 02:58 PM Response to Original message |
70. Thanks for this list. Hamsher has comprehensively referenced all 18 of these points |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-19-10 03:13 PM Response to Reply #70 |
73. "Very well done, Ms. Hamsher." |
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Feron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-19-10 03:15 PM Response to Original message |
75. Good article. |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-19-10 03:33 PM Response to Original message |
80. K&R .... back UP to +3 |
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Bolo Boffin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-19-10 03:42 PM Response to Original message |
81. The real myth exposed - how this post doesn't have a leg to stand on. |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-19-10 04:38 PM Response to Reply #81 |
84. "those 30 million in the face that WILL be getting health insurance", |
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Bolo Boffin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-19-10 04:44 PM Response to Reply #84 |
85. They'll have it, won't they? It's a start. It's a step. It's PROGRESS. |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-19-10 05:03 PM Response to Reply #85 |
86. Then we can't really call it "Reform" yet., can we. |
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Bolo Boffin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-19-10 05:36 PM Response to Reply #86 |
89. Yes, we can. |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-20-10 05:07 AM Response to Reply #85 |
99. 60% of costs covered = worthless pile of shit n/t |
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Better Believe It (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-20-10 03:54 PM Response to Reply #99 |
102. So the insured will have to pay 40% of health costs or go without. Now that's reform! |
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thotzRthingz (585 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-19-10 10:34 PM Response to Reply #84 |
91. thanks for speaking up & out, for those being enslaved with NO REAL OPTIONS... very well said! |
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Bolo Boffin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-19-10 11:07 PM Response to Reply #91 |
95. No real options, except for all the plans in the exchange. |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-19-10 05:18 PM Response to Original message |
87. These are the truths that will affect me: |
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merkins (309 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-19-10 10:39 PM Response to Original message |
92. Excellent Fact Sheet - Thanks! |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-19-10 10:41 PM Response to Original message |
93. Thanks for bravely posting. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-19-10 10:55 PM Response to Original message |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-20-10 10:52 AM Response to Original message |
101. kick. nt |
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Better Believe It (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-20-10 07:41 PM Response to Original message |
103. The hard facts vs. myths for weekend DU'ers |
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jpak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-20-10 07:44 PM Response to Original message |
104. Jane and Norquist sitting in a tree...K-I-S-S-I-N-G.... |
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Better Believe It (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-20-10 07:53 PM Response to Reply #104 |
105. So you can't refute even one of her points in the fact sheet! If you can, you have the floor! |
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Scout (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-20-10 08:04 PM Response to Original message |
107. where's the part where we are all required to be microchipped? |
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Better Believe It (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-20-10 10:31 PM Response to Reply #107 |
108. That "reform" is probably several years away and it will be part of Homeland Security "reforms" |
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leftstreet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-20-10 11:49 PM Response to Original message |
110. kick |
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