Can they name this bill after Teddy? The Kennedy Health Care Bill?

[Happyhippychick]

Or is that a ridiculous notion?

[Oceansaway]

1. TeddyCare ?...n/t

[EFerrari]

2. Maybe Aetna has an opinion about that.

[Sebastian Doyle]

3. That would be about as ridiculous as naming the "Patriot Act" after Thomas Jefferson

As Jefferson wouldn't have found it suitable to wipe his ass with. Which is about how Teddy would have felt about this pathetic sellout.

[Individualist]

6. +1

[cali]

8. Why are some of you so overwhelmingy arrogant as to think YOU

know better what Teddy would have felt better than his widow?

[tigereye]

16. you go, Cali

I think he would have loved to see universal health care for all (they just showed a clip of JFK in 1962 talking about how crazy we were not to have it then, compared to European nations), but I think it's a good thing to have this bill as a start to cover more people.

[WillyT]

20. I Don't... But I Do Know This...

Teddy didn't get live long enough to see even this luke warm gruel of a bill get passed.

Some of us, apparently naively so, thought that the change and hope we were voting for might lead to single-payer being passed sometime before WE croak!

I guess the change will be incremental after all...



:shrug:

[frustrated_lefty]

10. +2

[ThomWV]

15. +3

[pnwmom]

4. I don't know but I like the idea. n/t

[Oregone]

5. The irony

After he worked his ass off offering multiple viable alternatives to the NHIPA (the Republican's idealogical framework for this bill), and then following up with single payer bills many times over the next 3 decades

[nickinSTL]

7. I wouldn't want it to be

save that for what I hope will eventually come - a bill that will really guarantee health care for all - rather than this mess.

Don't get me wrong, I support passing this - but it's not enough, not by a long shot.

I don't think Ted would be pleased.

[onenote]

9. you don't think Ted would be pleased? Do tell us about your close relationship with him.

[nickinSTL]

11. I don't see why my comment is being targeted

any more than those who think the bill should be named for him saying they think he'd be happy with it.

Aside from the fact that I don't agree.

[onenote]

14. please point out which posts purport to know what Teddy would want

Some folks have posted that they would like to see the bill named for Teddy. But I don't see them claiming that they know whether Ted would want that or not. If you had said you don't think it should be named for Ted and stopped, I wouldn't have commented. BUt you offered up your view of what Ted would want -- something the other posters suggesting the bill be named for him did not do.

[nickinSTL]

19. apparently none in this thread

and as I'm not a donor, I can't search to find where I saw those comments - a quick look at threads didn't do it.

I did, however, find this post which supports my point:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=433&topic_id=234834&mesg_id=235412

[Odin2005]

12. No, Teddy supported REAL reform, not a bailout of the insurance industry parasites.

[Edweird]

13. Newt Gingrich care would be the most appropriate, but this is actually to the right of him.

http://healthca.newamerica.net/blogposts/2008/reform_newt_gingrich_on_free_riders_and_the_individual_mandate-18127

"The reality of an individual mandate (when coupled with subsidies so that insurance is affordable and market reforms so that coverage is accessible), is that it would not only address the "free rider" problem, but also serve as a tool to enhance insurance market competition. When combined with market reforms and subsidies, the mandate would help move insurers away from a business model that relies on marketing and underwriting and towards a strategy that involves competing for customers based on performance and price. This is a good thing...and something those in favor of market competition could get behind."

Hell, his mandate was only for people making $75,000+/yr.

[quakerboy]

17. I am supporting the passage of this bill

Despite the very distasteful process that got us here, despite the personal harm it is likely to do me, despite the fact that it does not accomplish ANY of the goals that I personally had on my priority list. I support it because we as Americans aren't going to get better, and we don't care to do what is necessary to get better.

But putting Teddy's name on this POS that has been dumped down our throats would be absolutely the last straw in hypocrisy, for me. Its only symbolic, but its wrong. It would be a step to far. That would be right up there with the Bush admins "Healthy Forests Initiative" and the "Clear Skies Initiative".

If a bill was going to carry his name, it should be worthy of that name. This bill is not.

[Dappleganger]

18. Are you saying that Teddy wouldn't have voted for this bill?

Because based on his voting history I think he would have voted for it and would have seen it as a beginning.