We told you the teabaggers were more about racism and hate than anything

[cali]

else. These are NOT people we can find common cause with as Nader and Chomsky espouse.

Fuck them.

[bondwooley]

1. Can't find a common cause? I'm wondering if we can find a common ancestor! n/t

[KT2000]

13. Good One!

:toast:

[awoke_in_2003]

20. "I'm wondering if we can find a common ancestor!"

They claim that neanderthal died out around 25k years ago- I sometimes have a hard time believing that :)

[hobbit709]

27. They are members of that subspecies

homo nonsapiens.

[RedCloud]

34. Australopithecus means southern ape. Just a coincidence?

[awoke_in_2003]

64. you may be on to something

:hi:

[bondwooley]

43. The Neanderthal alledgedy died out in France ...

... but if you've every bought men's clothing there, you'll remember that the sleeves are ridiculously long.

Hmm. Makes you wonder!

[Betty Karlson]

63. Don't call the French Neaderthals!

They just voted out their conservative RMP party in the regional elections. Which is something even Massachusetts finds difficult these days.

[bondwooley]

65. I stand corrected! n/t

[meow2u3]

70. The Neanderthals never really died out

They're alive and well, living in Freeperville!

[D23MIURG23]

60. I'm sure we can - the question is how far back. n/t

[The Magistrate]

2. That Is All They Are Or Ever Have Been, Ma'am

Anyone talking 'common cause' with these wretches is an imbecile.

[we can do it]

7. Glad To Hear From You

hope you are well!

[CTyankee]

11. You are so right, Sir. And you are so right that that is all they will be.

Sadly, there will be no addendum to whatever their prophecy will be...I don't think most Europeans are so sympathetic...

[Number23]

40. "Anyone talking 'common cause' with these wretches is an imbecile."

Good Lord, truer words have never been spoken here.

Black and Hispanic members of DU have been saying this since the T-Baggers first raised their idiotic heads. Glad to see that others have caught up as well. :)

[jentz]

3. They're also the worst hypocrites

It seems a lot of them are retired and have been getting checks from the government as well.

[cali]

4. that too.

welcome to DU.

:hi:

[patrice]

5. Some are deserving and some are not and they know exactly which is which, 'cause God says so.

[cal04]

6. and Keith Olbermann did too

Tea Party or white people's party
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036677/#35450228

Beware fear's racist temptation
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036677/#35413662

[CurtEastPoint]

8. Yep, shouting N***ER at MY rep. John Lewis. Real fucking classy.

MFSOBS.

[Political Heretic]

26. Classy? As in "High" Class and "Low" Class?

mmmm...

[Bobbie Jo]

62. As in "NO" class.

Better?

[Walk away]

9. I can't wait for Immigration Reform to really start hitting the news....

Teabaggers are going to have signs and slogans that will make the republican party look clearly like world class racists. Pukes will no longer be able to pretend that it's "about being fiscally responcible". We are about to see who the REAL Nazis are.

[NNN0LHI]

16. They will all be back to wearing their minutemen costumes by then

[guitar man]

58. Minutemen costumes?

Hell, they aren't fooling anybody anymore, they might as well just skip those and go straight to their robes and hoods...,

[proud2BlibKansan]

18. There is an immigrants march in DC tomorrow

Let's see if it gets the attention the teabaggers got.

[OneGrassRoot]

10. Absolutely. n/t

[Bobbie Jo]

12. Fuck them

and their sympathizers.

[Skittles]

14. I agree

I think there's a lot to be dissatisfied these days but it's not conincidental that these teabagging fucks got vocal only when a black president was elected

[SemiCharmedQuark]

15. Yep. Where are all those that said were were "elitists" for saying as much?

[Political Heretic]

37. Still here.

:hi:

[Bobbie Jo]

42. ...

:puke:

[SemiCharmedQuark]

45. Elitist as hell, all those black and hispanic people that see the teabaggers for what they are

:eyes:

Thank you for correcting us on what racism really is.

[Lilyeye]

17. Exactly.

However, I think some people will still be blind. I just saw a poster right here on DU say they've never seen teabaggers go this far and that these were probally staged. Talk about freeper bullshit.

[Mike 03]

19. Agree. The mere notion that Noam Chomsky would ever support someone spitting

on the face of someone they disagree with, or calling them obscene words, is ludicrous.

These new developments are so disturbing that I am not even sure what to say at this point.

[Political Heretic]

31. They are not new developments and people are succumbing to the part/whole fallacy.

In a recent poll that was quoted right here in DU, nearly half the poll respondents said they had at least some sympathy for the tea party objections to government.

Now, unless you think half of the country is all unreasonable racists ready to spit on people, perhaps its time to start thinking about how we can influence people who are tired, frustrated, and feel like no one in either party really gives a shit about them, fed up with hand outs to wall street and hungry for an alternative.

Maybe the problem is we have different limits to who we would include in the definition "teabagger."

If you only think the tiny minority of crazies that show up at these protest count, then YOU BET - I agree, Noam Chomsky agrees, Ralph Nader agrees and every one else agrees that they are a waste of time. The are the extreme of the extreme, many of them driven by racism, and if not racism still abject hatred.

However if you, like me, include a much broader range of people who are influenced by the outrage or the tea party "movement" and who feel betrayed by all of Washington left or right, and feel like they've been hung out to dry by system that cares only about wall street.... then by god they feel damn near like I feel.

And we ought to be talking with and organizing together with people who feel this kind of anger and frustration, even if they are misguided on some of the policy specifics.

If you run into some totally hate filled assholes, great - don't talk to them. But that's little excuse to write off half of America when we actually have so much in common.

It's the constant mistake of the left. The right welcomes ordinary folk in and says "let me give a name and a face to all your anger and frustration." The left says, "You fucking idiots, you're beneath us we don't need you."

[CBR]

33. The right lets in "ordinary" white folk... The two are not synonymous. nt

[Political Heretic]

36. Right down the block from me is a tea party guy - what color do you think he is?

Wrong.

[CBR]

38. Be honest about the composition of that group (estimate -- 98.5% white)

edit: typo

[Political Heretic]

39. I don't think data on that exists, but I'll certainly assume there's a large number of white people.

So what?

There are the tiny number of people making news at protests like this with obscene behavior who are racists and hate-filled and no one - including Chomsky or whatever other name people want to throw around is suggesting they can be reasoned with.

Then there are the much larger number of people that share sympathy with the frustrations and objections of the tea party movement. Dismissing them ALL by saying "their all racist losers" is a pretty sad mistake, imo. Whether they are white or not.

[CBR]

41. The first step in appealing to the "non-racist" ones then should be

to expose the ones representing them in public. If they are not embarrassed by the displays being put forward by this public representation then the basis for their objections has a racial element imo.

[Political Heretic]

47. I agree. That's definitely part of my conservation

One of the first things to talk about with someone who thinks they are sympathetic to or aligned with the aims of the teabaggers is to confront them about the face of the "movement" - and its vile racism and vitriolic hatred.

Convince them that, you can be angry at a government you feel has become deaf to the voice of ordinary people without allying yourself with a movement full of overt racism...

Had this exact conversation with someone not two days ago.

[earth mom]

59. I had a republican say a similar thing to me.

That the majority of the people in this country-both on the left and on the right- are outraged by the rampant corruption in Washington DC.

He thinks that the left AND the right should start a third party together if we really want things to change.

Frankly, I was stunned by some of the things he had to say because some of them were in line with my views.

But after he went off about how much he hates socialism-which pissed me off-is when I began to doubt if there can ever be a meeting of the minds between the left and the right.

[lpbk2713]

21. Mouth breathers.

The Reps who are considering a "No" vote need to also consider they will forever be associated with idiots like this.

[npk]

22. You mean they don't care about the issues

:) That is what Faux News told me.

[Swamp Rat]

23. An evolution of racism in America: Slavery--->Ku Klux Klan--->Paramilitary militias--->Teabaggers

What we have today is a kinder, gentler version of the Ku Klux Klan, ready made and re-manufactured for prime time TV.

Of course, America still practices Manifest Destiny too.

[The Magistrate]

54. Pretty Much, My Friend....

[Swamp Rat]

55. How are you???

I read somewhere that you had surgery. I hope you are feeling better. :hug:

[The Magistrate]

56. A Bit More Frisky, Sir

By no means completely over the surgery, but on the mend, at least.

[Swamp Rat]

57. Thank goodness!

If you ever feel up to it again, DU needs more mods (I read Skinner's thread about needing more DU mods). I cannot think of a better person for the job than you. ;)

[libtodeath]

24. Hatred

is all they have.
It is what defines their lifes and what makes them whole in their minds.

[Political Heretic]

25. And you're still wrong.

:eyes:

[The Magistrate]

29. No, Sir, She Is Absolutely Right

The driving motive behind these people's actions is racism, nothing more and nothing less.

[Political Heretic]

32. Define "these people."

As I said above,

People are succumbing to the part/whole fallacy.

In a recent poll that was quoted right here in DU, nearly half the poll respondents said they had at least some sympathy for the tea party objections to government.

Now, unless you think half of the country is all unreasonable racists ready to spit on people, perhaps its time to start thinking about how we can influence people who are tired, frustrated, and feel like no one in either party really gives a shit about them, fed up with hand outs to wall street and hungry for an alternative.

Maybe the problem is we have different limits to who we would include in the definition "teabagger."

If you only think the tiny minority of crazies that show up at these protest count, then YOU BET - I agree, Noam Chomsky agrees, Ralph Nader agrees and every one else agrees that they are a waste of time. The are the extreme of the extreme, many of them driven by racism, and if not racism still abject hatred.

However if you, like me, include a much broader range of people who are influenced by the outrage or the tea party "movement" and who feel betrayed by all of Washington left or right, and feel like they've been hung out to dry by system that cares only about wall street.... then by god they feel damn near like I feel.

And we ought to be talking with and organizing together with people who feel this kind of anger and frustration, even if they are misguided on some of the policy specifics.

If you run into some totally hate filled assholes, great - don't talk to them. But that's little excuse to write off half of America when we actually have so much in common.

It's the constant mistake of the left. The right welcomes ordinary folk in and says "let me give a name and a face to all your anger and frustration." The left says, "You fucking idiots, you're beneath us we don't need you."

[The Magistrate]

44. There Is No 'Broader range Of People' In This, Sir

This movement flared up solely because a Black man was elected President.

When they denounce bankers and Wall Street, etc., what they mean to say is simply Jews.

[Political Heretic]

46. The Tea Party movement was around before a black man was elected president.

So.... ? Not sure how that jives.

I denounce Wall Street and bankers. Am I an anti-Semite?

[The Magistrate]

48. Not Really, Sir

There were some clowns attending Palin rallies, and there was a remnant of the old Perot movement, and there was a rag-tag of militia flotsam, which like the poor, we shall always have with us, or at least will have with us until state and Federal governments take violent right wing radicals seriously.

You may denounce anyone you want, and there is no need for me to draw the conclusion it is done from anything but a left perspective. For those in this present movement, however, when bankers, etc., are denounced, one should read Jews. You may not like that, but that is your own problem, not mine.

[Political Heretic]

49. They have organized protest every year. Just because you didn't see it on CNN until Obama

says more about CNN and than it does anything else.

I don't think you have any more power to draw a conclusion about my motives than you do about anyone elses.

[The Magistrate]

50. Elements Of This Date Back For Decades, Sir, As Noted

What is your point?

The fact remains these are radical right extremists, to the right of ordinary Republicans on both social and fiscal issues. It is not possible for leftists to make any common cause with them.

If your final statement means it is wrong of me to extend you the benefit of the doubt on the equivalence noted, that will be recalled for the future. Regarding the persons described specifically, the usage bankers, etc., should be read as Jews.

[Political Heretic]

51. You make a declarative statement without any support.

Just because you "declare" that its not possible to make common cause with people who share common grievances, doesn't make it so.

You say criticism of wall street by "these people" which you don't define should be read as "Jews." I'd say that says more about you than it does about them. You cannot offer any support for such a statement - none at all - but it does fit your desired narrative.

As far as your "what is your point" statement goes - you are dismissing it now after suggesting that the tea party movement sprang onto the scene with the election of Barack Obama, and after being reminded that this is inaccurate basically say "oh well who cares?" Obviously I care since you made the statement that is incorrect.

[The Magistrate]

52. You Need More Practice, Sir....

There was nothing that could be dignified with the title 'movement' under the name of 'tea party' before the closing stages of the 2008 election, at which time President Obama's election was considered near certain by all competent observers. You are going to have to adduce proof of your statements to the contrary, if you intend to carry on in this vein.

Catch-phrases like 'your desired narrative' do not impress me in the slightest, and ought not to impress anyone. My opinions are based on close observation over many years: desire has nothing to do with them. You, on the other hand, clearly have a desire here, namely, to promote the idea that a fusion between the radical right and radical left is possible politically, under the rubric of populism. You will be unable to cite any historical examples of such a fusion in the modern era, since none exist. Nor will you be able to describe any special conditions of the present day in this country that make it an exception, contrasting to all previous historical experience.

In political organizing, it is not the grievance but the motive from which it springs that matters. People whose basic orientation is a tribalism of race consciousness and nationalism will not mix with people whose basic orientation is achieving equity and justice. It does not matter if at some particular time both seem on the face of it to be denouncing the same things. They will still shoot one another over the form of remedy, and what is to be considered the new equilibrium once the present difficulties are remedied.

[Name removed]

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[Political Heretic]

35. Define "these people"

The handful you see in a snapshot? Or the near 50% of poll respondents - across party lines - who said that they felt somewhat sympathetic toward the agenda of the tea party?

They ALL KKK 2.0?

[Touchdown]

28. We? You didn't tell me!!!

Why doesn't anybody tell me about these things? :dunce:

Honestly. It's not hard to figure out.

[stuntcat]

53. they are full of hate and ready to fight

I mean really Fight. And by Hate I mostly mean racism. They're ready to attack their fellow Americans. Take it from someone who grew up down South. Maybe at the front f their rallies they have people who can speak complete sentences without much name-calling but behind them there are hundreds of knuckle-dragging pink rednecks who've been ready for this fight ever since Obama was sworn in. It is not about healthcare reform or even about the economy.

[D23MIURG23]

61. K&R

[apocalypsehow]

66. 100% correctemundo. Kick, Rec. n/t.

[Skip Intro]

67. I think some have a real concern about the limits of the federal government's authority

concerns similar to those many of us here, including myself, had when bush was in power

but they are a small percentage - most of the tea partiers are despicable

[Initech]

68. Tea Klux Klan

[Bobbie Jo]

71. +1000

[Blue_Tires]

69. And all the posters who thought we should have forged some unholy alliance

with them or treated them like a legit group with legit political concerns have vanished...