As distasteful as it may be, we have to back up Stupak and others who came around...

[scheming daemons]

It's no secret here that I don't like Dennis Kucinich... I think he's a grandstander who's more interested in portraying himself as politically pure than in getting things done.


But he came around on the HCR bill, so he has earned my support.


I'm pro-choice and consider people like Stupak to be disingenuous assholes who have no right to legislate what women can or cannot do with their reproductive systems....


But he came around on the HCR bill, so if we abandon him in 2010 we'll never get support from the middle again on any other issue.

[Frances]

1. When someone yelled Babykiller at Stupak,

my heart softened just a bit for Stupak

[bridgit]

19. Yeah, I remember thinking that's messed up, but I felt like telling him there they are, Bart...

Them's the ones that were playing you the whole time

[MindandSoul]

2. I agree! Both men came around and when it mattered. . .they were there!

Especially Stupak who was instrumental in avoiding that stupid last attempt by the Reps to stop reconciliation!

I thought Stupak's speech was very good. . . he seemed sincere and he told the Reps that they were hypocrites!

Now, do we know yet who called him a "baby killer?" He didn't deserve that!

[DJ13]

3. No we dont

They stood in the way of real reform, dont go all soft on the blue dogs and DLC'ers just because they got what they wanted passed.

Vote in real Democrats.

[Cary]

5. We won today.

Can't you find even one good reason to not be miserable about it?

Sheesh.

[DJ13]

8. This win wouldnt have taken a year without those same clowns you want to reward

And it would have ended up a far better bill too.

[Cary]

10. Maybe.

Why be miserable about what ifs when we just got the most significant legislation passed in the last 40 years? This is absolutely huge and paves the way toward bigger and better things.

[DJ13]

15. Im not, but why bandwagon for conservative Dems?

Sure they helped pass this, but they passed exactly the legislation they actively worked towards by stalling and back room deal making.

Reward them with some sort of loyalty for what, getting the deal THEY wanted?

[sufrommich]

22. If you knew anything about the district Stupak

represents, you would know that it's quite a feat to have a Democratic representative. Stupacs votes have been good votes, other than his anti abortion stance. I guarantee if it wasn't for Stupak's ability to juggle both the left and right side of his constituents,his district would go to the republicans.

[Cary]

4. Logic and reason will get you nowhere. . .

against the stupid.

[stuball111]

6. Hooray for Nancy!

I agree, I like Dennis because he supported full Universal coverage, but that was unrealistic An approach such as an introduction to it would be more possible, and build on that. I think Stupak is a worm,and I think HE was grandstanding. I agree that NO male has the right to legislate women and their choices. I think the best approach is for the Democrats to fine tune who runs in elections, pick more left of center candidates, and close the door on bluedogs. As for Nancy Pelosi, Great Woman!

[ScreamingMeemie]

7. Go right on ahead with your bad self.

I'll stay here and continue to try to get affordable health insurance.

[katandmoon]

9. The fuck we do. I'll never support an anti-choice candidate.

[left coaster]

11. Same here. Stupak can still eff off, as far as I'm concerned. nt

[mwrguy]

12. I'll support him

in a back alley with a coat-hanger.

Fuck that guy.

[ruggerson]

13. I don't owe jack shit to anybody

Least of all anti-choice garbage.

[readmoreoften]

14. Uh. No.

[upi402]

16. MSNBC interrupted him! I wanted to hear his statement so badly

:mad:

[lib_wit_it]

17. Throwing in with all the majority:eff Stupak--defeat the Blue Dogs. Out with them all! Stop the

slippery slope to the right. Every Blue Dog would have been a Republican not too many years ago.

[suffragette]

18. No, we don't

We can choose to support those who care about all our rights.

Anyway, I'm sure the DLC will take care of him.

[Stinky The Clown]

20. I would argue your use of the descriptor "middle" as you apply it to Stupak

He is an extremist.

His vote was the result of threats made by House leadership.

[tsuki]

21. No, I don't. I sent money to his primary opponent and will support her.

His C-Street cult connections and open misogyny makes my support impossible.

[City Lights]

23. I will never support Stupak.

Ever.

[tekisui]

24. Eww, no. Purge the ConservaDems.

[Stinky The Clown]

25. This is much like supporting your abuser.

They often send flowers after they abuse.

[RainDog]

26. NO WAY

Stupak GETS NO SUPPORT.

He is the one who made this an issue. He is the one who declared himself the enemy of women.

so, he declared war and I hope he is a casualty of it when the primary votes are counted.

I cannot believe people on this site who claim that this ASSHOLE deserves support!!!!!!

He lost ANY support he will ever get from me. And I hope that other women join me in helping to unseat him.

[demmiblue]

27. Another: hell no!

[Orsino]

28. "Back him up" how? "Support" him how?

He helped weaken this bill. We can thank him for eventually voting for the result, but this fucker needs primarying, frankly.

He played the worst sort of politics with the health of our children, friends and loved ones.

He did it for money, and not based on anything I'd call principle.

[BurtWorm]

29. Why?

Would we have to back any Republicans who came around?

[butterfly77]

30. Fuck that shit...

that mf had the bill tied up just like some others and they think we are going to forget...He made us go through some unnecessary stress and time..