I hope everybody knows we need to defend Stupak

[Joanne98]

The anti-abortion Susan B. Anthony List group announced tonight they will strip Rep. Bart Stupak of the "Defender of Life" award that he's received several times. The group blasted Stupak's role in forging a compromise with the White House on abortion language in an executive order and said he is no longer truly "pro-life."

The group says President Obama's executive order was "unacceptable" and they are redoubling efforts to elect "true" pro-life candidates.

SBA List Candidate Fund President Marjorie Dannenfelser issued a statement saying the group had been planning to honor Stupak (D-MI) for his efforts at their Campaign for Life Gala scheduled for Wednesday. "We will no longer be doing so. By accepting this deal from the most pro-abortion President in American history, Stupak has not only failed to stand strong for unborn children, but also for his constituents and pro-life voters across the country," Dannenfelser said in the statement.

Women's groups criticized Obama for the order as well.

The SBA List statement said lawmakers who vote for the health care bill "can no longer call themselves 'pro-life.'"

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/03/pro-life-group-strips-stupak-of-award.php


There is NO WAY in Hell that we can let them use him as an example "Of what will happen if you vote with them".

I'm calling it the "Stupak Line"

Even though he's a pain in the pro-life ass. He's OUR pain! NOT theirs.

I'm supporting the pro-life Dems that voted YES 100%

[kenny blankenship]

1. That asshole is on his own.

[Solly Mack]

2. lololol

[saltpoint]

3. I say we just turn him over to the nuns and let them decide what to

do with him.

[Swamp Rat]

4. I wouldn't piss on him if he was on fire.

[TK421]

5. OUR pain? That's exactly who we DON'T need in our party!

fuck this, and fuck him

[Joanne98]

13. But he came around and delivered. We have to at least respect that.

[The Magistrate]

14. No, Ma'am: He Has To Go

If he is hit by his erstwhile allies as well, so much the better.

"You can't even pay these people to protect you from themselves!"

[Joanne98]

21. But until he goes we have to defend him. We CANNOT let the right

make an example out of him.

[The Magistrate]

30. He Is Under Attack From The Left, Ma'am, With A Solid Primary Opponent

He is going to go down, and which side makes the fatal cut is immaterial, so long as the attack comes from both directions....

[Joanne98]

33. I know that.

[Kaleva]

59. How solid is the primary opponent?

I haven't been able to find sources where Connie Saltonstall has expressed her posiiton on issues such as NAFTA, Iraq/Afghanistan, the Assault Weapons Ban, Michigan's 2004 ballot initiative which banned gay marriage in the state and the Hyde Amendment. She seems to accept the Hyde Amendement becasue of this statement in her campaign website:

"No federal funds have been used for abortions since 1977, and that provision will stay in effect without his amendment."

[The Magistrate]

60. She Is Good Enough For Me, Sir

She offers a fair chance at removing this wretch to the oblivion he so richly deserves; my interest extends no further.

[liberalhistorian]

31. Tough shit. He's been kowtowing to the right

for awhile now, he brought this totally on himself. He made his bed, he can fucking lie in it. And his "change" had nothing to do with his "standing up for his principles", it had to do with him recognizing how angry even many of his allies and many in his party are with him and realizing he had to do some damage control. Again, he made his fucking bed, he can damn well lie in it.

I'll give you one thing, you do show courage by posting this here.

[JVS]

57. He's indefensible.

[TK421]

19. NO...FRIGGING....WAY are you even serious in what you just posted

complete, total party loyalty above principle? Perhaps this seems to be the way to you as of late, but that is not the Democratic Party. I'm not standing in lock-step with anyone like Stupak...neither should you

edited to add: I've liked many of your posts here, I just totally disagree with this one, I'm taken aback by it, really

[Dappleganger]

20. So? We didn't need him.

He's a grandstanding republican who's on the wrong side of the aisle. What else has has done for the democratic party?

[TK421]

23. You might as well call him mini-Lieberman n/t

[robinblue]

29. yeah, and he wants all women to DELIVER!!

[suffragette]

32. I've been meaning to say this to you all day, robinblue

Welcome to DU!
:hi:

[robinblue]

36. Thank you very much.

[laughingliberal]

68. Me too!

:applause:

[JerseygirlCT]

44. Yeah, after he did everything he could with his

grandstanding to eliminate a very basic right for women.

