In memory of Ted Kennedy, this bill MUST pass....

[DainBramaged]

[laughingliberal]

1. Why would we pass a bill that Ted would not have supported in his memory?

Aside from the fact that emotional blackmail just reminds me of my mother (for whom it quit working when I was 12), the Senate HELP committee wrote the bill Teddy wanted and we didn't get anything resembling that.

[Inuca]

3. Teddy would not have supported it?!?!?

You can't be serious! ANd yes, the original HELP version was better, but Teddy had learned a long time ago that you dream and fight for the best and vote for the good and then go on fighting to improve it further. If you think that he would not have been the first to cast his AYE you do not know much about him.

[laughingliberal]

6. That's what I said?!?!?

There, do all the little symbols make it clearer?

Yes, I heard all the Republicans at his funeral pushing the compromise meme. He also had lines he wouldn't cross. I'm certain had he lived and been able to participate he would have gotten us a better bill but I don't think he would have voted for this bill. I don't even think we'd have seen this stinker if he were around. He would never have let it be sold out so badly to begin with.

Now, will this help?

?!!???!!!!!!!??????

[Inuca]

11. The only thing I agree with in what you said is

that had he l;ived the bill would be better. That much we agree on.

[cali]

36. gee, amazing that YOU know what Teddy would have done better than his widow.

that's just amazing. sorry, honey, Vicky says he absolutely would have voted for it.

[WeekendWarrior]

16. +10

Anyone who suggests that Kennedy would not have supported this bill whole-heartedly is just an idiot, plain and simple.

Kennedy was an idealist, but he was also a pragmatist.

[laughingliberal]

20. We would never have seen this level of sellout in the bill if Ted had been there to chair his

committee. And I know a certain young President he endorsed who would have gotten an earful about it before it got to this point.

Theres pragmatism and then there's complete capitulation. They are not the same thing.

[kestrel91316]

26. IMHO you are dead ON.

[WeekendWarrior]

38. I don't disagree, but

the point is, Kennedy would have SUPPORTED and voted for the bill. Even in its current form. He was a pragmatist.

[kestrel91316]

44. What's to disagree about, lol? I SAID you were right on.

[SPedigrees]

5. Teddy would have been the bill's most outspoken supporter

and he would have made sure that all his colleagues in the Senate voted for it.

True we might have had a public option had Senator Kennedy not sadly passed away in an untimely fashion. However had this bill been the surviving one, he would certainly have been behind it. Why? Because he would not stand for millions of Americans dying and going into medical bankruptcy if he could help it.

[laughingliberal]

13. This bill would not have been the surviving bill if he had lived

The point is moot. He did not live and we have a crap bill before us.

As long as we're fantasizing about Ted still being among us, I would have given my eye teeth to be a fly on the wall when Ted heard about the President's deals with the pharmaceutical, hospital, and insurance lobbies at the expense of the American people.

[mindfulNJ]

8. Wrong. He certainly would have supported it.

He was in Washington long enough to know how the process works. Dennis is even on board now.

[tekisui]

10. Teddy may have very well be effective in making the bill

better than it is today, and support it. He would have been a MAJOR part of it. Too bad he didn't make it.

[Inuca]

12. If I were Vicki Kennedy

I would give a monster party the day the bill passes, with lots of laughter and tears and yes, lots of booze.

[laughingliberal]

15. No doubt in my mind it would have been much better

and he would have made mincemeat of Obama's back room deals with the lobbyists at our expense. What a loss.

[onpatrol98]

21. Kennedy Made Deals

Kennedy made deals, too. But, I agree with you. I can't help but believe the deals that he made would've actually benefited us.

With him gone, it seems like there are children in charge, parent's credit card in hand and big smiles all around.

He's an important missing voice from this debate.

[laughingliberal]

22. +1 nt

[DainBramaged]

17. Another expert trying to prevent America from supporting it's people instead of the corporations

[laughingliberal]

23. Up is down

I'd prefer a bill that supports the people over the corporations. We didn't get it.

[DainBramaged]

25. NO, the corporate masters didn't get what they wanted.

go foul up someone else's thread, you insult me.

[laughingliberal]

30. Yes. They did.

Insurer shares, in particular, are zooming. There are three reasons. First, stripped from the Senate bill is the so-called public option — a government health plan that threatened to undersell private insurers. Second, a proposed $6.7 billion industry tax is now likely to be phased in only gradually beginning in 2011, which should give health plans enough time to raise prices accordingly. Third, individuals will be required to purchase insurance — a fine deal for insurance sellers — although critics say the penalties for noncompliance are weak, suggesting many individuals will prefer to remain uninsured.

http://www.progresspolitics.com/2009/12/medical-loss-ratios-and-health-care-reform-this-needs-to-be-fixed/

Perhaps you'd be more comfortable posting in a forum that forbids disagreement.

