Have We Democrats Forgotten so Soon ?

[SlingBlade]

Have we forgotten so soon after circling the black hole of corporate fascism
what kept us strong, kept us together and a viable force against eight years of oppression ?

Love your country right our wrong ? When did that become our rallying cry ?

I remember. I remember when we believed that it was noble to be courageous enough
to stand by your country when she was Right, While never forgetting that it was
just as important as loving her enough to tell her when she's wrong.

Today, Our country is Wrong.
Count the cost before celebrating its victory my friends

This current trillion dollar corporate giveaway called Health Care Reform has not only
opened the American Treasury once again to these Corporate raiders.
It has splintered our party to its very core, It has jettisons such long standing Party
issues as a Womens Reproductive Rights, Its core belief that all Americans deserve affordable
health care for themselves and their families. It has cast aside its very core constituents,
those liberals and progressives who have fought so long and so hard to bring about real change
in American politics. It is they who have manned the phone banks, the barricades and walked
the streets of neighborhoods all over America telling it where to look for real leadership.

Those were our faces, our voices and our hearts.

Don't celebrate quite yet you Democrats of the New Democratic Party

The cost are far from being totaled and I fear that those cost will bankrupt you
Not only financially and in terms of districts won or lost but much much more importantly

It may have bankrupted your very soul

[babylonsister]

1. Wow. I'm standing by what is right by supporting HCR for

those who have nothing, or next to it. How is that going against Democratic principles again?

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[midnight]

12. Those that have next to nothing have medicaid. Those who

have insurance via employment have a private co. that denies, or drops coverage. This will continue for adults for at least four more years. So what it means is, that even if you purchase insurance and pay for it for four more years, you still don't have access to affordable care. For those who are not surviving because of this four year window it means they could die. It means corporate profit over a persons life? That is why this bill should not being considered in keeping with Democratic principles. Because in the Democratic party money does not trump peace....

But for those not poor enough for medicaid and not lucky enough to get insurance via work, this bill mandates that you will be given a window of time to purchase insurance or be fined. Same for companies that don't provide insurance, they will be fined too. So choosing to comply might mean going with out food, fixing an appliance or car, and the burden becomes heavy. So we have to begin to wonder why all other countries can do this without doing it on the backs of it's citizens? When does the corporate bottom line become more important than the welfare of it's citizens? This leverage of profit on the backs of the working poor does go against the Democratic principles I was raised with.

Those who believe big mansions, summer homes, multiple cars, and living like kings at the expense of others unlucky enough to be sick is not in keeping with Democratic principles.

Allowing the kings, and the tea baggers to hoodwink us into this bailout goes against our Democratic principles because it does not give those in need equal access to relief.

[Prism]

3. No, it was always the President, right or wrong

Even Bush had his rump. No matter how terrible he was, far too many Americans stood by him. They use the word country as a stand-in for Republican President. It's what they really meant. After all, once a Democrat is in power, suddenly that right or wrong line doesn't apply.

President Obama has his backwash as well. Fortunately, he's somewhat better than Bush, so he enjoys better numbers. But no matter what happens, there will always be that "My President, right or wrong" contingent in any political party. Bush was never considered "my president" for most Democrats. President Obama is very much "my president" for others. They'll go to the mat for him, no matter what he does.

I go to the mat for policies, no personalities. Which is why I don't get on much with so many of my fellow Democrats these days. I didn't find the unquestioning support of Bush odd because he was a Republican. I think that kind of unquestioning support for any politician is odd.

But it is inevitable, and bemoaning it only goes so far. It is what it is, no matter what the party. It will always be with us.

[SlingBlade]

4. PS. Thanks for the Un-Rec, Now I Know I'm Right :)

[SlingBlade]

5. And how many doctors were arrested for supporting this sham ?

[cali]

13. more codswallop. really? being unrecced makes you right? Giant fail.

as is your nonsense about how being in the minority makes you right. The teabaggers are in the minority, so that must make their racism right. Your critical thinking skills are severely lacking.

[SlingBlade]

18. Oh Cali, You always come in like a lamb but go out like a

spit dripping lion. Why is that ?