He gets none of my pats on the back. He's an ass, and an arrogant one, and if he ends up being squeezed by both sides, well, all for the good, I say.

As I said elsewhere, my tent isn't big enough to hold anti-choice zealots.

[DURHAM D]

6. very funny

He just wanted attention - he got it.

He deserves no support from Dems.

[msongs]

7. all non progressives need to be primaried n removed. One vote in a lifetime is not sufficient nt

[suffragette]

8. You did forget the drippy sarcasm icon, didn't you?

[robinblue]

38. I did a double take when I read the OP comments. Whow.

[suffragette]

51. Wow is right

I thought the statement had to be a joke at first, but it shows how contorted the act of over-compromising, once begun, can become.

[Liberal Veteran]

9. I'll get right on that. But I have a long list of things more important.

My cat needs to be petted.
I could use a pedicure.
I think I saw a bit of dust behind the toilet.
I lost a black grain of sand in my yard somewhere and I have to find it.

[Bolo Boffin]

10. My goodness, I'm hearing a bunch of Republican plagiarists on the floor...

...mouthing Dannenfelser's "True Scotsman" bullshit.

Having a hard time working up any sympathy for Stupak personally.

[tigereye]

11. gawd, how dare they call themselves SB Anthony

exasperating. :grr:

[Joanne98]

12. What he did was very brave. Look at the Republicans.

They had ZERO defections!

If Stupak had been a GOP mole he would have never changed his vote.

We have to face it. We have religious people our party!

[robinblue]

39. He has shown he is not worth the time of day to the Dems.

[eShirl]

46. there are plenty of religious progressive people in the party

or do only conservative religious count in your book?

[spanone]

15. fuck em all...

[PeaceNikki]

22. This ^

Fuck the DFLA.

[laughingliberal]

16. I could give a flying 'F' what happens to C streeter Bart Stupak. nt

[Joanne98]

17. I have to say that when I look over to other side of troops. I see ONE army

That pulls ALL the weight. That is the Christian right. They are the troops. They have the power and they are the ones we need to defeat.

Pulling them into OUR camp it smart.

[suffragette]

28. "Defeating" them by pulling them into "our camp"?

And pushing us even more to the right and away from our principles?

Thanks, I watched "Jesus Camp" and want no part of it.

Better to support his progressive challenger in the primary.

But, support him? :crazy:

[Joanne98]

34. They're not all like Jesus camp. That's Sarah Palin territory.

[suffragette]

43. I'd rather strengthen our camp by supporting progressives

who will support the rights of all people, including women.

Supporting politicians like Stupak and compromising party positions by courting factions that do not share them is suicide by a thousand cuts.

No thanks to that.

[Toasterlad]

37. "Pulling them into OUR camp it smart."

That Is The Most Asinine Thing I Have Ever Heard Anyone Say In My Entire Life.

EVER.

[JerseygirlCT]

45. And Stupak is already solidly in their camp

He can't belong to both.

[eShirl]

47. stop worshipping them

[kitkat65]

65. At what cost?

The right wooed the religious into their camp to conglomerate their power and while it has worked, look at what it has created? Unquestioning loyalty based on hypocritical family values and holier-than-thou conservatism. The right uses their constituents religion to get them to vote against their own interests every time. And the monster they've created we can see now in the Palins and the Teabaggers.

You'd be a fool to sell out the major part of your base just to try bring in a demographic that would rather eat glass than vote for anyone with a (D) by their name.

[Motown_Johnny]

18. I disagree, he wanted to grandstand and bluff his way to fame..

well here ya go.

[Joanne98]

24. It was a hard vote. They delivered at the end. I'm going to support them.

I don't care what anybody thinks.

[bigwillq]

25. No can do.

I want him defeated.

[truebrit71]

26. Like hell we do...

..sick and tired of DINO's like him..

[a la izquierda]

27. not. a. chance.

[Tailormyst]

35. I won't defend him. I am not a hypocrite.

He is an anti-choice, anti-woman asshole. He doesn't get a pass on that just because he voted yes on the health insurance bill.

[liquid diamond]

40. I can't wait until this asshole is voted out of office, and he isn't the

only "dem" I want gone.

[Warpy]

41. Fuck that shit

I've already donated to his primary opponent, Connie Saltonstall, and plan to again after the money comes in next month.

Were I living in his district, I could not in all conscience vote for that man. He was willing to damage this whole country because of HIS RELIGIOUS DOGMA. This is wrong.

He gets no support from me, ever. I want him out of office, preferably replaced by Ms. Saltonstall.

[JVS]

55. You've got the right idea. We want a primary opponent to issue the defeat that removes him.

[WillyT]

Don't Worry... The President Will Defend Him...

I won't, but the President will, and Stupak will take that deal I'm pretty sure.

:shrug:

[suffragette]

48. And DLC will likely fund him

And that will suck.

[suffragette]

56. Willy T, meant to reply to you with #48 but it was posted as response to OP

Don't know how I did that.
And it happened again.
Can't seem to reply to your post directly.

[WillyT]

58. Actually... According To My Screen... You Did

My post came up with no number, just #.

It looks fine on my screen.

And thanks!!!

:hi:

[suffragette]

61. Odd, mine says "original message"

Probably just a glitch due to increased posting. I imagine more of us are online right now than usual.

[Kaleva]

42. I'll be supporting and voting for Stupak.

Stupak voted against NAFTA.

Stupack voted against the IWR.

Stupack voted for the non-binding resolution disapproving of Bush's plan for the surge in Iraq.

Stupak voted for Kucinich's bill to end the war in Afghanistan.

Stupack was endorsed by the following unions in 2008:

International Union of Operating Engineers, Local 324
Michigan State AFL-CIO
Michigan Teamsters Joint Council No. 43
National Association of Social Workers
National Treasury Employees Union (NTEU)
Service Employees International Union (SEIU)
United Auto Workers (UAW)

Progressive Punch rates Stupak as "acceptable".

The National Journal rates Stupak as left of center.

The American Conservative Union gives Stupak a very low score.

Stupak's primary challenger, Connie Saltonstall, has expressed doubts she can defeat the Republican nominee this fall.

The President of NOW has said replacing Stupak with a Republican doesn't do anyone any good.

[Bluebear]

49. "Defend" him against what, exactly?

[Owl]

50. Ah, no.

[RainDog]

52. I'm going to be working to help unseat his ass

he brought up this shit and he can go home and stay there for his position that shows he views women's rights as negotiable.

[Crunchy Frog]

53. You misspelled the word "defund".

[JVS]

54. ROFL!

No.

[Bluebear]

63. :)

[kitkat65]

62. Fuck Stupak

That piece of shit tried to hold up healthcare reform to push his own religious beliefs on the public. A woman's right to choose is a Democratic principle so why the fuck is he in the Dem party anyway? He did it before and he'll do it again so let him go Republican or Independent. When I vote for the Democratic candidate, I shouldn't have to wonder if the person I'm voting for is really who they say they are.

[Political Heretic]

64. Ahem.... I respond to you with a picture:

[midnight]

66. Joanne I'm going to rec. this because that pain is ours. But he has got to

get it together with separation of church and state....

[BurtWorm]

67. He's on his own.

:nopity:

[Odin2005]

69. FUCK STUPAK!!!

[demmiblue]

70. Hell no... he is not my pain.

:wtf:

[kjackson227]

71. I absolutely respect Stupak for standing up for his beliefs...

and, I hope I would've still respected and supported him if he had caused the HCR bill to fail. It would've been an extremely tough decision. I'm just glad that it didn't come to this.

[freddie mertz]

72. I don't think so.

He can go take a hike with the rest of the woman-hating fools.

[Prism]

73. Women's freedoms are not a political football

This shouldn't even need explaining in the Democratic Party, but here we are.

[Eyerish]

74. Fuck him...

He made his bed, now he has to lie in it.

If you want to claim Stupak as yours and defend him then that's your choice...

[Orsino]

75. I hope Stupak realizes that he needs to start defending us.

If not, he is welcome to whatever love he gets from those anti-choice freaks.

[CTyankee]

76. Dear god, Joanne! There is NO WAY I will support that man.

It will be a cold day in hell before I will have anything further to do with him.

Go away...