[DainBramaged]

43. You're spending an awful lot of time disagreeing with the content

makes me wonder about the true intentions......


Cya.

[kestrel91316]

27. If this bill is SO fricking beneficial for the health insurers, why are they so

completely opposed to it?????? If it's so good for corporations, why are the Repukes go against it????

Follow the money.

[laughingliberal]

31. Please see response #30 as to the 'follow the money' and as for the Repukes

they are on record as stating defeating health care reform is their plan for bringing down President Obama's presidency. The details of the bill matter not to them.

Oh, and ?????!!!! Does that make the message more credible?

[LynneSin]

18. Can I have you contact my Grandfather who passed away

Didn't realize you had the skills to communicate with the dead.

I mean that's the only way we would truly know how Ted would have voted.

However, since most other holdouts like Sandars and Kucinich are supporting this bill there is a good assumption that Kennedy would be supporting it too.

[laughingliberal]

24. +1

However, as I said above I don't think it would have been allowed to get this bad if he had been able to chair his HELP committee and been here for the debate. He's the only one I can think of who would have had the power and courage to stand up to the President about the backroom deals.

[LynneSin]

29. But that's what was said about Kucinich

We have no clue what he would think but I do know this - if THIS was the bill presented to Teddy he would be voting for it. What the bill we would be voting on now if Teddy were still alive - we can only make assumptions.

[laughingliberal]

35. True. But Ted Kennedy had infinitely more power in Washington than Kucinich

But it is all speculation. His illness was a tragedy for all of us.

[SPedigrees]

45. Agreed, a tragedy of infinite proportion. nt

[Lorien]

37. +1.nt

[CaliforniaPeggy]

2. I'm with you, my dear DainBramaged...

Yes.

For Teddy.

And for us...

:hug:

[DainBramaged]

19. Thank you my friend

:hug:

[Inuca]

4. My little vow to myself

irrelevant as it may be, I decided to keep Teddy's image (I added it when he left us) in my profile until a bill passes, then I'll revert to no image whtsoever, like before.

[SPedigrees]

7. Oh how I hope to see Teddy's image disappear from your profile, Inuca! nt

[Inuca]

9. :-) Me too n/t

[Sebastian Doyle]

14. Wasn't one of your previous vows

...something about making Chuck "ES&S electro fraud machines CEO" Hagel the Vice-President on the Democratic ticket?

[Inuca]

39. No

Good memory (or search skills) though, congratulations! I like and respect Hagel (and also I don't think he is a crook) and I probably said at the time that I would have no problem if he were selected. I did not think it will happen, and even did not think it should.

What has this to do with the subject at hand though, I fail to see. Just the pleasure of nasty snark?

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[DainBramaged]

53. So you attack me because I honor Ted kennedy?

Amazing.

[mdmc]

28. Poor Teddy

This is one sad ass bill. I know he would support it. But how very sad..

[laughingliberal]

32. I think he would have made sure it was better than this.

And it is very sad.

[mdmc]

41. The bill would have been much better had he been healthy..

[laughingliberal]

42. +1

:cry:

What a loss his illness and death were for all Americans

[mdmc]

48. a vey sad time for me

RIP
John Lennon
Jerry Garcia
Teddy Kennedy

Sad deaths in my time on earth
plus my Grammie..

[Lorien]

33. Ted Kennedy is rolling in his grave over this farce of a bill,

it's NOTHING like what he was pushing for.

[Political Heretic]

34. Ted Kennedy would be ROLLING IN HIS GRAVE over this bill

I'm relieved he didn't live long enough to see this sell-out.

[cali]

40. not according to his widow. And somehow, I think she knew him better

than you do. She's been quite clear that he would have voted for this.

[zippy890]

47. kick for Ted's bill. wish he were here to see it

yes he would support this bill.

[LWolf]

49. Passing a bad bill does not honor his memory. nt

[Orsino]

50. No. Teddy's dead.

He died last year. He died very wealthy. He died with the best of medical care.

If you want this to pass, let it be for the people it actually helps.

[warm regards]

51. Don't you think that people should do things for the living instead?

[pampango]

52. There are many reasons, but that is a good one, DainBramaged. n/t