[cali]

25. I try and suffer fools gladly. I need to work on it some more.

[high density]

6. Turning on the TV and seeing Rove and Cantor spew lies reminds me of why I am a Democrat

I'm just trying to understand if this bill is so great for corporations, why is the US Chamber of Commerce spending millions to lobby against it? Why is Boner telling us it's the end of the country as we know it? (Actually, you sound a lot like Boner.)

[SlingBlade]

7. Imagine That, What took you so long ?

[high density]

8. Great rebuttal, thank you.

Says all I need to know.

[SlingBlade]

16. Com'on Its not the first time now is it high density

[SlingBlade]

9. Thanks for the Un-Rec, That makes four, I'm obviously

Right On !

[cali]

10. lol.

drama queen.

[SlingBlade]

11. lol Right on cue :) Hi cali, Wheres pro sense ?

[cali]

15. hi, whoever you are. (never noticed you before, dear)

beats me where pro sense is.

[SlingBlade]

17. Oh, Well I have this habit of including people on my buddy list

So yea, Your on cue, Trust me :)

[cali]

26. hoping that I'll be tombstoned?

don't hold your breath.

[SlingBlade]

14. Thanks Rahm

[bvar22]

19. The "Centrist" Dems will chalk up a "WIN" today.

There will be much backslapping, high 5s, and victory laps in Washington....
and also in the Corporate Boardrooms of the Health Insurance Industries as the Democratic Party hands them their Trillion Dollars.

This "WIN" will be a Pyrrhic Victory come 2010/2012.

"Yep. We opposed it.
The Democrats raised your premiums and rammed it down your throats.
Vote Republican."

The losses in 2010/2012 ensure that there will be no "Fixing it Later".
We WILL be forced to live with this for a long time.
The For Profit Health Insurance Industry WILL be the gateway to Health Care in America.
The Health Insurance Industry will enjoy Mandated Profits for a long time.
Any pesky "regulations" will be dispense with by the same Locust Plague of Lawyers & Lobbyists occupying Washington today.

In President Roosevelt's January 11, 1944 message to the Congress of the United States on the State of the Union, FDR emphatically insisted that each American has "The right to adequate medical care and the opportunity to achieve and enjoy good health".

The HCR Bill does NOT establish or even acknowledge this basic Right for American citizens.
The only RIGHT this bill establishes is the RIGHT for Health Insurance Corporations to make a PROFIT off of sick people.

Yes. There will be much celebrating in Washington.
The Democrats will praise each other for their "heroism" and "great courage".
....but it will be a sad day for Old Style "Democrats" who believe that the "right to adequate medical care and the opportunity to achieve and enjoy good health" is a basic human RIGHT, and SHOULD be a central plank in the Platform of the Party that asks for our votes.

Americans will be forced to accept Far LESS than what is taken for granted in every other civilized country IN THE WORLD.... because most of our politicians lack the courage to do what is right.

K&R

[ixion]

21. spot on

I'm sad to say. I really can't believe people are supporting this garbage.

[Citizen Kang]

23. They are suporting it

because its a political win. Not because it is going to further enslave us to the corporations and not because it does nothing to drive down actual health care costs.

Forcing people to buy a worthless product from a private corporation...a product that will do nothing to keep health care costs affordable.....that is what the Democratic Party has become.

I haven't left the party. The Party left me!

[SlingBlade]

22. Yep. And all with a Democratic Majority mind you

The choices Rahm and company are offering us here is total bullshit
Here they'll say, Choose between this dying person or this CEO. What Shit !

They killed Single Payer Medicare for all, Not us.
I do not accept their choices.

[eridani]

27. +1000 n/t

[ixion]

20. very well said, and a truly poignant point

that seems to be escaping many.

[dana_b]

24. K&R

Millions still won't be able to afford this "reform" and will be left out. It will save some (thank God - that's the ony saving grace and the only reason I have come to sort of accept its passing) but some will still die. We still need to point this out for what it is - a giveaway to the insurance companies. Until ALL people are covered and don't have to choose between their care and eating, housing and the basics of life, we need to point out that they (politicians and corporations) are not doing this for our benefit. They are doing this to make money and to appear to be doing something for the little people. Keep fighting for universal, single payer health care.