Obama keeps talking about the average american family

[blues90]

When he talks about this healthcare re-form.

What is the definition of the average american family?

Does this define people who still have a job and a house and good income? Children still getting an education?

He said it once again today. He never defines what it really means.

There are many americans who don;t fit this, for the sake of argument , "average american family" and many cannot afford to buy into the pool let alone afford the extremely high cost of meds . There is no mention of dental care and that is part of ones health.

So far , no one has been able to explain how this new plan works. There are bits and pieces tossed out there as if this covers most people.

I would imagine the health ins companies who raised the rate 30 % or more are not going to roll them back and there is no mention of this.

I don't get the entire thing , really I don't.

If you don't have a job what do you do , if you are homeless what does one do. I guess as always these people who ARE people just don't matter in this new world order 21st century as if they ever did matter.

Pardom me , but I get the sense that all this is really about is making history and not the idea that any politician is not concerned of how this plays out politically.

It's always been about how it plays out politically or we would by now have reps that gave a shit about all the people and not their careers which has always been the case. Even if they lose their seat they land well off or in a new position that pays very well.

Crips , Obama just gave close to a trillion to the war machine for one year alone and this is almost to what the so called savings will be in 20 years in healthcare costs.

Trust me if you will , I am no tea party fool or repub yet I have trouble trusting any of this let alone defining what the average american family really is today.

There is reality and there is what we are supposed to believe.

[grantcart]

1. Its clear that you haven't read the bill

26 million people will be eligbile to join new exchanges with new policies, not existing policies and rates.

The OPM will control not only the rates, but also coverage, MLR and the profit margin.

[Donnachaidh]

5. it's pretty clear you haven't read the op

because it wasn't *just* about the bill's talking points.

[truedelphi]

6. Many of the 26 million will be the cream of the crop, young people just out of

College. Age 26 or so, up to age thirty five.

They are the insurance companies' dream customer: healthy and having lower premiums.

But for people in my age group, we are still going to find that we either have to live in our car and pay insurance or pay our rent, (or mortgage), and face the wrath of the mandates. Plus co-pays, plus deductibles.

One hundred and seventy billion in mandate penalites to be paid by "average Americans" between 2013 and 2019..

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

9. Notice it kicks in after 2012 election.

[johnaries]

11. No, that's not true at all.

"we are still going to find that we either have to live in our car and pay insurance or pay our rent, (or mortgage), and face the wrath of the mandates. Plus co-pays, plus deductibles."

Those who can't afford the premiums will receive subsidies to help pay for it. If you still can't afford it, you will be eligible for Medicaid. For those who may be "caught in the middle", they will be exempt from the mandates but can still use the Community Health Centers or "Free Clinics" that will receive increased funding under the bill.

You will NOT be forced to "live in your car" just to pay for insurance. That is a lie as despicable as the "death panels".

edit: kan't spel.

[truedelphi]

14. Marcie Angell seems to say what I do, and she teaches at

The Harvard Medical School.

We could have gotten a really decent bill, but that would have entailed Congress people and Senators that are more about representing their constituents, than taking the lobbyists money.

[eridani]

17. MLR regulation has been tried in 15 states

It has been a total, complete, abject FAILURE!!

[grantcart]

18. and yet it has been 100% successful when run by the OPM for federal employees

The basic change that the bill does is to allow average Americans to buy the same plans that federal employees use.

MLR control by the states isn't going to work becausse they don't have the market to enforce it these exchanges do.

If you look at the companies that participate in mostly federal markets, like Humana, you will find that they are very profitiable and that their MLR is 15 points lower than other companies like CIGNA.

Fact: OPM has successfully controlled MLR for plans for federal employees.

If states could control MLR then we wouldn't need this bill.

[eridani]

21. Really? There are about 300,000 of those who don't subscribe to any plan because they can't afford

I don't see why anybody with any kind of actual moral standards thinks that Platinum, Gold, Silver and Bronze levels are so great. Unequal access = unequal care. I don't appreciate being consigned by you and others to the pile of disposable human garbage not worthy of comprehensive coverage.

There is no national enforcement agency proposed. DiFi tried to get one, but it was shitcanned.

[RB TexLa]

2. Why can't they use the term "average American?" Why does the lifestyle choice of children and

family always have to be a part of it. Sure sounds like there are classes of citizens based on that.

[leftstreet]

3. K&R Somewhere along the line 'families' took the place of 'citizens'

It's always pissed me off

Great post
:thumbsup:

[aquart]

4. Yeah, the phrase always makes me think:

Obey us, we're holding your women and children hostage.

[kestrel91316]

7. i hate how politicians ignore individual persons, like if we aren't in a nuclear

family we don't matter.

I feel very left out at times, and unwanted. i'm sure I'm not the only single person who feels this way, either.

[Hekate]

8. #1 It's a stock phrase. #2 Everybody thinks they personally are the norm. Got it?

[Skittles]

10. are ya getting it?

he never really DEFINES anything - LISTEN to him, really LISTEN

[emilyg]

12. I don't listen anymore.

[Skittles]

13. sometimes I do, because I can pretty much predict his patterns now

oh yeah

[blues90]

19. Those are your words , not mine .

While your on the defense I have listened to him many times and hear the same thing each and every time. Go away Skittles just go away. I listen I hear and I do have a handle on the english language. Perhaps it's you who does not listen , too busy cheering.

[Skittles]

20. I'm too busy cheering?

WTF????

[Raine]

15. Not everyone fits into the same little slot

which is something that those in power always seems to overlook. :argh:

[earth mom]

16. Empty words & empty promises & trillions for the bloodsucking banksters & insurers

That's what "hope & change" bought. :puke: