After watching the baggers, it's so clear that their abortion cr@p is just racism.

[EFerrari]

It's just one more coded expression of white supremacy, just like calling Obama a "socialist" and saying "he's not like us", just like targeting ACORN because they help black people vote, it all winds up being about white power for these creeps.

I know there are people who do feel abortion is a moral issue. But that small group of people who feel something is immoral are also aware that other people have to follow their own inner lights. They don't buy billboards about baby killing because they know no billboard would change their own mind.

The people who stalk doctors and wave gross signs and buy billboards are just finding a socially sanctioned way to express their bigotry. They're the same people that take beer coolers and lawn chairs and guns to stalk Mexican immigrants. They're racists.

And watching the Republican side of this boil down to Stupig and abortion language, supported by screaming teabaggers waving racist images of the president just brings the whole farce right into broad daylight. Frank Schaeffer told me that there is no issue that generates the same heat on the right as abortion. And this is why -- because it's not about abortion.

[left coaster]

1. Yeah, that's right..

RW asshats weren't against women exercising authority over their own bodies before Obama came along.

[EFerrari]

2. It's not that. It's that Obama being around brought the underlying

stuff into the light.

[LiberalLoner]

3. Respectfully disagree. Right-wingers have always been sexist AS WELL as racist. rop

Basically right-wingers have always hated: non-whites, gays, liberals/intellectuals, Jews or any non-Christians (and any Christians not of their particular faith), people with a college education, women, anyone who comes from a foreign country. There are probably other groups they hate but those are the ones I know about that they hate so much they would commit violence in order to harm.

[EFerrari]

5. Oh, I agree. But their glue is racism. That's what keeps them together

more than any other of their bigotries. I'm in no way claiming they are not sexist @ssholes, too. But sexism doesn't make them get on a bus and drive for hours to go spit on black members of Congress.

If you take the example of calling Obama a socialist, it isn't only the ignorance it seems to be. It's code.

[LiberalLoner]

12. I think racism is their glue at the moment and one of the strongest forces keeping them together but

I think if Hillary had won, we would be seeing lots of the B word and C word signs and the sexism would be more apparent.

For example, two Christmases ago, at a military hail and farewell party where there were joke gifts exchanged, a popular gift was a Hillary nutcracker. That was pretty obviously sexist. The most popular toy at present I guess would be something racist.

It just depends on the target that is in the spotlight, whether sexism is at the fore or racism or anti-gay or anti-Catholicism or what have you.

[EFerrari]

14. Yes, I saw that object. And I agree that the target of opportunity

will get the most attention.

But at bottom and since the late 30s, what the Republicans have had is racism. That's their deep logic.

I never really understood that the real energy behind their abortion insanity was the fear of being deprived of their majority status until today. It's pretty crude and I'm saying it pretty crudely, too. :)

[LiberalLoner]

17. Oh, okay, I see what you are saying. Yup, I think the racism is probably the strongest strand

in their web of hate. Please do read the post I made about what senior military officials are talking about and sending around...I know what I am talking about because my husband is pinning on 0-6 in a few months and has been privy via the Army War College to this kind of stuff....

I think it is really dangerous how the top leadership of our military is outright fascist at this point.

The younger people aren't - Captains and below - but the General Officers are for the most part a really scary bunch. Same with most of the 0-6's. Time will tell...I pray we will not have a military coup but I am not confident that won't happen...

[EFerrari]

19. My grandfather was also an officer in a military

that had been corrupted from the top down. Dangerous times. Congratulations to your husband. :)

[LiberalLoner]

21. Thank you. He is the lone liberal among the fascists. :(

[EFerrari]

22. It takes a lot of strength to do that. How many years, LiberalLoner?

[LiberalLoner]

23. 18, but by accepting the promotion he incurs a few more years of service.

He almost got into a fistfight with one of his fellow officers who told him that because he is a liberal, he has no place in the Army - that the Army is only for right-wingers. Soon that same officer will have to call him "sir." I love it.

I think this will resolve itself in time as long as there is not a military coup. The under 40 crowd is much more liberal than the over 40 crowd of soldiers as a whole.

In ten years the young liberal officers who are now Captains will become the Colonels and the General Officers. Then there will be no danger of a military coup.

My husband says there really is no danger now, because the younger soldiers (the enlisted soldiers who make up the bulk of the military) love President Obama and would not obey orders to overtake the government.

[EFerrari]

24. If it's any comfort, most coups these days are done economically

not militarily.

And it's good to hear our young people have their heads on straight. You guys hang in there. We need you and appreciate you. :yourock:

[LiberalLoner]

25. Thank you. Yeah, I worry the economic coup is underway. :(

Oh I was in the Army too, got out after the Gulf War as a Captain. I was a liberal the whole time too, LOL. Did not fit in, sigh...

[EFerrari]

26. During the Gulf War, I think my mom and I were the only people in the whole Santa Clara Valley

that did not wear a yellow anything. ETA: Because it seemed to us that the public was being fooled into agreeing with the aggression by being baited with our service people and that was infuriating. (The dirty secret of the San Francisco Bay Area is that defense contractors are the backbone of our economy, iirc.) That was the first war where the Pentagon succeeded in controlling the information the public got from the media.

There two generations alive today that never saw the Viet Nam coverage.

[LiberalLoner]

27. That's true! Actually I was in theater but not part of the war effort - was in the MFO peacekeeper

[gmoney]

4. Not sure I follow you on this...

wouldn't racists encourage minority women and immigrants to have abortions to cut down on their numbers?

I can see them discouraging white women from having abortions to keep the numbers up...

[treestar]

6. True

I've met at least one. Against abortion, but . . . not so against it when it came to women on welfare. And course in the views of right wingnuts, women on welfare are always - you guessed it, black

[EFerrari]

10. During the Reagan years, minority women were offered sterilization

when they applied for welfare. But, otoh, I don't know to a certainty that they were encouraged more than poor white women. It would be something to look into, anyway.

[Taverner]

8. True. In Nazi Germany, Abortions were mandatory for Jews, Illegal for Aryans

[EFerrari]

9. It's not entirely rational, as far as I can tell. They don't want black women

to have ANYTHING, including health care of any kind.

[Joanne98]

7. Yep.

[EFerrari]

11. I'm just putting this together so I'm sorry if I'm not being very clear. n/t

[LiberalLoner]

13. No, no, don't apologize, you are just kind of thinking out loud here which is good...rop

I think you are right that racism is what we are really seeing bubbling to the top...but I still think that if Hillary had won, we would see less racism but more sexism.

I think it just depends on which target the right-wingers are trying to shoot down. Right now because a black man is President, they are primarily focusing their rage on race. If Hillary had won, they would be focusing their rage on sex. If a Jewish man had won, they would be focusing on anti-semitism.

[LiberalLoner]

15. I can tell you that among the senior leadership (0-6 and above) of the military, there are

lots of memos and speeches given concerning the demise of Western Europe and how it is a shame that white European women aren't having more babies.

There are even memos being distributed that advocate taking birth control (as well as abortion of course) away from women so more white women will breed, and limiting education for women so that they will have more babies, etc.

Yes, General Officers are sending this crap around to their junior officers to read, letting them know what direction politically they are supposed to go in.

[EFerrari]

16. Wow. We're so far down the rabbit hole. n/t

[Gman2]

18. By removing the social safety net, they intend to encourage poor/minorities NOT to

procreate. And to punish poor women that keep their children.

[EFerrari]

20. If the teabaggers were a mixed group of the religious, it would make

sense that the Republican obstruction came down to abortion language.

But the teabaggers are disgruntled white supremacists. :shrug: