It is unreal that Obama caved in to Stupak instead of throwing us progressives a bone. nt

[grahamhgreen]

[Aramchek]

1. yeah, reaffirming Hyde was such a cave

:sarcasm:

get over yourself for a moment.
what happened today is going to save thousands of lives.
maybe even someone you know.

[Cha]

4. Shh..don't try to enlighten..

it will only fall on deaf ears. That's the excuse some are trying to use who always attacked the President.

Either willfully ignorant or just ignorant.

[bridgit]

6. That's how it played here

[grahamhgreen]

7. The point is he could have given progressives a PO instead of limiting choice.

Don't kick us whle we're down.

We're entitled to our grousing

[nemo137]

13. As much as the Stupak amendment is a crap deal

it's not nearly the same scale as a PO. The PO isn't "throwing a bone."

[truedelphi]

18. He would have to be a totally different person

to do that. Someone who is not into the back room deals, like those pointed out by the Huffington reporter.

Our Congress people and Senators would have to be different too.

And the media would have to be honest and caring about the needs and rights of the Average American, so that when a politician says something like "Well, uh, the Universal Single Payer Health Care provisions would be the best and most logical solution for this crisis IF WE WERE STARTING FROM SCRATCH. But since we already have a system in place, a system that we must preserve, then we have to instead create a more uniquely American solution to the health care crisis."

That sentence doesn't even make sense from the stand point of logic, does it? We are in crisis, but we must preserve the various aspects of the crisis that have created the crisis? (The classic, "must make omelet, but must not break eggs," style of thinking.) But the above is one of the strongest things that Barack Obama has ever said about how he views the health care crisis.

[Jax]

14. Yes MALE. It IS a CAVE.

Alyce

[Aramchek]

19. this bill was never intended to fund abortion, Human

[sandnsea]

2. Well the bill increases clinic funding to $11 billion

so there's a bone for you.

http://www.speaker.gov/pdf/KEYIMPROVEMENTS.pdf

[FrenchieCat]

3. Do you get sleeper cell vacation?

[yodoobo]

5. Obama just gave us the whole dinosour

and threw the conservatives a bone.

[upi402]

8. yeah, no

Don't think that flies actually

[Old and In the Way]

9. Stupak's had his day in the limelight.

I think ol' Bart will head back to the back bench where he'll focus on trying to retain his seat. His grandstanding didn't really change anything, but he might have made his re-election prospects much more difficult. I only hope Obama didn't promise to campaign for him in the primary.

[Hekate]

10. Stupak caved, not Obama. The Hyde Amendment has been the law of the land since 1976

Despite all of the RW screeching and Left Wing handwringing, all that Obama has agreed to is to continue the law that has been on the books for 34 years.

My pro-choice congresswoman, Lois Capps, authored an amendment (the Capps Amendment) very early on reaffirming the Hyde Amendment in an attempt to keep the abortion war out of this health care bill. It was a vain attempt, but that's not her fault.

The Hyde Amendment is NOT a good law, but it IS the law and has been since 1976. It says that Roe vs. Wade may make abortion legal, but the federal government doesn't have to pay for the procedure. That, in essence, is all.

The Capps Amendment says, in essence, So Be It.

Stupak's deal with Obama, as I understand it, will say, So Be It. What Stupak wanted was to make abortion impossible to get. What he got was the status quo.

No matter how much the Repubs lie about it, the HCR bill does not open the floodgates to the federal government paying for abortions. The big, huge, compromise that everyone Left and Right is screeching about: is to let the 1976 law stand.

Hekate

[paulsby]

16. excellent and informative and TRUTHFUL post

good on obama and i appreciate the analysis

[4lbs]

17. True. All Stupak got was an Executive Order (a temporary one at that) that essentially says Hyde

was passed in 1976.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

11. "Unreal"? No, more like, "as usual".

[FrenchieCat]

15. Actually what happened today was unusual.....

even to the most jaded, if they'd open their eyes and see reality,
the media that we must deal with, and understand what Pres. Obama
had to do with hostility coming from all sides.

[still_one]

12. no it isn't. They got the bill passed, and now there is a potential to improve the bill /nt